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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 06:15:05 PM

Quote from: eleuthria on July 03, 2014, 06:09:52 PM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:51:31 PM

Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at Huh

I'm not sure if newer dragon miners have fixed it, but I know all the early ones were a hard setting. If the pool changed the difficulty, the miner would ignore it. Many early users were complaining about this because dragon miners on every pool were showing only a fraction of the speed they should. This was because the pools were only crediting them for diff 2-32 (depending on the pool default), but the miner was only sending 1024+.

So chances are I have three of the buggy ones and can lose my shirt on em lol

Unless firmware update would fix everything. Not even sure how to do that safely or know if its needed.

Setting the diff to 1024 on both ends will guarantee the problem doesn't happen. 512 is unlikely to cause a problem, other than the one I mentioned where a burst of luck could bump you to 1024, at which point 50% of your submissions get tossed under 'Unknown' rejects. You would still get full credit for your mining though (you'd be submitting twice as many shares since you're set to 512, and roughly half would meet the 1024, getting credited for 2x512, while the other half would be rejected for not meeting 1024).

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Quote from: eleuthria on July 03, 2014, 06:09:52 PM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:51:31 PM

Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at Huh

I'm not sure if newer dragon miners have fixed it, but I know all the early ones were a hard setting. If the pool changed the difficulty, the miner would ignore it. Many early users were complaining about this because dragon miners on every pool were showing only a fraction of the speed they should. This was because the pools were only crediting them for diff 2-32 (depending on the pool default), but the miner was only sending 1024+.

So chances are I have three of the buggy ones and can lose my shirt on em lol

Unless firmware update would fix everything. Not even sure how to do that safely or know if its needed on my units.

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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:51:31 PM

Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at Huh

I'm not sure if newer dragon miners have fixed it, but I know all the early ones were a hard setting. If the pool changed the difficulty, the miner would ignore it. Many early users were complaining about this because dragon miners on every pool were showing only a fraction of the speed they should. This was because the pools were only crediting them for diff 2-32 (depending on the pool default), but the miner was only sending 1024+.

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Quote from: eleuthria on July 03, 2014, 06:06:40 PM

I would highly recommend 1024 for Dragon Miners. Otherwise if your miner gets a burst of shares due to luck, vardiff will put you at 1024 and roughly half of your submissions will get rejected for low difficulty. While that shouldn't cause any issue with earnings, it will make your stats look completely terrible.

Changing now.

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Quote from: psahx on July 03, 2014, 06:00:26 PM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:51:31 PM

Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at Huh

It is the starting difficulty. Why do you put 512? I have 1024 on both of my dragons...

I like to start low and let the miner ramp a little if it needs to. but what about the bit in red, if that wasnt a hard code dif setting should the --Current Difficulty: be showing 1024 or higher ?

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I would highly recommend 1024 for Dragon Miners. Otherwise if your miner gets a burst of shares due to luck, vardiff will put you at 1024 and roughly half of your submissions will get rejected for low difficulty. While that shouldn't cause any issue with earnings, it will make your stats look completely terrible.

I really despise the fact that the idiots who designed dragon miners made difficulty a setting in the miner which completely ignores what the pool tells it to use.

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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:51:31 PM

Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at Huh

It is the starting difficulty. Why do you put 512? I have 1024 on both of my dragons...

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Also, I'm no so sure that acts as a minimum in the dragon settings and here's why...

Difficulty Sel : 512 --Current difficulty:512

It's like whatever you set is what it's told to always run at Huh

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Quote from: psahx on July 03, 2014, 05:38:23 PM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:31:20 PM

How does something like this affect shares if at all since work is still being done at full ramp even though the Gh/s might show otherwise at first on the site.

I guess, because you did not put minimum Difficulty for your dragons to 1024? Grin

I have 2 dragons, it takes 5 minutes to show correct hash rate. Check both in BTCGuild and your miners settings page. Make sure you have 1024 in both places.

Ty for the info Michael.

As to this quote, there was some tweaking done as Michael hinted at but the diff I got set for 512 on the workers page and 512 in the miner. Here's what's showing now since my query.

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   1,032.83 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   1,014.02 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   1,064.99 GH/s

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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:31:20 PM

How does something like this affect shares if at all since work is still being done at full ramp even though the Gh/s might show otherwise at first on the site.

I guess, because you did not put minimum Difficulty for your dragons to 1024? Grin

I have 2 dragons, it takes 5 minutes to show correct hash rate. Check both in BTCGuild and your miners settings page. Make sure you have 1024 in both places.

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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:31:20 PM

Hey Michael, got a question for ya.

So on the "main" page where it shows active worker summary. Why when plugging in large miners like 1Th plus does that info take so long to ramp up / normalize ?

My collo guy plugged in my three dragons today, and this is what I saw after about 5 mins or so.

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   522.48 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   974.58 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   513.99 GH/s

And I'm just now starting to see things normalize well over an hr later on the site even though the miners backend always shows 1Th+

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   980.04 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   993.90 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   1,040.17 GH/s

How does something like this affect shares if at all since work is still being done at full ramp even though the Gh/s might show otherwise at first on the site.

The most likely cause is the miner was turned on and restarted once or twice before it was left alone. The speed shown is an average. The window starts with only 2 minutes of mining data, and then as more data is available (miner keeps running), it extends that average to a full hour. If you turn on a miner and then tweak a setting and restart it, you'll have a gap in your shares which affect the speed estimate.

Additionally, if your workers didn't have their minimum difficulty set, the few minutes or so will be have some brief gaps due to constant difficulty adjustments until vardiff finds the proper level. Some hardware is significantly worse at handling difficulty adjustments than others.

The pool has no way to know your actual speed, it can only make a best guess. If your miner is turned on and left alone, it should reach an accurate estimate quickly. But any time you turn a miner off, it will have an effect on the estimate (unless you hit 'Reset Stats' before turning the miner back on, which resets the flexible window used to estimate the speed as well).

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Hey Michael, got a question for ya.

So on the "main" page where it shows active worker summary. Why when plugging in large miners like 1Th plus does that info take so long to ramp up / normalize ?

My collo guy plugged in my three dragons today, and this is what I saw after about 5 mins or so.

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   522.48 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   974.58 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   513.99 GH/s

And I'm just now starting to see things normalize well over an hr later on the site even though the miners backend always shows 1Th+

MoreBloodWine_Dragon0001   980.04 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0002   993.90 GH/s
MoreBloodWine_Dragon0003   1,040.17 GH/s

How does something like this affect shares if at all since work is still being done at full ramp even though the Gh/s might show otherwise at first on the site.

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Quote from: guytechie on July 03, 2014, 07:18:04 AM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:18:50 AM

Quote from: DrG on July 03, 2014, 03:22:10 AM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 12:06:49 AM

Lol, 8 blocks found yesterday with the last one being almost 5.5hrs ago.

With what I got running now (210Gh/s) and the 3Th I got coming online in the next 12-18hrs I'm supposed to average 0.09329440 BTC per day under current diff and I don't know if I'll get anywhere near that for a while with this luck.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Ghash seems to be finding around an avg of 45-50 blocks a day so I might have to go there if the first three to four days don't look good here after the new stuff comes on line. Even if it is only costing me $80 a month from a guy I know who has free electricity written in to his businesses rental contract where all my stuff is hosted.

I really love BTCGuild but I don't see how I'll be able to stay here if I don't average at least 0.08 / 0.085 a day here even though it should be around 0.093x

Either way, time will tell when the new stuff comes online tomorrow sometime.

You could make 20BTC/day and it would mean nothing if the pool you mined on were to go over 51% and force a concerted attack and decided to go on their own fork. If every miner focused on 1 or 2% gains at the expense of the whole network where would we be?

Lets say I settled for less, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. Just how "low" do I go because there is a tipping point for just about every one.

Like, knowing I should be getting around 0.093x a day, there's no way in hell I would stay on any pool if it was givin me like 0.03 for more than 2 days because lets be honest, there is bad luck where you might have one or two severely f'd up days like that.

I totally get the sentiment. I have 3 expensive SP10s I am trying to at least earn back what I paid for them. If I don't make back what I spent or at least close to it, then I just threw a good chunk of money away. And let's not forget the electric bill as well.

This is hard times for miners...

Unlike most people I get ridiculously (sp?) cheap electric due to my friend who hosts for me at his business for basically $20 a month for every 1k watts. That said, I because of that have more room to play with but it doesn't mean I'm going to take too big of a hit willingly. As you said, I'm trying to break even which I have a better chance than most because of my low hosting costs. Once / even if I do break even, is still not a reason to take a hit to the proverbial wallet since there's nothing to technically lose once one breaks even on cost of hardware and has nothing to worry about but the electricity bill.

Either way, once the 3Th is up, I'll let it go til sunday to see where I stand.

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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 05:18:50 AM

Quote from: DrG on July 03, 2014, 03:22:10 AM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 12:06:49 AM

Lol, 8 blocks found yesterday with the last one being almost 5.5hrs ago.

With what I got running now (210Gh/s) and the 3Th I got coming online in the next 12-18hrs I'm supposed to average 0.09329440 BTC per day under current diff and I don't know if I'll get anywhere near that for a while with this luck.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Ghash seems to be finding around an avg of 45-50 blocks a day so I might have to go there if the first three to four days don't look good here after the new stuff comes on line. Even if it is only costing me $80 a month from a guy I know who has free electricity written in to his businesses rental contract where all my stuff is hosted.

I really love BTCGuild but I don't see how I'll be able to stay here if I don't average at least 0.08 / 0.085 a day here even though it should be around 0.093x

Either way, time will tell when the new stuff comes online tomorrow sometime.

You could make 20BTC/day and it would mean nothing if the pool you mined on were to go over 51% and force a concerted attack and decided to go on their own fork. If every miner focused on 1 or 2% gains at the expense of the whole network where would we be?

Lets say I settled for less, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. Just how "low" do I go because there is a tipping point for just about every one.

Like, knowing I should be getting around 0.093x a day, there's no way in hell I would stay on any pool if it was givin me like 0.03 for more than 2 days because lets be honest, there is bad luck where you might have one or two severely f'd up days like that.

I totally get the sentiment. I have 3 expensive SP10s I am trying to at least earn back what I paid for them. If I don't make back what I spent or at least close to it, then I just threw a good chunk of money away. And let's not forget the electric bill as well.

This is hard times for miners...

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Quote from: DrG on July 03, 2014, 03:22:10 AM

Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 12:06:49 AM

Lol, 8 blocks found yesterday with the last one being almost 5.5hrs ago.

With what I got running now (210Gh/s) and the 3Th I got coming online in the next 12-18hrs I'm supposed to average 0.09329440 BTC per day under current diff and I don't know if I'll get anywhere near that for a while with this luck.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Ghash seems to be finding around an avg of 45-50 blocks a day so I might have to go there if the first three to four days don't look good here after the new stuff comes on line. Even if it is only costing me $80 a month from a guy I know who has free electricity written in to his businesses rental contract where all my stuff is hosted.

I really love BTCGuild but I don't see how I'll be able to stay here if I don't average at least 0.08 / 0.085 a day here even though it should be around 0.093x

Either way, time will tell when the new stuff comes online tomorrow sometime.

You could make 20BTC/day and it would mean nothing if the pool you mined on were to go over 51% and force a concerted attack and decided to go on their own fork. If every miner focused on 1 or 2% gains at the expense of the whole network where would we be?

Lets say I settled for less, which isn't out of the realm of possibility. Just how "low" do I go because there is a tipping point for just about every one.

Like, knowing I should be getting around 0.093x a day, there's no way in hell I would stay on any pool if it was givin me like 0.03 for more than 2 days because lets be honest, there is bad luck where you might have one or two severely f'd up days like that.

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Quote from: MoreBloodWine on July 03, 2014, 12:06:49 AM

Lol, 8 blocks found yesterday with the last one being almost 5.5hrs ago.

With what I got running now (210Gh/s) and the 3Th I got coming online in the next 12-18hrs I'm supposed to average 0.09329440 BTC per day under current diff and I don't know if I'll get anywhere near that for a while with this luck.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Ghash seems to be finding around an avg of 45-50 blocks a day so I might have to go there if the first three to four days don't look good here after the new stuff comes on line. Even if it is only costing me $80 a month from a guy I know who has free electricity written in to his businesses rental contract where all my stuff is hosted.

I really love BTCGuild but I don't see how I'll be able to stay here if I don't average at least 0.08 / 0.085 a day here even though it should be around 0.093x

Either way, time will tell when the new stuff comes online tomorrow sometime.

You could make 20BTC/day and it would mean nothing if the pool you mined on were to go over 51% and force a concerted attack and decided to go on their own fork. If every miner focused on 1 or 2% gains at the expense of the whole network where would we be?

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Quote from: psahx on July 03, 2014, 12:32:03 AM

^^^^^^^

So sad to hear that.

Have a patience, I can feel Good Luck on his way to our pool

And he promises to stay a bit longer this time Grin

P.S. I have almost 14TH/s and a huge loan on my ass, units are in datacenter, I still mine here. I argue everyday with my partner, to stay away from GHASH. It is hard, but I can't risk the future of BTC. I will blame myself for the rest of my life, if something goes wrong with BTC, while me being involved in that. Enough said...

Well, my equipment wasn't supposed to get to my collo guy til Monday with the S&H method previously chosen (UPS 3 day select), I forgot the 4th was Fri. That said, he loaned me 0.21x BTC to pay for 2day air so it all gets to him on the 3rd. That said... since it comes online tomorrow / later today, I'll let it roll through Sun. but if things don't look good by Mon I will have a decision to make, a hard one at that because BTCG has been good to me.

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^^^^^^^

So sad to hear that.

Have a patience, I can feel Good Luck on his way to our pool

And he promises to stay a bit longer this time Grin

P.S. I have almost 14TH/s and a huge loan on my ass, units are in datacenter, I still mine here. I argue everyday with my partner, to stay away from GHASH. It is hard, but I can't risk the future of BTC. I will blame myself for the rest of my life, if something goes wrong with BTC, while me being involved in that. Enough said...

MoreBloodWine

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Lol, 8 blocks found yesterday with the last one being almost 5.5hrs ago.

With what I got running now (210Gh/s) and the 3Th I got coming online in the next 12-18hrs I'm supposed to average 0.09329440 BTC per day under current diff and I don't know if I'll get anywhere near that for a while with this luck.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

Ghash seems to be finding around an avg of 45-50 blocks a day so I might have to go there if the first three to four days don't look good here after the new stuff comes on line. Even if it is only costing me $80 a month from a guy I know who has free electricity written in to his businesses rental contract where all my stuff is hosted.

I really love BTCGuild but I don't see how I'll be able to stay here if I don't average at least 0.08 / 0.085 a day here even though it should be around 0.093x

Either way, time will tell when the new stuff comes online tomorrow sometime.

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There was a massive increase in hashrate across the entire network so the estimate skyrocketed. Since then the hashrate has actually been decreasing, one would guess, as the hardware is disconnected and prepared to ship to the people who actually own it.

Almost two hours since the last block! It would be pretty sick for those of us who have hardware on order if due to an odd circumstance and awful luck the difficulty stayed the same or even ticked slightly down for just one round. That would give a lot of S3 buyers a big ol' smile.

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