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BLOCK! Waiting on confirm....
@crypto_curious
1) you seem to be confused, somehow, by the fact that 2 places you can get information.
does this confusion also apply when you go to fuel your vehicle and you have options as to where you can purchase your fuel?
2) The information on my page and the work page are the exact same information; when you go to my page, it literally gets the information from the work page (so, it can't be different from the work page).
3) You don't have to go to my page, ever; it's merely a work in progress that I started creating to maybe help some folks.
4) My frustration with you comes from the fact that you say 1 thing now and another thing later.
At the time I posted.
...
There you, literally said you looked at the information after we found a block and we haven't found another block since then; however, now you're saying:
I'm not sure what it is that you expect when you can't communicate what actually happened to/for/with you in a way that tells the same story twice....
1) you seem to be confused, somehow, by the fact that 2 places you can get information.
does this confusion also apply when you go to fuel your vehicle and you have options as to where you can purchase your fuel?
2) The information on my page and the work page are the exact same information; when you go to my page, it literally gets the information from the work page (so, it can't be different from the work page).
3) You don't have to go to my page, ever; it's merely a work in progress that I started creating to maybe help some folks.
4) My frustration with you comes from the fact that you say 1 thing now and another thing later.
...Can someone clarify?
Did you copy that before we hit the block or at the time you posted?...
...before block, I've checked that and I thought I am gonna get something from next block. And bang, block happened...
I'm not sure what it is that you expect when you can't communicate what actually happened to/for/with you in a way that tells the same story twice....
...[stuff]....
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
Point in fact, if you don't like the web page(s) that your fellow miner and/or the 0-fee pool op wrote for free (out of the kindness of their hearts), you can always sit down and write a better one on your own time....That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
EDIT:
...Right now, I need to check two places before I know if I am getting anything and if so, how much...
You, literally, quoted a single place (1 less than 2) to go which gives you "if I am getting anything and if so, how much"....Edit 2:
...I've seen stats and info there, you getting xx amount in next block. And I didn't.....
You didn't, because we haven't hit that next block yet. No matter how I code a page, I can't make it prepay you for a block we haven't found!You still don't understand. There is two places to check:
http://ckpool.org/#/user or www.yourcomputergenie.com/?address=yourbtcaddress
...To check how much you getting in the block.
Last time, before block, I've checked that and I thought I am gonna get something from next block. And bang, block happened, but I've just learned that these stats are nothing without stuff below:
http://ckpool.org/#/work
To see if your address is on Payment or Postponed list. If you postponed, then first link doesn't matter, you not getting anything.
That's what every small miner have to do. Literally.
And I am not blaming anyone, or I am not requesting anything. I've asked how this work because I didn't know, don't say on me "write better interface if you don't like it", please.
EDIT: Maybe I sound hostile, but believe me I love this pool and I will stay there no matter what. Sometimes I just like to understand a little bit more what's under the hood and how to interpret what I see there. Thanks everyone for being here, including you!
The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.
Any plans to fix this?The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.
Any plans to fix this?Probably not worth CK's time and effort since the pool is not regularly like this, and 12000 miners is also quite an abnormal amount, so unless it becomes a regular occurrence and issue it''s not worth it.
The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.
Any plans to fix this?
I hope all realize my comments questions for my learning curve. I have consistently shown appreciation to the creators here. Luck is what it is. If you don't like one craps table you move to another because you think that one will be luckier. And look at the bright side. We will hit a block by tomorrow noon time. (I'll tell you the time zone after we hit)
...[stuff]....
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
Point in fact, if you don't like the web page(s) that your fellow miner and/or the 0-fee pool op wrote for free (out of the kindness of their hearts), you can always sit down and write a better one on your own time....That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
Or mine solo on your own node. ckpool seems to attract people who really get the payout system, or it just really hard to grab at first. The point is the pool discourages hoppers, rewards you for every share submitted. Just takes time to ramp up to earn it and being a smaller pool time to find a block. Who knows maybe we'll double up like in March.
One block quickly can change our luck % pretty heavily. We've already gone through a slow point in April and with the added hash we're really moving now. 140 PH currently is like 600% increase to pool in the last 10 days or so (from 20-30ish?). Those who have been around it should seem to come quickly those just getting here may find it hard to bare the wait. We did shave a rough 15 day block expectation to 9 or 10 days with the growth in pool. If we lose another 2-3 days of wait now that's exceptional. We'll see how the math gods treat us.
Also before we get a worked up, remember this is a free pool. Any work done here is on the time of people not getting paid to do so. If you're not clear on how the pool works, I would read the home page and read through the thread, catch up and start conversation.
I'm a novice but I look at the work page to see if i'm in payment and check my user stats periodically. This isn't designed to be a pool to page watch, and refresh a lot. Your miners will take time to ramp up, but your still stacking herp for the block, as catch up to the pool in derp. I feel it's only a poor experience if you choose it to be, everyone here is pretty cool.
Also before we get a worked up, remember this is a free pool. Any work done here is on the time of people not getting paid to do so. If you're not clear on how the pool works, I would read the home page and read through the thread, catch up and start conversation.
I'm a novice but I look at the work page to see if i'm in payment and check my user stats periodically. This isn't designed to be a pool to page watch, and refresh a lot. Your miners will take time to ramp up, but your still stacking herp for the block, as catch up to the pool in derp. I feel it's only a poor experience if you choose it to be, everyone here is pretty cool.
...[stuff]....
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
Point in fact, if you don't like the web page(s) that your fellow miner and/or the 0-fee pool op wrote for free (out of the kindness of their hearts), you can always sit down and write a better one on your own time....That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
EDIT:
...Right now, I need to check two places before I know if I am getting anything and if so, how much...
You, literally, quoted a single place (1 less than 2) to go which gives you "if I am getting anything and if so, how much"....Edit 2:
...I've seen stats and info there, you getting xx amount in next block. And I didn't.....
You didn't, because we haven't hit that next block yet. No matter how I code a page, I can't make it prepay you for a block we haven't found! ...So I am getting payouts or not?
EDIT:
Is there any "normal" way to tell if I am getting block or I am "postponed"?
EDIT:
Is there any "normal" way to tell if I am getting block or I am "postponed"?
I'm not sure why you keep trying to confuse yourself.
Don't blame it on me. I am just asking, I've seen stats and info there, you getting xx amount in next block. And I didn't. So why I would not expect that this is true?
You expect every new user to know that?
http://ckpool.org/pool/pool.work is the current, up to the minute, JSON data showing the result if we hit a block at that instant.
The page you're looking at on my site uses that exact data.
While the behind-the-scenes math is complex, the concept isn't:
Payouts = payouts
Postponed = postponed
If the JSON says that you're getting paid this block, then you'll get paid this block.
If the JSON says that you're postponed, then you'll get paid in a future block.
The page you're looking at on my site uses that exact data.
While the behind-the-scenes math is complex, the concept isn't:
Payouts = payouts
Postponed = postponed
If the JSON says that you're getting paid this block, then you'll get paid this block.
If the JSON says that you're postponed, then you'll get paid in a future block.
That's not very efficient way to show people this.
Your website and ckpool user stats page could say just POSTPONED or TO BE PAID NEXT and that's all.
If you postponed then you not getting anything. Right now, I need to check two places before I know if I am getting anything and if so, how much.
That's not very friendly user experience, that's all.
If you really want to get technical, the solve rate divisor is actually +1 (due to the "1st" block actually being 2 blocks that were both under 87% during beta).
Funny that no one complained about luck for the block we hit at 30% of expected or the one at 1.5%
Funny that no one complained about luck for the block we hit at 30% of expected or the one at 1.5%
Block history and luck calc for last 11 blocks..
"solvedby": "16sx9rJR7sDaKEB4xjHnh8Cw2Ci2mwh747",
"date": "[2017-08-23 22:20:04.530]",
"hash": "0000000000000000006c864f63c6dd1cde29e5c8c4ebd83842fe73e48f4cde44",
"shares": 1487715179304,
"diff": 161.1
"solvedby": "1AnJHGLmBBhwxTmn8avcZ9FANUpq84Aczq",
"date": "[2017-11-29 15:32:45.652]",
"hash": "000000000000000000309e873222d84629415a8eae2d7b529712a4d6ecf26d36",
"shares": 1800836757564,
"diff": 133.7
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2017-12-15 04:11:23.923]",
"hash": "000000000000000000a0737d974dbfd5a6120d91fe256615649dfc8ee8f18e20",
"shares": 476881139919,
"diff": 30.0
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-01-05 10:34:09.327]",
"hash": "0000000000000000003fe07d5b83f59499f7f721da189ac72437c810cd875292",
"shares": 1767395279946,
"diff": 91.5
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-02-05 04:14:42.773]",
"hash": "00000000000000000033fd87f33609b610b3b40cbb20efa9f1d7928e2c74b297",
"shares": 4136479626498,
"diff": 158.9
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-02-28 10:45:40.533]",
"hash": "0000000000000000003c68ad7520b43c603d08b8cc8331e9f74f8769e50e0a84",
"shares": 3032753464239,
"diff": 100.8
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-03-23 14:40:44.491]",
"hash": "0000000000000000004f15b4abe9afa430e86eec4e196f627224be38ccd87429",
"shares": 2981849120885,
"diff": 86.1
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-03-23 21:12:31.381]",
"hash": "000000000000000000261befb3ede7d027f7106351b3b1525c98b95be53360ea",
"shares": 50439837910,
"diff": 1.5
"solvedby": "36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V",
"date": "[2018-05-08 07:46:33.659]",
"hash": "0000000000000000002c6c217565f1d33df67d201128e28f62a047fefc785b27",
"shares": 7867268328933,
"diff": 195.6
"solvedby": "1MQqTCv74JL2TFfULftX4JXHBG7x4Yfw9X",
"date": "[2018-05-27 16:43:29.403]",
"hash": "000000000000000000331f064a0ba7a67fb632d3b24e2a887a6a41cd57a3f2f4",
"shares": 7384339022492,
"diff": 171.5
"solvedby": "36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V",
"date": "[2018-06-06 23:50:17.245]",
"hash": "00000000000000000034e477d4983726e157ae232a9b4913633e28cde0a384ec",
"shares": 8962945899752,
"diff": 181.4
Diffs sum to 1312.1 / 11 blocks = Avg. of 119.28/block (ignoring network diff increases) OUCH!!!
"solvedby": "16sx9rJR7sDaKEB4xjHnh8Cw2Ci2mwh747",
"date": "[2017-08-23 22:20:04.530]",
"hash": "0000000000000000006c864f63c6dd1cde29e5c8c4ebd83842fe73e48f4cde44",
"shares": 1487715179304,
"diff": 161.1
"solvedby": "1AnJHGLmBBhwxTmn8avcZ9FANUpq84Aczq",
"date": "[2017-11-29 15:32:45.652]",
"hash": "000000000000000000309e873222d84629415a8eae2d7b529712a4d6ecf26d36",
"shares": 1800836757564,
"diff": 133.7
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2017-12-15 04:11:23.923]",
"hash": "000000000000000000a0737d974dbfd5a6120d91fe256615649dfc8ee8f18e20",
"shares": 476881139919,
"diff": 30.0
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-01-05 10:34:09.327]",
"hash": "0000000000000000003fe07d5b83f59499f7f721da189ac72437c810cd875292",
"shares": 1767395279946,
"diff": 91.5
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-02-05 04:14:42.773]",
"hash": "00000000000000000033fd87f33609b610b3b40cbb20efa9f1d7928e2c74b297",
"shares": 4136479626498,
"diff": 158.9
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-02-28 10:45:40.533]",
"hash": "0000000000000000003c68ad7520b43c603d08b8cc8331e9f74f8769e50e0a84",
"shares": 3032753464239,
"diff": 100.8
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-03-23 14:40:44.491]",
"hash": "0000000000000000004f15b4abe9afa430e86eec4e196f627224be38ccd87429",
"shares": 2981849120885,
"diff": 86.1
"solvedby": "1EcH7pHYTHLo3cbdXfkf6e6Zh5JzCPGumc",
"date": "[2018-03-23 21:12:31.381]",
"hash": "000000000000000000261befb3ede7d027f7106351b3b1525c98b95be53360ea",
"shares": 50439837910,
"diff": 1.5
"solvedby": "36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V",
"date": "[2018-05-08 07:46:33.659]",
"hash": "0000000000000000002c6c217565f1d33df67d201128e28f62a047fefc785b27",
"shares": 7867268328933,
"diff": 195.6
"solvedby": "1MQqTCv74JL2TFfULftX4JXHBG7x4Yfw9X",
"date": "[2018-05-27 16:43:29.403]",
"hash": "000000000000000000331f064a0ba7a67fb632d3b24e2a887a6a41cd57a3f2f4",
"shares": 7384339022492,
"diff": 171.5
"solvedby": "36JMs8rogpizjkkp6eeKMmm3SLbSNo5H9V",
"date": "[2018-06-06 23:50:17.245]",
"hash": "00000000000000000034e477d4983726e157ae232a9b4913633e28cde0a384ec",
"shares": 8962945899752,
"diff": 181.4
Diffs sum to 1312.1 / 11 blocks = Avg. of 119.28/block (ignoring network diff increases) OUCH!!!
So basically the last 3 blocks add to 548.5
first 8 we were 765.1/8 = 95.637
these last 3 are 182.83
brings us up to 119.28
but these are very small samples of blocks.
no cause for worry.
pop a few 25 blocks and back on track
1 hash = 1 hash
Unlike the scenario you present, hashes have no "stay with my 1st choice" option; every hash is nothing more than a random guess with new nonce and work being regularly distributed. You can't apply the math of a static run of trying to find 1 block with no outside forces (and an unlimited time span) and expect it to apply in active practice.
You line of thinking is akin to buying apples and oranges to see if grapes taste like bananas.
Got it. Thanks. Unlike the scenario you present, hashes have no "stay with my 1st choice" option; every hash is nothing more than a random guess with new nonce and work being regularly distributed. You can't apply the math of a static run of trying to find 1 block with no outside forces (and an unlimited time span) and expect it to apply in active practice.
You line of thinking is akin to buying apples and oranges to see if grapes taste like bananas.
1 hash = 1 hash
Unlike the scenario you present, hashes have no "stay with my 1st choice" option; every hash is nothing more than a random guess with new nonce and work being regularly distributed. You can't apply the math of a static run of trying to find 1 block with no outside forces (and an unlimited time span) and expect it to apply in active practice.
You line of thinking is akin to buying apples and oranges to see if grapes taste like bananas.
Unlike the scenario you present, hashes have no "stay with my 1st choice" option; every hash is nothing more than a random guess with new nonce and work being regularly distributed. You can't apply the math of a static run of trying to find 1 block with no outside forces (and an unlimited time span) and expect it to apply in active practice.
You line of thinking is akin to buying apples and oranges to see if grapes taste like bananas.
Are you able to discern if these 12000 miners are the same or are they rotated out w new ones after x number of hours of burn in? If rotated any idea of the time frame for the rotation of each miner? Thanks!
From a pool standpoint, who cares? What is the pool difference you imagine there would be if 100PH was made up of 12000 chips, 12000 units, or 120000 units swapped out 10 times in batches of 12000?
Are you able to discern if these 12000 miners are the same or are they rotated out w new ones after x number of hours of burn in? If rotated any idea of the time frame for the rotation of each miner? Thanks!
From a pool standpoint, who cares? What is the pool difference you imagine there would be if 100PH was made up of 12000 chips, 12000 units, or 120000 units swapped out 10 times in batches of 12000?
Are you able to discern if these 12000 miners are the same or are they rotated out w new ones after x number of hours of burn in? If rotated any idea of the time frame for the rotation of each miner? Thanks!
I can't. The rate of connection and disconnection is high and most of them are mining to the same workername. What's up with the stats page?
for 6 hours we are +160 P but active users reports only about 60 P
Share rate certainly seems to confirm we are indeed over 160P
everyone's derp is taking a beating (well not the top dog/whale of course)
Strange
The stats for the main miner are off because they have 12000 miners which the hashmeter can no longer measure accurately and is only showing 52ph.for 6 hours we are +160 P but active users reports only about 60 P
Share rate certainly seems to confirm we are indeed over 160P
everyone's derp is taking a beating (well not the top dog/whale of course)
Strange
Oh darn..I was hoping some mysterious benevolent entity was just being generous and mining without a payout address.
But of course the derp's say otherwise
So they are literally off the charts...cool....
Now if they could just find a few blocks and help us out of our bad luck slump.
Pretty much. It's a bit of a slump but we don't have that many blocks so it wouldn't take much to bring us back in line. At least I know I can trust the drivers that run on them since, well, they're mine. But of course the derp's say otherwise
So they are literally off the charts...cool....
Now if they could just find a few blocks and help us out of our bad luck slump.
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