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Topic: [Closed] AVALON CHIPs @0.082BTC + K16 Miner Assembly 60EUR - page 12. (Read 75963 times)

newbie
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I will probably going down the route of a refund, since Yifu (Avalon) has essentially suggested he is going to work on doing that for those who want it.
Yifu has broken his agreement (via the deadline) for many if not all of the groupbuys now, so he doesn't have much right grumble at us.
I just feel bad for all those who will end up taking a big loss like the assemblers (if a mass refund happens), who bought things in advance and now will have less use for them.

If I get a full refund (or near enough), I do not mind setting aside a small percentage of my refund for Nekonos (My appointed assembler).
I'd prefer to end up with a product, but at this point, as already pointed out in various threads in is going to have to be the next gen chips to be worthwhile.

I'm not greedy, but if the TOS says you promise something, you have to stick to it. But I don't want an innocent third party screw by it either.
If you feel the same, I'm sure Nekonos won't mind a few donations goes his way, I'm sure the same would to other assemblers that you had chosen.

I tend to agree with this.  Probably should be optional but I'd throw a small percentage Nekronos' way.
sr. member
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Keep it Simple. Every Bit Matters.
I will probably going down the route of a refund, since Yifu (Avalon) has essentially suggested he is going to work on doing that for those who want it.
Yifu has broken his agreement (via the deadline) for many if not all of the groupbuys now, so he doesn't have much right grumble at us.
I just feel bad for all those who will end up taking a big loss like the assemblers (if a mass refund happens), who bought things in advance and now will have less use for them.

If I get a full refund (or near enough), I do not mind setting aside a small percentage of my refund for Nekonos (My appointed assembler).
I'd prefer to end up with a product, but at this point, as already pointed out in various threads in is going to have to be the next gen chips to be worthwhile.

I'm not greedy, but if the TOS says you promise something, you have to stick to it. But I don't want an innocent third party screw by it either.
If you feel the same, I'm sure Nekonos won't mind a few donations goes his way, I'm sure the same would to other assemblers that you had chosen.
newbie
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B or C for me as well.
hero member
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B or C for me.
newbie
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B or C for me as well.
sr. member
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1. B ... full refund
2. C ... upgrade to next gen
3. D ... legal actions!

I think this is the way to go ... at least for me ...

for me the option b or c with d likely to have additional costs.

avalon was a disappointment  Sad  Angry
sr. member
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1. B ... full refund
2. C ... upgrade to next gen
3. D ... legal actions!

I think this is the way to go ... at least for me ...
sr. member
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Sorry that I did not update you guys before.

I am following all this up very closelly. Our batches are not delayed in the same proportion as other but I will do as we all decide.

I have posted in zefir's thread yesterday showing my support to whatever the comminity decides to do:
Although the batches ordered on the GBs I organized are still, more or less, within the 'promised' shipment time (the first with just over one week of delay) I just wanted to say the I will fully support any decision taken for other group buy's organizers and the buyers.

I think the more feasible option would be B and C and then 'E'. If C if the way to go then I suggest compensation is only accepted in the form of BTC back which percentage would have to be well estimated to fully allow ROI. Any other type of compensation will imply either, expending more money i.e. assembly or keep dealing with AVALON which I do not want to do never again i.e. next Gen chips.


I will probably add another option in the Bizwoo GB website to see how many people would like a refund. I will let all you know.

Cheers.
newbie
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i vote for a refund also
member
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The price per GH isn't that far off what the K16 is going to cost us including assembly.  Am I missing something?
hero member
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If Yifu is offering a refund on chips as stated I would like to voice my opinion from this GB and say Id like to get a refund...as many have said the chips are worthless now  Sad

I second refund.
vote for refund here too
legendary
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Dash Developer
If Yifu is offering a refund on chips as stated I would like to voice my opinion from this GB and say Id like to get a refund...as many have said the chips are worthless now  Sad

I second refund.
sr. member
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If Yifu is offering a refund on chips as stated I would like to voice my opinion from this GB and say Id like to get a refund...as many have said the chips are worthless now  Sad
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CLEARSIGHT- THE #1 BLOCKCHAIN JOB PLATFORM
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Yifu's latest:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3030660

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3030839

that number stopped forwarding a while ago, since people are so hell bend on thinking we are selling chips to somebody in china first I'll address that.

there is a lot of people who bought chips purely for reselling, however the stock is 10k or so at most like all the other orders. I hope people did not think only people outside of china bought Avalon chips. ( out of the 800k chips, more than 50% are chinese orders.)

In addition, these resellers only have small quantity of chips ( since we didn't ship that many yet.) whether is alibaba or the chinese forums, I'd love to see anyone make a large purchase from these "resellers", because they simply do not have the chips, despise what they may advertise.

In other news, we are shipping as per usual like our last update and are doing the best we could but probably simply going to offer full refund soon, I am tired of this toxic community malformed by greed.

So Avalon is "probably" going to refund. That will be our only way out. Chips this late are worthless.

Bizwoo? What's your next move?
sr. member
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FIASCO!!

@bizwoo. Have a look here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3029465

I suggest joining forces with other group-buy organizers.

 Angry I'm very angry with avalon , and now?
full member
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FIASCO!!

@bizwoo. Have a look here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3029465

I suggest joining forces with other group-buy organizers.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250

I take the opportunity to ask all the members of the Group Buys (both batches) to PM me with an email address where you can be easily reached. I will start preparing by collecting actual assembly requirements from buyers as well as final chips/miners destination. For this I am preparing a small website that will help us achieving this. Please make also sure you have verified your btc address with your username as I will not accept emails from unverified addresses.

You will know the website is actually ready as you will receive an email with username, password and website link in order for you to login and provide/update your assembler and chips/miners destination.


Cheers. 


Hi

Another group of buyers just registered.

Please, if you have PM'ed me your email address but you have not received an email with your password and URL yet, do not hesitate to contact me. If otherwise, you have not sent me your email via PM, do it as soon as possible.

As some users have asked, I also want to point out that the website for which I am sending the password has nothing to do with nekonos' minerfactory website. Some buyers from our group buys are not sending chips to assemblers (or to nekonos) therefore I need to cater for all the needs and the website is the easiest way to collect the chips destinations information and to communicate it to assemblers on time for them to be prepared.

Therefore, please do take the time to fill all the required information on the website which will also help the assemblers to match the order their get on their websites (i.e. minerfactory and burnin's website) with the chips I will send to them.

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This is a guide about ‘how to’ and ‘what is’ important to fill in the ‘Edit your information’ form of the website.

First Name
Last Name
Address 1
Address 2
City
State
Postcode
Country

All the above fields are needed so that we can either, send the chips to their final destination in the event that the buyer does not need assembly or provide it to the required assembler for matching and verification purpose.
In case you would like to use nekonos’ hosting service, then please fill up the name related fields and put in the address fields something like ‘nekonos hosting’.

Need Assembly GB1?
This field has to be ticked if the buyers have chips in our batch 1 AND wants to send all or part of them to an Assembler.

Assembler GB1
If you have ticked the Need Assembly GB1 option i.e. have chips in batch 1 to send to assembler, then you must choose an assembler from the list. PM me if your preferred assembler is not in the list

# Chips going to assembler GB1
Put here the number of chips from batch 1 that you want to send to the above assembler. If this field is left blank, any chip owned in batch 1 will be sent to the assembler.

Need Assembly GB2?
Assembler GB2
# Chips going to assembler GB2

The three field above are to be filled as per their corresponding pairs from GB1 (see above)  but for the chips owned in batch 2.

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Please fill all the required information as soon as possible. I need to pass it onto the assemblers in order for them to stock all the required components according to the number of miners to be put together.

If this has not been done by August 31 and you own chips in any batch I will consider that you want to send them to nekonos for assembly.

Cheers.
sr. member
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Now I probably have missed something, but why is there a third party?
Was the third party one of the earlier group buys, or are the rumors that Yifu sold his chips to the highest bidder starting to get more plausible?

Yes, this is a good question. There were quite a few early orders that do not belong to any group buy from this forum. This could be someone taking advantage of the fact that the chips are delayed and selling the chips at a premium.

Our first batch is already delayed for about 1 week.
newbie
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Now I probably have missed something, but why is there a third party?
Was the third party one of the earlier group buys, or are the rumors that Yifu sold his chips to the highest bidder starting to get more plausible?
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