Topic: CLEAR guide to red trust for EXTORTION and BLACKMAIL according to DT members. (Read 612 times)

You seem a reasonable person and we have no current issue with you specifically nor some of the other DT members. Other than we consider them to be putting their own self preservation above the greater good of the forum.

Whilst we appreciate not openly supporting the CLEAR and UNDENIABLE double standards employed to punish whistle blowers and discourage the truth being widely known, could be claimed as NON SUPPORT

We feel that it is the responsibility of DT members when made AWARE of scamming or double standards to do all in their power to thwart such actions. DT can ONLY FUNCTION with any value at all if people do as they independently feel is correct. So unless they are countering the red tags and excluding the scammers/trust abusers.....well

If a DT were provided with undeniable evidence of scamming and refuse to put red on the scammers account just because they were a fellow DT. Then clearly that is willful endangerment of the rest of the honest  members here.  Same for CLEAR double standards. Therefore BOTH DT members are unsuitable and untrustworthy to some degree and certainly not suitable for DT which  requires strength, honesty and a willingness to become a target.

DT members trying to cast off undeniable evidence of

1. scamming
2. trust abuse
3. Willful and deliberate scam facilitating
4. Double standards

as simply board politics are simple saying. We are too afraid for our own skins to do the right thing.

Rather than say that (which although true is kind of a bit too strong of a punishment for weak people rather than the direct scammers) we will just say they agree.

If they are including those they KNOW are undeniably pushing double standards and scamming other members on to DT. Then they surely can not be permitted to claim they do NOT agree with those deeds.

The only way we would accept their claims they do not agree, is if they clearly state we do not agree but we are too afraid to stand against those pushing double standards and scamming people because they will likely target us next.


Don't take this as a person attack upon you. It is our opinion of ANY DT member that is made well aware of observable independently verifiable instances of scamming, double standards, trust abuse and tries to avoid tackling it under the " don't want to get involved in board politics."

Some suggested edits for your OP, so you can maintain your "FACT BASED" qualifications... otherwise, please provide proof that I have agreed with any of those scenarios.

NOTE: Just to clarify, I believe that the fact that I haven't made any statements in support, nor condemnation, with regards to any of the above "scenarios" is not proof of either on my behalf. I just dislike the fact that you're generalising and tarring everyone with the same brush. Even the "Switzerland" (apathetic?) DT members who don't really care for forum politics because #reasons.

Can I have more threads? But make sure to include my name in the title please next time, that gives me even more fame. Thank you so much for this!

NO because this is a CLEAR guide to blackmail and extortion as defined by DT members for the red trusting of NON DT members.

More examples will be added as they come up.

So in future when people are looking for a guide to see how they (NON DT MEMBERS) are allowed to proceed to if people steal their phone, their btc or are battling against LIES and false accusations, trust abuse or any other thing that happens to them. They will be able to read and judge for themselves their best course of action.

Also this thread is going to be dynamic so IF some DT members say HELL NO alice can tell bob to give back her phone or she will call the cops and anyone casting alice as a blackmailer and extortionist and tries to punish her THEN I WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Then that can be added to the guide.

Now stop being a scammer supporter, double standards excuse provider and generally trying to silence those that want transparent fair rules applied equally to all members. Because if you do not..... READY FOR SOME EXTORTION AND BLACKMAIL ohhhhhhhhh .... then we will be correcting you in public and pointing out every time you do so (when it is on topic relevant and net positive).

Yes in our opinion a member can say to someone that is doing something clearly wrong, stop doing that or else we will voice our opinions that it is wrong and provide observable instances and corroborating evidence to substantiate that opinion. If that is blackmail and extortion for 1 member it must be blackmail and extortion for ALL MEMBERS.

It is NOT trolling'
It is NOT mentally ill
It is not blackmail
It is not extortion.
It is not something you ban people for
It is not something you punish people for.

It is the behavior of people that want transparent and fair standards for all members.

If you can not debunk their central points or demonstrate their opinion is incorrect .....then tough shit if it does not fit with what you want to be (known as) the truth.

Also not to be conflated with I am claiming betking is in the right. He should be paying people any and all monies owed (in our personal opinion) under pressure from any legal means permitted. This is not the point. We believe BOB should be forced to return alices phone by any legal means permitted. This is all irrelevant for the purposes of this thread though. That is for the betking thread. If he owes people money then he should be paying that out to them no question of that.

We need to sort out the double standards FIRST, get the transparent rules that are equally applied to all members. Then all the REAL good guys can get on the same side. Those out for themselves only will soon become visible.

Shouldn't it be in reputation then?

@twitchy

ALL OF THAT IS IRRELEVANT for the PURPOSES of this thread. Not interested in your " opinions" of what tman will do once extorting/blackmailing his 650bucks he got for 1 satoshi.

It does not matter if your ACTIONS are for the greater good ACCORDING TO TMAN, LAUDA, YOGG and the other scum bags here.

Please stop conflating this thread with some other thread about " what tman is going to do with the money after he extorts it (by his own standards) from the alleged debtor.

The point is for the slower members here

1. THE DEFINITION OF BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION pertaining to giving members RED TRUST FOR IT.

Have you got that now??


If ALICE is clearly guilty of extortion/blackmail and can be given red trust for telling bob ( who has just grabbed her phone and is now walking away with it) that if he does not return it she will report him to the police.



Their own standards.

Then TMAN is clearly guilty of blackmail/extortion.

This is about the DOUBLE STANDARDS employed by DT members here when certain behaviors SUIT THEIR OWN FINANCIAL GAIN or their own purposes.

How much clearer can I make this??

The problem is if you allow DT members to WEAPONIZE the trust system to PUNISH other members for deeds they themselves commit but do NOT get punished. You are permitting a 2 tier system to flourish.

Which part are you all having issue understanding??

Other than that. NOT THAT IS IS RELEVANT

Making far more serious threats than " encouraging others to review a members public post history" doxing plus other implied threats that could endanger the members life.

Making a STRANGE deal where apparently he withhold the DOX from investigators if he gets paid?? or what the fuck else is the point of saying to the alleged debtor I will reveal your dox if you do NOT pay me 650 bucks for a 1 satoshi loan I just bought?

I don't see TMAN saying he will give loyce the 650 bucks  NOT THAT IT MATTERS.

So if there are any points you are not clear on speak up but stop cluttering and derailing my threat by conflating DOUBLE STANDARDS with  specific legalities you "believe" are relevant to certain countries , and if you believe TMans is going to give the money to loyce anyway.

Transparent Rules that are applied equally to all members  - have you got that now??

No point saying to people that are being punished by the CLEAR double standards, double standards that are permitting undeniable scammers and scammer supporters to punish other honest members whilst creaming off the top rev streams from themselves..... WELL DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT.... just live to your own standards??

No thanks. I will make sure the SAME standards are applied equally to ALL members.


Double standards = scamming.

Double standards WILL BE highlighted and constantly repeated when and where they are on topic and relevant. No ignoring , enduring, putting up with or accepting. NONE.

I haven't been following the drama surrounding your dispute with these people, so I don't know if this is extortion by their standards or not. With that being said, a lot of people are hypocrites, so I would get over it. You should judge people by your own standards, not anyone else’s.

I would also tend to agree with TwitchySeal below that the thread in question was a bunch of shit talking.

I believe Dean had said that he would not disclose his new project to anyone, so I would guess his defaulting on other debts will not impact his ability to start his new project, if one really exists. I am disappointed that certain users were fanning the flames of the drama in this case, and others recently, but there is little I can do about that.

As I have previously stated, it is in any potential creditors' best interest to retain a lawyer ASAP to discuss a possible lawsuit against Dean to enforce any alleged debts (I only use the word alleged because Dean has disputed the existence of debts), and recover money out of his assets.

Some other relevant facts:

- Betking owes a shitload to a lot of people and it's been almost a year now since the money went missing.
- He's been trying to convince people to stop calling him a scammer so that he can start a new project and pay everyone back...lol
- It's basically devolved into a bunch of shit talking, TMAN wasn't even trying to make any money he even said if he got paid he'd just give it to LoyceV in exchange for the one satoshi.  He's just trying to get a piece of shit to pay his debts or fuck off instead of trying to run another scam.
(check out his trust, if you know RHaver, and you see his feedback, you will understand)

From same thread:

Where as telling some one who is accusing you of being a liar who refuses to provide any evidence that if they continue to do so you will encourage others to review their post history to find out the truth for themselves  IS LEGALLY blackmail and extortion you say??

His actions.. by his, laudas and yoggs OWN STANDARDS and definition is  clearly extortion and blackmail.

Offering the dox does not seem to be the only implied or clear threat either.

EITHER WAY by their own standards (yoggs, laudas tmans standards are stated as making ANY threat to induce a certain action) is blackmail and extortion.

I think you are missing the point. THEY ARE IMPOSING DOUBLE STANDARDS regardless of the legal standing in whatever country.
You did notice I said ACCORDING TO DT MEMBERS in the thread title right? not some specific countries laws?

I question (not deny) your legal advice anyway. I find it hard to believe that you can threaten action that you certainly are aware could be placing a persons life in danger in order to force them to hand money over to you that you " allegedly " are owed. Wonder what would happen if that information being presented led to them being killed. Besides I don't think if you read the OTHER wording in red that the threats end there.

Also the entire ethos of this seems HIGHLY questionable. I mean what is the threat?? he will NOT give the other members the dox if HE is paid out only?? LOL nice

Well done though, for actually posting something of some questionable value and being somewhat ontopic and relevant if even if you are missing the point completely. DOUBLE STANDARDS. I'm not sure we need to have things LEGALLY 100% correct so long as the SAME standards are held to all members. Although if everyone is happy to only have punishment only allocated on a basis of one countries LAWS that is fine by us too.

Broadly speaking, it is not illegal to demand (or ask for) money that you are duly owed. TMAN might have violated debt collection laws in his posts depending on where both he and BetKing are located, and other factors; if this is the case, I would consider it to be a process crime.

I don't condone how TMAN went about trying to collect the debt he purchased, and above all I think it was immature and intended to create drama, but I don't think it would meet the legal threshold of being blackmail or extortion.

Elsewhere in the thread you are quoting, TMAN had purchased alleged debt owed by the person he was asking to pay. Even if the debt was invalid, I believe in this case that TMAN believed in good faith the debt to be valid, and BetKing did not dispute the debt to TMAN prior to TMAN making any of those statements.

Adderall or Meth?

Not this time. I'm afraid I'm fresh out of fucks.

YES we read it and NO it did not at all occur to us that you were trying to help us.

1. YOU are LYING and stating WE STARTED ATTACKING PEOPLE

that is a LIE. I just told you Lauda started attacking CH FIRST calling him a liar then when CH said present the lies Lauda refused and just repeated it over and over. Then CH said he would encourage people to review laudas post history to see who was a liar.

that does not even take into account the FACT suchmoron and that other DT goons started attacking CH and trying to get him banned for pointing out MERIT was a pile of subjective, meaningless, cycled, abused and dangerous garbage.

So NO I don't consider casting us in a NEGATIVE light and making up LIES that we were attacking people as you trying to HELP.

Now stick to debating the central points listed in the initial post.


@VLOM

Yes, we believe it is still possible to fight for a transparent set of rules that are applied FAIRLY and EQUALLY to all members. We will not tolerate a 2 tier system.

You are correct the systems of control that theymos has designed have completely transformed this place into a replica of the central banking system with the merits being issued by a tiny handful who collude together to control every aspect of this forum resulting in them and their pals alone taking over all the best rev streams here.

There can be no denial of this, there has been NO attempt to even rebut this because it is impossible to do so.

Just allowing the merit cancer to creep over the entire board (going primarily to those ONLY the DT/merit colluding scum believe will fall inline with them and support the status quo they have engineered) now even creeping into the MERIT VOLUME button for the rest of the forum is terrible to watch.

Secretly theymos can see this is a total cluster fuck and every single thing we say is impossible to deny hence why he will not ever dare enter into debate over the mechanisms and their clear implications.

I mean what other system would Enable, sanction, reward, and entrench a bunch of some of the worst long term scammers, extortionists, willing scam facilitators, with multiple counts of undeniable financially motivated wrong doing to grasp the positions of TRUST and POWER/INFLUENCE (merit) and allow them to use this to PUNISH those long term honest members that have ZERO instances of financially motivated wrong doing, always pushed of the fairest distributions of projects , fought the largest of scams ( supported by these same scum bag dts) fought the largest scammers ................PUNISH them for whistle blowing on the worst long term scammers and financially dangerous scum here.

Theymos then even seeks to help these worst long term scammers have their red trust removed ( to keep the peace apparently)  whilst claiming the most honest members here have spread lies and are CRAZY and obviously INSANE  for getting pissed off that he has developed a system that allows scammers to punish honest members for whistle blowing on them. LOL

It is good that he is starting to see these scum for what they really are. WAKEY WAKEY theymos get these double standards pushing scammers well away from merit/trust and any other positions they can leverage for their own financial gain. They only kiss up to you whilst they are using you as their useful idiot to raise the merit to 250 and things are going their way, watch them stab you in the back and start being far less servile once you start to introduce some fair transparent standards ALL members must be measured against.


I mean just look at this single issue here. ALICE who has her phone snatched by BOB. Alice telling bob to return her property or she will report this to the police is a BLACKMAILER AND EXTORTIONIST according to ALL OF DT. Not one say NO of course BOB is a thieving scumbag piece of shit and alice is well within her right to say that and certainly should report it. NO DT says she is a blackmailer.

TMan comes to a thread where people are meant to be forming a LEGAL combined effort to get their funds returned to them. He then starts buying the debts for 1 satoshi and threatening the debtor with doxing and all other manner of threatening shit and " scary words" ohhh... to get his $650 bucks

The same people STEAMTYME who is calling alice a blackmailer/extortionist is defending his mutal dt include and merit cycling pals actions say not blackmail/not extortion nothing wrong at all here. It is a good thing he is doing? oh really??

The double standards are sickening.

We will keep pointing them out where we like when the fuck we like. If the DT members don't like it. TOUGH SHIT scumbags.

If the systems of control want to enable, reward and empower scammers to punish honest members then they will need to be pulled up on every instance of clear double standards we notice.

Start debunking our central points or just remain our bitches to slap around whenever we feel like it.

OR

Start living up to the SAME STANDARDS you want to hold everyone else to.

No good deed goes unpunished.   

He's been ranting so long about the same things, turning everyone into a hostile.

That's exactly what you deserve for that.

the most interesting parts of this topic are the posts that have not been made.

are you afraid to post here people? are you afraid that anybody will think that you have the same opinion like the OP?

the postings from TMAN quotet in this topic sound like blackmailing. if they are out of context here is an other question / history. and i wont read more about it in other topics.

and anybody that is writing something about what I should have done / or did instead about what i wrote here is trying to  sweep something under the carpet.

@OP:
If you are fighting for a better forum then stop it. It wont be possible. There are too many users that earn too much money here. This forum is nothing more than a copy of the capitalist society.

If you are trying to have a fight with TMAN than fight somewhere else. Because the forum wont be better if you do it here.

 

Did you even bother reading what I wrote?  Not just glancing over it, actually reading it?  Did it occur to you that I was trying to help you? 

There is no other strategy required. Present observable instances of clear double standards , scamming etc by DT members is all that is required.

WRONG it was their initial attacks as stated - stop playing fucking dumb.

Their initial attacks, lies and trust abuse. Undeniable.

Red marks ...oh no.  

You have demonstrated you are a total asslicking dreg that will say anything to spam chipmixer. Got it idiot.

NOW THEN rather than just SAY THINGS that pop into your servile assfeltching mind that are clearly bullshit when investigated. SAY THINGS AND CORROBORATE THEM WITH OBSERVABLE INSTANCES. Then they may have some value.

Bring evidence.

However, stick to the ON TOPIC AND RELEVANT points made in the initial post. Stop derailing with bullshit you just make up

WATCH THIS

Bring one central point we have made about your PALS who you mutually include on dt and cycle merits with or about the systems of control that has been conclusively debunked. I await your reply.

No more " the opposite of facts " from you burger flipper lol.... that is likely where SS got the idea from.

Have you not got some poor people to fleece with you loan shark rates?? what a scum bag.

All sounds like a lot of false excuses to AVOID debating the points clearly made in the  initial post.

DERAILING.

@cryptohunter,
No one wants to debate someone who can't adhere to reality.  You continue to beat these dead horses with the only stick you own; the "DT did this to MEEEE" stick.  The thing is, if you had any rational arguments people might actually listen, but all you do is attack people to satisfy your own personal vendetta.  A vendetta that stems from you initially attacking people, and their subsequent retaliation.  If you ever had an argument that could have been used to gain support for your cause, you've squandered it by your continued slander, ad hominem attacks, and an inability to see the other side of the story.  

Sometimes our perception of the facts causes us to mistake the reality of a particular situation.  If you want a debate you must be willing to allow your mind to be changed, and accept that you may be mistaken.  That's how debates work.  I'm not immune from misinterpreting facts myself, but the difference is that I'm willing to acknowledge when I'm wrong.  You have demonstrated your inability to step away from the situation and take a look at it without bias, without making it personal.  

You've been on this crusade for well over a year a now, and haven't accomplished anything other than having your accounts painted red by those you continue to attack.  Don't you think it may be time for another strategy?