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Quote from: JollyGood on August 10, 2022, 06:12:46 AM

After looking at how several cliques and trolls manipulate the system to suit their own agenda

May be we can have a game and can pass it to others. Then JollyGood will eventually open the box with the users he considers cliques and trolls.

I propose these cliques and trolls are BitcoinGirl.Club, NeuroticFish, tranthidung, LoyceV, Poker Player, dragonvslinux, DireWolfM14, dkbit98, The Pharmacist.

PS: I am not calling out anyone please don't take it that way. You are free to guess the cliques and trolls.

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Quote from: icopress on August 09, 2022, 06:45:20 PM

I did the same a week ago. Tongue

This might be something worth considering as there is a method to the madness

Quote from: eddie13 on August 09, 2022, 09:24:42 PM

I did the same thing like a year ago, with the low priority intention to eventually rebuild my inclusions list, but yet haven’t..

You must have been one of the first to have a total clear out of the list. I recall one other member doing so a couple of years ago.

Will you ever get round to rebuilding it or has the current state of play at how badly the system is broken keeping it a low priority?

Quote from: PaperWallet on August 10, 2022, 02:08:38 AM

But I didn't understand, could any of the people who participated here clarify a bit more, since drama was talked about: as an example, do you consider JollyGood to be the problem on DT1 or Royse777? Because one is tagging the other for scamming, and the other is accusing the first of abusing the trust system. So you can't say both, because Royse777 is either a scammer or he isn't. You can't just say "well, let's stay neutral and forget about it, nothing to see here".

Everybody is expressing their views and each has their own reasons for doing so.

Quote from: PaperWallet on August 10, 2022, 02:08:38 AM

I just have the feeling though that the few voices left talking against and tagging scammers are about to get booted out from DT1.

I mentioned in a different thread the feedback, trust and merit system needs a complete overhaul.

After looking at how several cliques and trolls manipulate the system to suit their own agenda, it still clear it cannot continue as it currently does yet still be considered as an appropriate barometer because it quote clearly is not.

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 10, 2022, 02:37:30 AM

is to make it less "grandfathered" by giving newer users a chance to reach it too.

It still become less "grandfathered" and give chances to newer users. I am working to the dry run in my imagination. I will try to elaborate the idea in meta section once I am happy with it.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 10, 2022, 02:37:30 AM

my DT1-election ranking

Just clearing my understanding. These are the users who are eligible to be DT1 but not in the current DT1 list, in other words they are not the 100 users who are in DT1 in the running month's corn job.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 10, 2022, 02:37:30 AM

See if they have good trust ratings and good trust lists, and add them to your Trust list.

Yes but it's not stopping the abusers to use the loophole of the current DefautTrust system.

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Perhaps you can elaborate. I'll add a view: we're having too much belief in/counting too much on a forum trust system (a.k.a. users' reputations). Especially now that I've noticed more "I trust them, they trust me", "I trust them, they bust scams", , and various other feedbacks. Trust list (default lists/etc) have been played around with too much.

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Quote from: eddie13 on August 09, 2022, 09:24:42 PM

but I feel like I should be using my votes..

This is what I've been also thinking - right now I give a bit too much power to some. While I do trust their feedback (or at least I do in most cases), giving them certain power can harm (power corrupts).
Yet I didn't get to do anything (laziness and more), hence my trust list is unaffected for now. But maybe that will change. My initial plan was to just do some trimming here and there, but getting full cleanup looks appealing too.

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Quote from: Poker Player on August 10, 2022, 02:46:55 AM

What I see is that that list includes people who have asked theymos to be excluded from DT1.

Correct, I don't exclude those.

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Quote from: Poker Player on August 10, 2022, 02:46:55 AM

I think suchmoon asked to be excluded, and I also see tranthidung on the list, who asked recently as well.

No data tracking on it from any forum member (if I am not missing anything), but I can recall suchmoon, Hhampuz, me (of course, there are likely more cases).

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 10, 2022, 02:37:30 AM

See if they have good trust ratings and good trust lists, and add them to your Trust list.

What I see is that that list includes people who have asked theymos to be excluded from DT1. If I remember correctly, and my memory may be deceiving me, I think suchmoon asked to be excluded, and I also see tranthidung on the list, who asked recently as well.

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Quote from: examplens on August 09, 2022, 07:20:20 PM

you know that this will not change your status much, you will still be in the DT selection because, it sounds a bit strange, but others decide about it.

I don't think his motive was necessarily to get himself removed from DT but to protest against the system itself, which is a mockery of what it used to be prior to this rotating lunacy. That was a bad idea IMO, and honestly after reading this thread I'm thinking about doing exactly what Yahoo62278 did. I think the DT system sucks, and I already know whose feedback I trust (and if I'm not sure, I can always click on a member's trust profile) so I don't need to have a custom trust list or any list for that matter.

Props to you, Yahoo62278, for leading the revolution.

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Who the fuck are you?

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on August 10, 2022, 02:10:51 AM

(2) It requires more brainstorming. i.e. To be DT1 you must be in other DT1's (99) trust list either as added or as tilded (avoid not having them at all in your trust list). I can not think of how because every time Theymos run the corn job it add and remove new members but as I said with proper brainstorming it can be improved.

As far as I know, one of the reasons the DT1-requirements don't go up now that more and more users qualify, is to make it less "grandfathered" by giving newer users a chance to reach it too.
I can think of one way to improve the current system without involving theymos: check my DT1-election ranking, and scroll down to users who almost qualify. See if they have good trust ratings and good trust lists, and add them to your Trust list.

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Quote from: eddie13 on August 09, 2022, 09:24:42 PM

I don’t like to use its power anyway.. I much prefer to post convincing arguments that may influence others in the use of theirs Wink

DT was not supposed to be a power seeking position and considering it as your own property. Unfortunately some power seeking users are using it as a tool for them to silent others. They are using the loophole of the voting system. Even a post against their argument will earn you a tilde.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 10, 2022, 12:58:59 AM

but it's probably better to suggest how to improve it directly. Less DT1-members isn't going to change much, and requiring more inclusions for DT2 hasn't been implemented for years.

(1) Requiring more inclusions for DT2 should be a good start.
(2) It requires more brainstorming. i.e. To be DT1 you must be in other DT1's (99) trust list either as added or as tilded (avoid not having them at all in your trust list). I can not think of how because every time Theymos run the corn job it add and remove new members but as I said with proper brainstorming it can be improved.

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But I didn't understand, could any of the people who participated here clarify a bit more, since drama was talked about: as an example, do you consider JollyGood to be the problem on DT1 or Royse777? Because one is tagging the other for scamming, and the other is accusing the first of abusing the trust system. So you can't say both, because Royse777 is either a scammer or he isn't. You can't just say "well, let's stay neutral and forget about it, nothing to see here".

I just have the feeling though that the few voices left talking against and tagging scammers are about to get booted out from DT1.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on August 09, 2022, 06:41:39 PM

Considering what dkbit98 said about mass dropouts from DT is a good idea to create a new kind of drama.

It's worse than that: if the people who use the Trust system correctly drop out, that leaves the ones who shouldn't be on DT1. Maybe that does indeed force theymos to make changes, but it's probably better to suggest how to improve it directly. Less DT1-members isn't going to change much, and requiring more inclusions for DT2 hasn't been implemented for years. So like any democracy, as bad as it is, it's the best we can get.

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Quote from: owlcatz on August 09, 2022, 08:52:45 PM

If you want to get rid of the "drama" hassles of being on DT1, just PM theymos and he can blacklist you like he did for me.

theymos will complete it when he is online. Very fast and simple. Cheesy

Quote from: Little Mouse on August 09, 2022, 10:05:26 PM

Did you mean DT1 selection? It won’t because to be eligible for DT1, you must have built your custom trust list which will have 10 users included

Yes, it is prerequisite to be in DT1 selection list by theymos each month. After you have a call from theymos, whether you are in DT1 or not will depend on inclusion lists of other DT1 members.

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For DT1, theymos blacklist from the selection but DT2 isn't selection.

Therefore, if you are sure that you want to get out of DT1 forever, let send a request to theymos for blacklisting you from DT1 list. I could be wrong but maybe there is no case asked theymos to change from blacklist to whitelist (including into DT1 selection list) again. It's funny. I am doubtful that theymos will approve such get out - get in again request. Grin

If you just want to get out temporarily, do what yahoo62278 do (wipe out your DT inclusion list). You can customize it later and get in DT1 list later.

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Quote from: examplens on August 09, 2022, 07:20:20 PM

you know that this will not change your status much, you will still be in the DT selection because,

Did you mean DT1 selection? It won’t because to be eligible for DT1, you must have built your custom trust list which will have 10 users included (users in distrust list doesn’t count of course).

Quote from: owlcatz on August 09, 2022, 08:52:45 PM

Getting off DT2 is not so simple afaik.... Maybe theymos can blacklist someone from that as well, has anyone asked? Tongue

For DT1, theymos blacklist from the selection but DT2 isn't selection. DT1 decides. I doubt theymos would allow that even if it is possible to blacklist. I can't remember exactly but seems examplens shared it already. marlboroza tried to get out of DT2 but he couldn’t.

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I did the same thing like a year ago, with the low priority intention to eventually rebuild my inclusions list, but yet haven’t..

I don’t care if I’m on DT1 or not but I feel like I should be using my votes..
Laziness..

I do the ink the new DT system is better than the old..

What does it matter if it’s not prestigious?
Good.. That could be embarrassing..

I don’t like to use its power anyway.. I much prefer to post convincing arguments that may influence others in the use of theirs Wink

One doesn’t need to be on DT at all to accomplish that..

In fact, it’s likely much more powerful..
A newbie account even could post things insightful and convincing and easily many usages of others DT could result from it..

Yahoo, your word is much more powerful than a single DT1 position..

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Quote from: examplens on August 09, 2022, 07:20:20 PM

you know that this will not change your status much, you will still be in the DT selection because, it sounds a bit strange, but others decide about it. Others who keep you on their trust list.
If I remember correctly, marlboroza tried to get out of the DT circle and asked everyone to put him on the distrust list, I don't think that ever happened.

If you want to get rid of the "drama" hassles of being on DT1, just PM theymos and he can blacklist you like he did for me. I can tell you, I don't have to deal with a LOT of bs that I used to for whatever reason, as I don't always have the time to play the role I felt I needed to be for being on DT1 if that makes sense .... My life is much simpler here now. Exclude me if you like, I don't even bother to check anymore... I know my reputation speaks for itself, so wtf amirite? Huh

Getting off DT2 is not so simple afaik.... Maybe theymos can blacklist someone from that as well, has anyone asked? Tongue

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on August 09, 2022, 06:02:59 PM

I decided to take a bit of advice and clear my trust list. dkbit98 made a suggestion and while I do not think it would force theymos to do anything, I do think DT isn't really a prestigious position to hold any longer.

you know that this will not change your status much, you will still be in the DT selection because, it sounds a bit strange, but others decide about it. Others who keep you on their trust list.
If I remember correctly, marlboroza tried to get out of the DT circle and asked everyone to put him on the distrust list, I don't think that ever happened.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 09, 2022, 06:18:32 PM

Please, you do not have to do that.

Well he already did, it's not like you are going to change his mind with this Grin

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It is just like saying you have some people that you trusted before but you do not trust them again

Not true, it would be the case if he had put all the users he had trusted before into the distrust list. If I decided not to put anyone in my trust list, does that mean I don't trust anyone in the forum? Absolutely not.

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I did the same a week ago. Tongue

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I cannot but note that yahoo62278 showed himself in the best possible way in various areas where our common interests could intersect. I can't help but mention his independent mindset (even when it comes to forum dramas), which I think subtly highlights his lifestyle. Without a doubt, this is one of the few people for whom I am ready to vouch.

Now I attach even more importance to this feedback.

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