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Nope, he doesn't have to say anything beyond what he already has.

It sounds like you are supportive of him but he owes nobody here nothing.

An elephant in the room now. The air is heavy. May be yahoo can make it feel better. It would be nice to give something as evidence to shut off everything.

It's not easy when you have your privacy in stake but that's what yahoo wanted too when Royse was denying to post information, it's not just him but few other members still too keen to see everything black and white. Unfortunately we always live in gray area.

Here is another point to be noted, everytime there is an unpleasant even, a troll is always here with a straw.

I deal with people who I thought are legit and honest and greed got to their head and they steal my site (my developer) and lie after that he didn´t. .
And like you say i can easily spot if he is good person or not by talking to him.
You can easily spot most of the people but there are exceptional clever people that you cannot spot on normal measurements like conversation.
And most people here cannot understand and bring it into fruition.

So he should doxx himself just because of one butthurt ban evader like you? Yeah right. And even he did that, you probably still wouldn't believe him.

I am one of those few who donated him (and no, I don't think he was begging in his topic) and I don't think that he should provide any evidence because I know how easy is to fake those so if he was lying I wouldn't know anyway so why bother.

Sometimes people can manipulate you I dont talk about yahoo now.
But if you have enough experience in life you will see that I am right.


There are around 13%  of the overall population of people that  are Narcissist/Sociopaths/Psychopaths in the world can manipulate you .
They can be charmers and have 0  guilt to do harm to you and can convince you they are good people.
Is much likely to see on of these than find a mod with 0.5%.1% chance to have his born desease and ask donation about it.
Just saying.

Calculate odds.


I recommend to read
Using empathy to use people: Emotional intelligence and manipulation

Your words against yours? If you know something say something.

When you trust someone, you can rely on their word. Yahoo has been managing significant sums of money from numerous projects for a while, and he has built a solid reputation and level of trust in the process. Personally, I don't need to ask for any doc in order to assist because I trusted him and am aware of his character.

May I ask why you are so concerned with his life and donations?

Is look like bunch of alts/organized group of members use the same words and slogans to solicit empathy
´´But let's move on, life already has many sad problems, we don't need to create even more!´´
Now I am more positive that I dont  believe anything from yesterday. Any person would send evidence on its own without asking just to make a point.
If he worries on privacy. He could record video and post it here is no violation  of the rules.

This kinda of member know how to use the right words to hit the right emotions.

Now here's the point!
A person who hides behind his true identity is clear proof that he is not trustworthy. Yes your identity. Because our username here on the forum is our identity. No user who comes to the forum for the first time would question these situations.
Therefore, everything that this user (or others that may appear) says, will not have any credibility. Because, you are hiding your real identity here in the forum.

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Regarding the fact that the rules prohibit requests for donations, I even understand why they exist. And therefore, topics with this clear objective must be removed.

Now, the thread created by @yahoo62278 had no such purpose. He may even have made the mistake of posting his bitcoin address, upon request, in the thread and having alarm bells sounded. Perhaps his weakened situation made him not think that this situation would create this type of situation.

Either way, he has already rectified the situation, respecting the forum rules. I don't think there's a need to keep hitting the same subject.

During the time he was in the hospital, the forum was a help to him and a place where he could take his mind off the whole situation. Let's not now turn the place that made your mind stay sane, into a place of headaches.

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As for whether this was all a hoax, and he has to prove what happened. I think it's a great conspiracy theory!
@yahoo62278's reputation is worth much more than the mere dozens of dollars it would eventually receive in donations.

In addition, the forum has always valued privacy. Asking a user for a document is a huge breach of privacy.

Also, I see dozens of users with their address in their signature, and this has never been a problem on the forum over all these years.

Therefore, do not go to war with one another over these things.
The situation has already been dealt with, even if some of those involved did not have the most adequate attitude to the situation.

But let's move on, life already has many sad problems, we don't need to create even more!

No is not ok if people with trust will do it (Use highly sensestive words)  to solicit sympathy such as my mom died when I was 16, I need heart transp, I hope I surive.
All these words will make everyone donate him. But where is the proof of all of that?

You need to backup it up with evidence more than your trust here.

My 2c FWIW,

I commend hilariousandco for responding in the thread and TBH I wouldnt demonise
the mods for their actions, afterall as yahoo points out they had the decency to PM
about it.

What I'm taking from this is that there was donation addresses listed on yahoo's thread
which resulted in the locking of it, if those addresses hadnt been listed this thread for
example wouldnt exist.

Its ok to post up your experience of whatever is happening in your life and if someone asks
to make a donation you can direct them to the addy in your profile, thats ok.

In yahoo's defense I can understand how he or anyone else might have created that
thread, we spend so much time on the forum, some members have very strong
connections with each other and others have very prominent profiles, to share
part of your life with us is understandable. Some would shy away from doing so
others not, we are all different.

As The Sceptical Chymist pointed out, a newbie coming in with, zero history, zero trust, zero merit
and doing what yahoo did would be ripped to shreds, if you have any sort of history
built up in the community you will be welcomed, thats normal/fair.

They is a saying, "it's important to be kind than to be important", people had to get emotional about his post, and tried to help. That's what happened, so if it happened to be a begging thread which breaks the forum rule as the moderator said. considering that we are humans and easily moved by things we read especially one that refers to another person's bitter moments, that doesn't mean people shouldn't help a member even if he didn't ask for the help.

Yesterday I felt guilt and  that I caused your thread to be locked and may be some chance that you tell the truth.

But I find worrying staff.
like continuing lack of evidence, not  fully 100% honest.



The donation adress was in the thread itself. Not in your profile.
Archieve: https://archive.fo/lBKTU

This forum never ceases to amaze me. This happened because a member who was ban evading stirred the pot?

I know you moderators are the ultimate interpreters of the rules but I don't agree with what was done, for me he was not "begging", and I donated.


Completely agree.


While we're at it, I'll also tell you yahoo62278 that I saw a curious thing that made me decide not to donate to you again, but I'm going to wait until you are in good health to comment on it.

whatever happened to yahoo, i'm so sad for him, regarding the donation he made, i don't want to be so in making deep comments since he is one of the best reputation member in this forum, i'm sure he's not trying to profit from it.  heart surgery is one of the most expensive and he also said that the donation sent must be based on sympathy not because of compulsion, so in my personal view, he did nothing wrong.

I am professional, and the mods here are also experienced and most likely had enough drama and  traumas in their life  for themself or  their relatives to be more skeptical.
I am not  some sloppy and inexperienced girl with no life experiences that lets her emotions control her judgment all the time. who never experienced any pain and locked in her mom´s basement.

Btw If had heart problems  I would provide on my own will documents for mods as  proofs to shut it down once at for all.

Such as delivery apps orders etc. Its easy to upload it on loom and post it here.

If my brother or family member would ask me help and I doubt him I WOULD ASK THE SAME THING.

If he is emotional he will tell me I DONT BELIEVE YOUR MY BROTHER HOW YOU ASK ME THIS.

or if he is highly intellectual  he wil say this:  UNDERSTAND BRO YOU ARE RATIONAL ADULT AND YOU PROBABLY EXPERIENCE SOME SHIT IN LIFE.

I WILL SHOW YOU SOOM PROOF.


yahoo chooed the victim mind that we hold low opinion on him instead of provide a proof



You put donations links  also in the thread not just the profile.

Archieve:

https://archive.fo/lBKTU

as far as I remember, initially, yahoo only noted that his address for potential donation was on his profile page. although maybe he posted it later in the discussion, I didn't recognize his thread as begging.
@hilariousandco Do I understand you correctly, that actually the critical point in donation threads, whether it is begging or not, is actually the existence of a donation address?

maybe it is necessary to completely ban any charity and donor actions or at least define it more precisely, and I agree with dkbit98, this yahoo case seems pretty selective.

For example, I saw the charity campaign [AUCTION LIST] Auction for ColdKey victims launched due to a scandalous theft to raise donations for victims of yogg's cold key scam.
They even run a signature campaign [OPEN] Charity Signature and Avatar Campaign - Auction for ColdKey victims to promote such action in helping to cover losses caused by fraud with donations.

what is the difference except that there have not yet published the address for receiving funds? can this be considered begging?

don't get me wrong, I understand their ^{all ColdKey victim's} pain due to the loss and I fully support that action, but compared to yahoo's health problems, it's a cat's cough.

What it all comes down to is someone or multiple someones on the forum felt I was in violation of the rules of the forum. Only the forum is allowed to ask for donations, everyone else can put an address in their profile that's it in a nut shell.

I will say thank you to hilariousandco for pmming me vs just locking and deleting the topic. Definitely think the topic itself should stay up as a reminder to people to keep up on their health. I do not really appreciate some of your comments in this thread though. Your assumptions do not paint you in the best light. You are a moderator here and I have respect for you, but I have lost some reading your comments as well. You might be protecting the community in your eyes, but you could have chosen your words much better.

The initial thread was put there for people to have awareness. It was not a donation attempt, but it did turn into people donating roughly .05btc. I was not trying to get rich from any of you.

When the thread was made, the doctors were 100% going for a transplant. Then, whatever happened in my heart to change their diagnosis happened and I end up being released and am being monitored. There was nothing false about the thread. I cannot explain it, but i'm not mad about not being opened up again currently. The last open heart was fucking brutal and the recovery was less than desirable.



If we are concentrating on rules and enforcing them, why don't we go ahead and ban naim027 who is a ban evader and has been reported as such. Can we also ban  the self admitted ban evader the creator of this thread while we are at it? I don't mind rules being enforced but do them for all cases.




@ALL, they are right in their decision to ask me to take down the addresses. Let's not all get butthurt by them trying to protect the forum. The responses in this thread are less than desirable but That's not on any of you, just the people who made them. It shows that certain people have a low opinion of me and that is their right. Everyone does not have to like me. Locking the thread is a bit much IMO as it is all factual info.

There is also no need for theymos to comment. He hired the staff and stands by their opinion. That's how it should be. Rules are rules, LET IT BE.

@hilariousandco, let's assume you are in Yahoo's shoe. Make it worse. You do not have a medical insurance. Everyone in your family and friends are supporting you for your surgery. Not enough, you still need money to save your life.

Like your friends and family, on the forum there are many you interacted for years. They are as close as your friends in real life, the only difference is you never knew their real them. You know there are many who are capable to support you. Are you saying you don't deserve a chance here?

Well if you don't, the place is shit. There are no need for such community where they don't stand for each others. I will also like to hear theymos.

You know I think you have some beef against yahoo and you are such pathetic inhuman that you used your sure shot.

How did you justify when bitcointalk charity was there, when Bruno plead, when covid charity was there or you were closing your eyes and did not see it.

I am sorry I could not respect your view, opinion. You unfolded yourself as a pathetic creature.

I remember I read it when he posted his story here and I remember I didn’t feel that it was a begging thread by any means. He told his story wholeheartedly and I’m sure everybody read it with open heart. It was in nobody’s mind that it will turn into a begging thread and from such respected and senior member. That’s why it was not reported by anyone.

Then after that I didn’t visit back and never saw he posted a donation address in OP.

Anyway as soon the donation address was posted it turned into a begging thread no question on this.

I appreciate hilariousandco for his fair judgement instead of nuking the whole thread off, it’s better restoring it to original story telling post. I think yahoo62278 should accept posting address was a mistake.



Now asking for proofs or evidences is a stupid thing, you ask for proofs when you have doubts and when you have doubts please don’t donate or help anyone as simple as that.

If you believe in yahoo and think he needs donation or help no one is stopping you from helping him you can contact him pm or get his address there are thousand ways.

Begging is not allowed we all agree, full stop.

Now please stop humiliating anyone and specially yourself by asking for proofs. Because when you are in doubt those proofs won’t mean anything, real or fake is out question.

OP you are not going to stop until you make yahoo doxing himself right? No one would donate without reasonable evidence, if they did that's because they trust him. You should contact him and ask for medical records if you are interested in helping him and trust him enough.