Topic: [CLOSE] SINBAD.IO [Mix Your BTC Quickly] Signature Campaign | Up-to $225/w - page 27. (Read 62683 times)

I understand what you are saying, but Sinbad already fulfills both those requirements to some degree. It fulfills the first degree completely. There is no minimum amount of posts you have to write weekly, and the upper limit is 25. And "forcing" is too heavy of a term. I don't remember any campaign where you were forced to write 50+ posts. But there were campaigns where you had to write a minimum of 25,30, and maybe even 35 posts to get the weekly pay.

Regarding the other thing you mentioned about style of writing, I am not exactly sure what you mean with that. You either write above a certain minimum quality threshold that the manager will accept or you don't. At least you don't have to worry about that. One part where Sinbad might hold you back is the number of posts that count in local boards for the weekly payout. It's 5 for smaller boards but the number is higher for bigger locals. I am sure these numbers will go up if the campaign starts counting 40 or 50 posts weekly. 

yes, that's what i mean. the other users (not all of them, but unfortunately there are some of them), who haven't been here in the forum that long, don't begrudge the other user his success, instead of looking at themselves first and improving their account/reputation through their own actions/writing.

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I just wrote and was about to publish my answer to icopress but since you eloquently covered everything I wanted to say, there's no need for me to repeat it other than to say that I 100% agree (too bad I don't have any merits to share  ).

Actual merit or the "merit-points" posters send and receive? If it's the merit system, then the problem is, it might only incentivize people who are better at playing forum-politics, and it might also make the sincerity of the posts more fake. Everything will be based on merely how much merit you can make in a week. Why not incentivize those posters who share actual ideas/insights, AND who consistently go over the 25 or 30-post limit at the same time. Most of the Green Zone members are qualified, why not start with them?

I kinda disagree here. For example, I post organically since the beginning and never actually did think about merits that much. If I wanted to grow my account, I would have spent my time in different boards/threads and not in Gambling and Croatian local boards.
Everybody from our Local can confirm how difficult it was to grow their accounts on Croatian boards, with only 1 merit source there that was banned for a long time and was not being replaced. Best posts used to receive 1 Merit, whereas on other local boards best posts earned 10 times that or more.

The situation now is 5x better on the Croatian board and if we had as many merit sources then, I'd be sitting on 3k+ merits easily.

If we (I will use 'we' here because I'm a CM too and I actually feel that this is an extremely important discussion) start using Merits as criteria, people will do just the opposite - they won't post as a hobby/organically, but will start chasing merits and we'll have merit circles appearing - which will hinder the natural progression of lower ranked members.


This is also something that is debatable - depends on the thread I guess. Megathreads can be filled with spam, and then again you have BSFL with 190 pages already where I feel most of the participants read all the posts. It's the same with all paid pools (all threads with 50+ pages), and I read every post there.
I don't even open most of the newly opened threads because most of the time they are poorly written and serve only for the purpose of writing posts that will be accepted in sig campaigns.


It isn't begrudging, after all merits are earned - and do somewhat show that the user writes quality content for a long period of time.
It is an important topic though, and it's beneficial to the forum that some of us share our stories and show just how hard it was to grow the account in some places.

I ran Coinslotty campaign ad on German boards and I basically received merits for every constructive answer I gave. That is great - but it isn't how it usually is (was) on most of the boards where some of us wrote.

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To be clear - this is not a discussion about me, my merits and whatnot. What I'm trying to do here is to offer my viewpoints to sig campaigns and new rules in general, especially related to this:


With the new set of rules (merit requirements, quality posts in megathreads not being accepted), I do feel campaign members will start to feel herded - and we'll lose the exact thing we CM's want to see - organic posts that were written because we wanted to write them and not because we're paid to do so.

Bottom line - I'd like that we can write anywhere, and that we're accepted or rejected based on our quality alone. It would then be up to the CM to decide whether we keep the spot or not based on our posting quality and style.

Of course, $250 is better than $200 a week, and 50 posts a week is a reasonable amount of posts. However, as already noted here, it is important that this does not affect the longevity of the campaign. Higher payment for posts will contribute to higher motivation for authors. In terms of post size, 50 posts is close to my natural post rate (43-49). I don't think anyone will really notice the difference. Merit accounting system is one of the most reasonable. We see that it is a common trend in the forum to give more importance to merites.

@icopress very wisely explained!
unfortunately, in every discussion here in the forum, where it is about rewards, you always find people who begrudge the others nothing, but on the other hand do nothing for it to then achieve this goal to then perhaps come into the enjoyment.
with all users who have accumulated over 3k merits it was also a long and not an easy path

Thank you Royse777 for getting us involved in the discussion, would 50 posts per week be on target? wouldn't that make spamming possible?

I prefer to set a posting limit per day (no more than 5 posts per day, with a total of 30 or 35 posts/week) but increase the quota of participants.

However, the decision is up to the owner, you have to discuss it in more depth with the owner so that the campaign is more effective and on target (warm greetings to the Sinbad team)

To be honest, I see a lot of conflicting answers in this thread, and apparently some people don't understand the idea of rewarding members based on merit. This concept is based on encouraging users to publish quality posts. So that users have an incentive to reach the point where they will receive the maximum rate (this is why it is important to have several levels of rewards).

The peculiarity is that when a user crosses the mark of 3000 merits (mostly), he stops thinking about merits, so his posts are organic and such users are very interesting to managers. In addition, as soon as the user begins to position participation in the campaign as a hobby and not as an income, he immediately becomes desirable for any manager (believe me, this is very noticeable).

I want to add that no project will invest resources in marketing initiatives if there are no tangible results, and there will be none if the published posts are lost in mega threads (after all, the highest quality discussion fits on the first two pages of the thread).

It's probably better to make it "by invitation" only, just like your Green Zone system. Perhaps invite the high-quality posters who also happen to go consistently over the 25-post limit?

It would maintain the quality of the campaign, and give added incentives to those people who truly deseve it.

If we check out spreadsheet then average posts of the green zone members are 35-50 and some user have also made century while other then green users average posts are 30 and only two members posts 60. from above data It is clear that most of the Member will choose 40 but with change rate mind can also be changed. I will suggest 50 posts because those users given full time to Bitcointalk deserve to get 250$ and also by choosing 250$(50 posts), there will no loss to 40 post lover because they will still recieve same reward according to their posts quantity but if choose 40 then there is 50$ loss to users having habit of 50+ post in a week.

If i am not wrong then Sinbad and Mixero will be high paying mixer project in case if 250$ with 50 post suggestions become final. This action will also help Sinbad to be advertised by Top active users of this forum.

Well $250 a week is not a big money for those who lives in US or other country that's uses dollars too, but is a big money to those who lives in some part of Africa and other currency's that has no value like the naira for instance, making 50 post per week is not easy for those who wake up one day and bought a Bitcointalk account without passing some text like making good post up to 30 to 40 per week.
Besides no participants of the champagne should complain because I believe before they applied they most have read the rules about the champagne and the total numbers of posts per week, 50 post per week is not a big deal I say again is just for you to be posting 10 thing per day and I believe by 5 to 6 days one might have finished he's or her work and if you like to pursue bonus then you can try.

If there is any chance of my opinion being recognized then I believe that $250 per week is that best pay rate for good quality posters of the forum. I'm sure that many people will say that increasing the maximum paid posts to 50 would cause more spamming in forum but I don't believe in that assumption because if a campaign is willing to pay such good rates for someone's posts then that user will try his/her best to deliver quality posts only. I don't think that a good member who regularly posts 50-100 posts per week will reduce the quality of the posts he/she creates and I also believe that such payrate would encourage the good quality posters to even improve the quality of the posts that they make.

I know that every member of the forum has a limit on number of posts because sometimes a person gets too busy to create 50 posts a week while other times the same user can create 60+ posts without any issue. There are such posters in this forum who regularly post more than 50 posts per week and they have also maintained the quality of their posts. I believe that users who spend more than 4 hours per day on forum can easily create 50+ posts because they always try their best to contribute to the forum and they don't really care much about the maximum 25 paid posts limit that most of the campaigns offer. Those users love to create more than 25 posts and if they get paid for the extra posts then that would definitely encourage them to further enhance their posts.

I also believe that there are some members who may prefer 40 posts and $200 a week option but those users should also keep in mind that if they have chance to get paid $250 for their 50 posts then why go with 40 posts and $200 option? I know that the question may have some criticism but those people should keep in their minds that it's not necessary to create 50 posts at all, but if you can get paid for 50 posts then why prefer lower option? I believe that the members who create less than 25 posts will also be happy if sometimes they can create a few more posts and earn for those posts as well.

Finally, I also believe that it's the first time that a manager is taking such a step to appreciate more than 25 or 35 posts of the members because in past none of the managers have taken any step in that direction. I truly appreciate the efforts of Royse for asking the opinion of the forum members regarding this matter and I'm very sure that all members will appreciate the efforts of Royse for implementing something like this in his campaigns.

A signature campaign is meant to be an advert that helps to promote a product/service to its targeted audience, right? And the longer an adverts stays active, the more its likely to get more conversion (i.e sales) within it's community of potential customers, right? Which in the case of this forum, the Casinos/Mixers are the products, and likewise we forum members, it's targeted audience, right? So in regards to this, I will say that if the management of Sinbad has seen that by increasing the pay rate of this campaign to $250/week would prevent them from running a long-lasting campaign, then for me, I will rather go for they paying $200/week, but if only that will be more comfortable with the management team, because the truth of the matter is that even if a new mixer comes into the forum and promise to pay $500/week, there will always be some people who will still want to hit the maximum post limit to get the full pay. But in this case, in as much as the management team is okay with any pay rate, I am definitely okay with it too, because they are the ones spending, whereas, I'm just a tool helping them to get more conversion (i.e sales) by promoting their  product/services.


NOTE: A moderate pay with a long-lasting campaign is far better than a huge pay with a short time frame. Thank you

Another secret: People always give a top priority to a product/services that is actively running a signature campaign on this forum compared to its competitors off the forum, as they always believe it's legit & have someone they can always reach out to when they have an issue.

 

I don't think campaign budget is the issue here; the manager is just interested in what could be considered the best option for the current campaign par rate, as we are expected to see new changes in the campaign anytime soon. If budget is the issue here, I think it will be left to the manager and the project to worry about, as what's really discussed here is how to bring out the best in the participants.

Most of the users above have already shared opinions based on how they feel and what they expect to see in the campaign. I would love to add my little piece, but let me leave the talking to our green zone/higher rank members, as they have more experience regarding this than I could think of.

Naturally everyone will want to get the higher incentive depending on pay rates applied, but then again for the sake of having a quality campaign the lesser post needed in a quota the better, but on the marketing side of the product more posts means more impressions and possibly higher chances to drive traffic towards the Sinbad channels and securing longevity of the campaign. And the plus side of such a campaign, places become competitive and anybody going below par if not the green zone such a spot is in trouble ** of course after a few warnings as always** just my 2cents.

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And thanks for setting the new standards when it comes to signatures , hope it's not @notblox1  ⚔️ Game of Thrones ⚔️ Campaign Manager Challenge ⚔️ that caused the chain reaction 

What should be the main concern is the budget from the management, I can see that if campaign have measurable payments to her participants, the signature campaign do stays long, if making 50 post will bring spamming and reduce a quality of participates and also affect how long the campaign should run, I will like the post to end on 40 posts per week and they will be quality posts, but if the t
50 post will bridge this project to experience short term, let the idea of making 50 should be cancelled and basically focus on 40 posts only.

As a participant in this campaign, here is my opinion on this discussion. I'm not at my desktop, the internet is a bit weak at the moment, so I won't quote and specially edit the text.
First of all, Royse, I have to commend you on the initiative to shake things up a bit and try to raise the management of signature campaigns and their quality to a higher level.

If you ask us (participants) what is the best payment rate, I believe that it would be ideal for us to keep the same limit of 25 posts, but for it to be worth $250. OK, I'm exaggerating 

The first thing I would like to point out, if we are talking about the payment rate, I must mention the latest changes in the Mixero campaign. It is currently the campaign that pays the most to an individual but at the same time the worst paid campaign. There we have three members who can earn $250, while the others are paid "only" $2.5 per post (Legendary rank), which is one of the lowest rates.
That they can reach the full $125 with a larger number of posts, which is currently average or just above. I would say that such a payment rate is aimed at spamming and worse quality. For example, the Stake campaign (which is definitely the worst in terms of the ratio of cost and what is gained) promises more with a similar payment rate. With the current competition in campaigns, for that money, plus a large number of posts, the most that can be expected are spammers, valuable members, certainly not.

What do I see as the epilogue of that campaign?
Three prominent members, no matter how good they are, will not be able to fully carry the entire campaign and in the end, it will not justify the money spent.

Also, even if this (Mixero) campaign has the best rates, member ETFbitcoin was paid $5 per post. At this point, I'm getting paid more than him ($6 per post), and honestly, I'm not even close to the quality of his writing. I'm a little sorry that he left Sinbad sig., a really good poster.

To return to the topic, payment rate and maximum number of posts in the Sinbad campaign.
If Sinbad prefers to assume a dominant role in the mixing industry, also here on the forum through a signature campaign, then the matter is clear. Best payment rate and maximum number of posts. Of course, a lot depends on the budget.

Here I would give an example of the best campaign so far, CM. They didn't start as the most paid campaign either, but over time everything rose to a higher level. As CM grew, so did the campaign.
I believe that it would be most realistic to start now with 35 posts max and the current payment rate (I'm talking about the green zone). So, it's about $210 max.
Over time, if the budget allows, you can increase the maximum number of posts.

As for merit rank, I agree with most of what they said in previous posts. With various contests like Pizza Bake Off and similar, threads like WO, users who have earned a lot of merit and do not leave the local board, I think that merit is overestimated.
Of course, it is not a unique rule, merit still serves its purpose. But I certainly wouldn't take earned merit as a basic criterion for selection in the campaign.

Here I will give an example, right from this campaign. User cryptofrka was accepted into the Sinbad campaign as a regular Legendary (non-green zone). He has just over 1000 merits (Sorry frka, I'm just too lazy to check exactly how much you have). According to the merit rules, this is only enough for ordinary status in the campaign.
But cryptofrka manages several threads in gambling, where it periodically publishes results and changes important for all participants of those threads. So all participants do not miss his posts, because they are informative for them.
So, a very valuable member, but he didn't earn merit, because the gambling section doesn't have much merit at all.

In the end, let me also complain about my pain, considering that I don't have 3k earned merit, so I'm probably out of here. I didn't expect it to end like this. 

I am currently not in Sinbad campaign but I really want to see more campaigns introducing different payrate that is not based on number of written posts.
My best experience was with signature campaigns that allow me to write in my usual style and they don't force me to write 50+ posts, or minimum amount of posts.
That probably makes job much easier for manager because they don't have to check every single post, but than you can't accept anyone in campaigns like this.
I think currently Foxpup pays like this for wearing Avatar, and I want to see more campaigns doing this.
In case of abuse or inactivity manager should be allowed to remove participants at any time.

Just my 2 sats

This factor is heavily in use to separate doubts between two or more equal choices and pick one from them.
Not to mention there are other factors like
- Having people from busy local boards and balancing how many a campaign can afford to have from a same local board
- Users have habit posting in specific boards. We don't want a poster who have all concentration in only one board.
- Users knowledge about Bitcoin is a good factor too. We want knowledgeable bitcointalk members in a campaign.

Merit definitely helps to filter between good and bad posters but when searching for THE BEST people, we need to find the good posters first. The Merit rank helps a lot in this case.

In my opinion, being in a campaign does not mean a member limit himself to the highest paid post per week rather he needs freedom and have the opportunity to get paid for all the GOOD posts he is making (without a ceiling of maximum posts to get paid) to contribute in the community.

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I like the idea to experiment how $200 per week goes then try $250 per week. But I can assure you that when a campaign have a budget to pay $200 or $250 per week, spam / bad posters are the last thing that will be tolerated.