Topic: Cleobet: Another betb2b (1xbet/1xbit) clone - Flag to be supported - page 3. (Read 1453 times)

@Lauda quote really fits here

Take a deep breath and check again the post you just quoted. Pay attention to the archived post.

UPDATE:


tyKiwanuka is also controlled by efialtis.

You do not have to be a big expert to compare the way of writing/spelling for these 2 accounts.
And also wear the same avatar..

Current list:
efialtis, tyKiwanuka, Rikafip, Lauda are the same person. (or working together)
Jeremy Franklin is a prospective here.
And for sure there are more names linked to this person.

I think I will investigate some more and start a Topic about tis.
This way of low rated/unfundemental coorindated actions must be stopped.

To be continued for sure!

The next one who is defending efialtis, will be added on the list for sure.

Starting my own investigation. I find something really interesting. I will continue this investigation for sure, to proof


Ooops....


As can been seen, user Rikafip is trying to camouflage it (but not really on a smart way).
He is in public now making requests for buying accounts on this forum.

And he suddenly received merits from user efialtis. Merits for what?
I am sure efialtis is using more accounts on the forum (or working together with other people), by using more accounts.
efialtis and Rikafip are the same. And it would not surprise me if he owns dozens of other accounts!


And guess what:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54148869

Rikafip even is selling accounts in this topic!



Very interesting.. Rikafip  a person who is trading in accounts on bitcointalk, suddenly merited by by efialtis in this topic.
It would be better to start a topic around this "shady" business, than to try taking down a new sportsbook with no complaining customers.

This pic gives a different impression ("by 1xBet"):


Source: https://www.sbcnews.co.uk/sportsbook/2019/02/19/betb2b-brands-pass-1-million-daily-players/

And in the article it says:


And Kawbet confirmed that they are not in sole control of addresses (or at least the bitshares address):

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@Cleobet

It will be very hard for you and take a long time to prove your legitimacy (if you are), since all bookmakers/casinos face scam accusations on a regular basis. But you digged yourself a hole right from the start and you have to admit that everything points to your company/site being connected to 1xBet group in whatever way in the end.

And I am still waiting for some statement about that license/company thing, if possible If there is nothing to hide, you could just tell, how these Curacao licenses work and what role Thot Management BV is playing in this construct.

I support this flag. This case looks highly suspicious. We don't need more people falling for this bullsh*t.

He definitely has! When it comes to me, well, my life goal achieved --> "taking out" cleobet as they say... coordinated action! 

@Cleobet I wont bother responding any longer - several questions still unanswered and you keep insulting me - not that I care - says a lot though.

You have it all figured out. Big brain.

Come on guys, if you want to work together trying to take Cleobet.io out, do it less suspicious.
Now it is only visible that this is a coordinated action from efialtis.

I think Cleobet can go into the books for record, people trying to red flag it.. withou even 1 complaint from a customer!

Users on the forum should warn eachother regarding bookmakers, when customers are not get paid or face problems.
Not because the site looks "shady", acoording to the "team" of efialtis. People who are supporting the red flag without any reasons or proof.
It is also quite funny that we have to proof we have no connection to 1xbit. I thought in the society it is normal to give statements with proof, if you accuse something. And not just trolling like efialtis is constantly doing.

efialtis interesm appears to be poker. But when our site was announced he was hitting the F5 button, waiting to slander it.
The ony question arrised:
Which sportsbook has hired efialtis to slander cleobet.io, or is he get screwed by 1xbit and seeking for revenge without doing any research.

I also want to mention that efialtis has no idea where he is talking about.

Some example:


There is no such thing as "1xbet/1xbit group". Those sites are hiring the platform from white labeled company Betb2b.
But I guess it was even to hard for efialtis to research this.

I understand that Kawbet has a ruined reputation ( I do not judge of this is justified). But at least it was based on negative experiences from users, who claimed not to get baid, or accounts that were closed.
Then it is justified to write something.

Cleobet.io; 0 complaints from customers and 1 troll constantly rolling.
And a red flag? LOL

Few low ranked accounts (newbie-Member) that are writing on Cleobet ANN worked on several other threads known for hiring bumping services, so yeah, I think that you are onto something here. Like 2 buddies gsingh and Bitlend that just showed up today to defend Cleobet.


And here they are working side by side on other  ANNs that hired bumping services

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Flag supported!

edit: another account that worked with 2 previously  mentioned, vfrcbv91 jumped in to defend Cleobet. Time to add Cleobet on my list of ANN that are using bumping services.

Agreed - that´s my standpoint from the very beginning. And after all, we are not talking about some charity organization but a gambling operator...

I would assume any new casino that is showing just some red flags (e.g. copied design, or copied ToS) warrants a flag because it is high-risk until proven otherwise.

Have you guys noticed more and more newbie and/or very low rankend users are entering discussions in those ANNs of new bookies?

I am still confident that the flag is justified - not to mention the unprofessional behaviour they are showing...

But... what about all those accounts mentioned previously - still having a hard time figuring this out...

Not even their license is proper, what else do you need?

I'm not 100% convinced that Cleobet and 1xbit arr related. But this story definitely doesn't looks good and I'm not going to use this website, unless they will prove that this accusation is wrong. Cleobet deny accusation, but I see lack of transparency in their answers and there is no facts in their words which would prove that they are legitimate. Copying design, layout, colors and other stuff from 1xbit looks bad, no matter what was reason why they did this.

@Cleobet

Could you tell a bit about your license and company ? I did some googling and found some information about those 5536/JAZ gaming licenses from Curacao:

Source: https://www.casinomeister.com/gambling-jurisdictions/curacao-master-license-5536-jaz/

Do you know, whom people can contact in case of disputes ?

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Your website says the following:


Source: https://cleobet.io/

And then there is Tigergaming:


Source: https://www.tigergaming.com/

This (identical) registration number is from Thot Management BV. What is this company doing for you ? They just gave you a sublicense ?

Its is clear that you have no expertism about bookmakers, and you do not know at all the technical parts are working.
Look what you have posted, already judging and stating that we belong to the 1xbet group.
And that without even 1 complaint from a customer!

While this is not true. And then you speaking about manners? The reason why we call you a troll is because you are, you posted very negative things about us, without even doing some research.
You also started a topic regarding Kawbet (i can not judge other sportsbooks, but I read players are writing accusations in that topic).
But even before the first accusations start, you already made a topic there.
Seems that you do not like the betb2b websites. For sure you will have lost a lot of money in the past on 1xbet/1xbit probably, and now trying to seek revenge and trying to ruin every platform that looks similar.
You should have be more carefull with your accusations, and doing better research.
I think it is normal to write negative things about a bookmaker, on the moment they are scamming/stealing money, but not only because the layout looks the same.
When customers are scammed by a bookmaker, you have the right to inform the forum about this.
What you ar edoing is just trolling, without any reasons.

Actually if you think about it from a more advanced adversarial perspective, that is exactly one of the tactics that they should deploy. Create an copycat site with obfuscated odds. There are many ways to create a 2-step obfuscation tactic so it gets recognized as "This is too stupid to do as an adversary, so they are not the adversary". My advice is reading up on adversarial tactics, both novice and advanced ones (also especially methods used by agencies).

I wouldn't create a site with 1xbet design and different odds , it doesn't really make sense for 1xbet . Everything about the site is shady indeed , but can't really see that 1xbet is involved in this case
if 1xbet was trying to change how they look IMO they would change the design and offer some of their betb2b markets with added margin maybe ( cleo did the exact opposite here )

at the end I do believe that the site won't last long ( considering that they will honor winners since some of their markets are gold mines ) but really not sure what is the right thing to do with this case

Occam's razor says Cleobet = betb2b (1xbet/1xbit). Apparently many people are not familiar with this concept and prefer speculating in theories with dozens of assumptions rather than those with few.

They are persistent at what they are doing just as they repeatedly do the same website design over and over. Even their domain always have a word "bet" on it.  

Must be frustrating for them after several attempts. Right now, they might just be looking for new steps and design to make a success in promoting a scam casino. Be observant.