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You all part of a cult you have telegram groups together What I find is that the mods are the only rational people here.
Some people here have alts.
Is not suffucient a trust scroe. forum like HF and OGU I saw in my own eyes people with hundrends of trust eventually exit scam.
Only docuemnts are sufficuent to proof it/videos.


They should give Yahoo a chance to provide them given his reputation here. This I agree.
Provide reliable docs then we talk. I will also make a  big donation.

Reputation is key for receiving any donations, regardless of whether asking for them is allowed or not.  If you're a nobody on this forum and start asking for donations for any of those surgeries you listed, you can forget about it.  The only reason yahoo62278 received all the bitcoin he did is because of the trust and rep he's built up over the years.  He's managed a lot of campaigns and a lot of money, so obviously people didn't think he was up to anything when he said he was in the hospital waiting for a heart transplant.

For as long as I can remember, asking for donations wasn't allowed, no matter who you were.  It was considered begging, and I was surprised to see a btc address in yahoo62278's thread.  Eh, medically he's out of the woods for now and it's not a huge deal that he asked for a little bit of charity from the community IMO.

millions if rich people like stake.com or bitsler will see it.
It has perfect story to induce empathy. not cringy donation like the link you post.
it has story behind it.

Full disclosore: I am fishy I dont feel like ruining the person the thread. (If all real)
I want him to get  as much money as much as possible.
This why I am willign to donate him half grand for him and half grand and Bitcointalk if is all real and verified by mods.
and they r willing to upload it again.

How would you call collecting donation to develop new forum software that was never delivered like promised?  
My point was that I saw so many obvious examples of people asking for donations in this forum and this was never considered a begging.
Now I understand if you want to make an example from yahoo, but I would like to hear opinion from theymos about it.

Dude, are you serious?!
This thread is still very much there as well as their ''donation'' address  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-charity-program-give-hope-to-everyone-1-is-a-big-thing-for-them-5124375

So you are now saying that he used some of his alt accounts for this, and for what....to get around $100 worth of BTC in donations  
I am really surprised and sad to hear all this from Global Moderator  

Appreciate that the mods are being rationals. All other users seems so irrational and part of a cult.
I also  want to believe he saying the true but give proper evidence.
Make proper research.

Why would you see it? It was done in private, but they usually don't get contacted at all. They either go straight in the trash without notification or the person gets a ban but I thought I'd do the nice thing and nicely ask him to remove it rather than trash the entire thing. It's really not done selectively. I think everyone should be treated the same and people shouldn't be begging for money here. I would urge people to report any begging threads and we'll probably stop a lot of scams from happening in the first place.


I don't think that thread should have been there but two wrongs don't make a right. That situation was a perfect example of the issues that arise from these things. People trusted so called trusted users/familiar faces and they straight up abused their position likely pilfering funds for themselves. If that thread would have been reported then it likely would have been removed straight away. I'm sure the people meriting it and donating to it were thinking they were contributing to a noble cause but that probably didn't happen, or not on the scale expected. It's sad and disgusting that people abuse charity but don't ever forget how low people will stoop to line their own pockets. Abusing charity is an extra level of low in my opinion because you're taking advantage of people's good nature to enrich yourself and genuine people who need the money and probably didn't even ask for it in the first place are losing out.


It doesn't really matter when it was put there but I can't confirm that to be true or not. Are you saying he only added the "I'm not asking for donations or anything, but I do have a bitcoin address in my profile if anyone wants to help out they can." at a later date? I think yahoo probably knew what he was doing by creating that thread but it would be a terrible loophole if we allow threads to be edited after they're created because someone suggested people could donate and that makes it ok. You could just have a friend or even an alt account make the suggestion.


Fixed.

Everything is possible. It may be all a show.



He need to proof:


- Video with his food deliveries app show 60 usd spend every day
- medical bills  from hospital.


The forum always deserves the truth to know if all of this thread is real or not.
Just for the sake of the forum to teach everyone a lesson if people can seem good on the surface and turn out to be evil after.


If he is  a real person I would keep his  thread.
And I will donate half grand for him and half for bitcointalk.

I never before saw moderators contacted someone to remove Bitcoin address from their topic, and this should not be done selectively like you are doing.
One more thread that comes to my mind was controversial Bitcointalk Charity topic, with three forum members being involved in abusing collected donations.
That topic was allowed to exists for months, and it's interesting that yahoo was one of the people who first talked about that issue, so I don't see him as a bitcoin beggar:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcointalk-charity-and-its-funds-5376475

I will repeat again, there was no bitcoin addresses when thread was created, he added it later after other members asked for that.
I don't know what I would do in similar situation, but fact is that most members supported yahoo and gave him bunch of merits.
Last time I checked he didn't receive  that much Bitcoin at all, fake Bruno scammer and Bitcointalk Charity trio received much much more.

PS
Your last quote was wrong, I didn't say that, it was post from Halab:

Not all donations are begging. If someone wants to send you or me money as a donation then they can go to our profiles and do so. You can donate to anyone you want. What you can't do is create a thread to try solicit donations. If a thread contains a sob story and address urging others to donate then I'd say yes, that clarifies as a begging thread.


You can't really say I'm not asking for donations then literally ask for donations both in the thread and directing people to your profile. Whilst some people will or would have genuine reasons for asking for money and it may seem harsh not allowing them in certain instances I think a blanket ban on them is wise unless we're going to scrap the rule completely or open up some sort of donation board which I think would just be a messy nightmare.


No, they don't have to wait but it's the first time I saw it and most won't see it unless it's reported. Only Globals and dedicated sub mods could handle posts/threads in there as well. Maybe the other mods didn't think it violated the rules or maybe some mods think certain people should get a pass but I can't speak for everyone.


Exactly. People could easily fake this stuff or just take advantage of being in hospital for a minor surgery as well. You could go in for a routine op, take some pictures of you hooked up to an IV or oxygen and make out like you're dying of cancer or something and have weeks to live. It's actually not that uncommon and people are always getting called out for faking diseases and illnesses. There was a YouTuber recently who faked cancer and received a lot of money in donations: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGcOZ4XPHKE


You could certainly have a thread to talk about your personal afflictions if you wanted to but you can't do that and then stick a donation address in it. I would still find it a bit sketchy either way and most people doing so would probably be doing it knowing it'll garner them at least some sympathy likely along with some donations as well. I might have a bit of sympathy if someone was genuinely struggling with their medical bills or whatnot but not to just fund someone's alleged take-out orders whilst they were apparently in hospital.

I'm not going to speak for all mods, just myself. And my voice has no more value than others.

Giving documents or invoices about a heavy operation doesn't prove anything. Everything can be easily faked.
As a mod or just a member, I don't want to have personal and sensitive information about other members.
And above all, I (we ?) am not a doctor and how can I judge if this or that disease is eligible for donations ?
Heart transplantation. OK ?
Cancer. OK ?
Amputation. OK ?
Sex change. OK ?
Breast implant ?
My dog needs surgery. Is it OK ?

Where is the limit? What if you are rich in a poor country or poor in a rich country ? What do we do? Do we have to ask for a tax declaration as well ?

If you want to talk about your health problems... why not. If people are touched by your story, they will contact you by PM to ask you for an address to make a donation. That's all you can hope. Because if we open this Pandora's box, there will be abuse.

I don´t understand what you are saying here.
If you read clearly I actually try to help Yahoo to get his thread back.



I support to help  him and re-open it.

OK hilariousandco, I liked your judgments and I respect them and this one too. I just truely hope it's OK.
By the way, whenever I find tough issues in the forum I sometimes check your post history to see if you have contributed. Your contributions are typically fair and readable. Thanks

do mods have to wait for a report before doing anything?

There were two other staff members who replied in that thread, why didn't they stop it

I don't like begging but have to ask

How about opening a GoFundme link directly and asking or donations there? There is that and a couple other donation websites that one can explore and get donations from people, it is even allowed on social media too, just not on the forum.

The rule is a necessary one for me. It would open up a huge can of worms to allow threads soliciting for financial help here, it would be abused and real users might not apply for fear of overexposing their identity.

- Jay -

OP why don't you use your main account, instead of creating new one just to ask a question about this?  

So now we are going to call any topic that has donation address a begging?!
I didn't see Yahoo beg at all in this thread, I even think he added donation addresses later when people started asking about that, he just said that everyone can find address in his profile (archive can confirm this).
This was certainly not the only thread that collected donations, I can clearly remember one topic from Bruno AKA Phinnaeus Gage and his medical condition, we all know outcome of that.
I can also find several donations campaigns for disasters and health issues, you can't call all donations begging, even Bitcointalk forum had donation address for years.

Yeah I think it's him.
He tried to mask his usual writing style, but it's not working very well.

https://ninjastic.space/topic/5430104

Is it only me who finds that this topic and the one(s) made by fishy001 yesterday seem too closely related?
I would not be surprised if it's the same person. (And, while multi accounts are allowed, ban evasion still isn't.)


I think that it's actually more related to Yahoo uncovering ban evasion than anything else.

The thread has some harsh words... I hope I survive. My mom died when I was 17. I need a heart transplant (cost 1m+).
As observers here, they feel empathy and want to help him and me too, but he needs to back it up with documents.
This is why I ask if the reason for the closure is  documents
People here are irrational to think that vouch is enough.
But if he is in a lifetime-threatening situation and he needs a heart transplant or he cannot work, And need food delivered to him to the hospital.  it may be worth keeping the thread open and helping him achieve his goals.
And get him money for  heart transparent in the future if he ever needs it.


Finally, someone rational. If it's true.
I am still surprised by how rep here convey so much trust.

People here are so irrational they trust reputation so much.
If I have hospital paper for eye issues, it will be much more trusty than these  100  vouches he has. (with all due respect)
You can call and verify with the hospital.
And also it will increase the number of donations in the thread if real mod will vouch for him after seeing such papers.
I advise on how to improve the overall experience in the forum, and it applies to everyone, not just the yahoo guy.

It was essentially a begging thread which obviously isn't allowed and I think the no begging rule is one of the oldest here. I'm suspired nobody reported it earlier to be honest. If it was made by any other account it would have been reported half a dozen times and trashed within an hour of being posted. It's really not about providing sufficient proof of illness or whatnot. I don't know if you're trying to make a point of something with this thread but it's a good example of what would be wrong with allowing begging threads because everyone would then try them for all afflictions major and minor; real or fantasy. It would then become the oppression Olympics with people feigning all sorts of things just to try solicit sympathy donations.


From his own words he doesn't seem to need the money and he has health insurance. From what he said recently it seems the donations were essentially just to cover his doordash expenses:



You might not like the term but that's a perfect definition of what the thread essentially was.

I think yahoo62278 deserves the necessary help he/she needs to survive the health problems as long as its true. He is a longtime member who has supported this forum in his own way.
The money involved isn't a small one. Extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof  and once enough proofs are provided the forum must rally around one of its own to help him/her survive. Life is worth more than the amount he/she is asking for. He could also be helped to get the desired treated/cured at the fraction of the cost or free of charge. Nothing is impossible
It will be really sad to see another important member vanish just like that.



In regards to begging accusation, why would you call someone who really needs help a begger? What? Is something wrong with you? That's childish and should never be used for people who really needs help from us. And don't ever call people who aren't really begging beggars: Here is a Wikipedia definition of begging:

Begging (also panhandling) is the practice of imploring others to grant a favor, often a gift of money, with little or no expectation of reciprocation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging



May GOD help yahoo62278 who has been kind to many of us in the past.

As far as I know @yahoo62278, just making a thread about his current 'life journey' with heart disease that he reported and told, nothing more.

Anyway @yahoo62278 already said it about the donation.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61464844

Does he ask for help directly to users here. of course not, only members have the sincerity to donate to @yahoo62278, it is their right as long as they want to give, without any element of coercion. Is not it.

Try to think positive, @yahoo62278 one of the campaign managers here, he has hired many members, not a mistake, for those who want to make a small donation for him $10-$50 for the suffering he experienced.

Do we need proof @yahoo62278 in the hospital, what is it for. did he ask for a full donation for his heart surgery to the members here, he just told his life story, believe it or not it depends on the members themselves.
You donate will be calculated later for kindness and if you don't donate it will not be counted later, you do good all in return, regardless of everything you say.

You give, it's your right and you don't want to give your rights, everyone here is an adult, Of course you can think about what is good and what is bad before giving something to others, try to be professional and think positively.