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I don't know if you need this, but this is my profile. Which I don't see in the sheet;

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fatih87sk-180858

I dont understand, don't they go to the rest of the stakeholders that are valid in the 1341 number?

We have a total of 1341 stakes
Of these stakes have users who do not provide their account number and puppets
These accounts were blocked with us, after 30 July we will decide how to distribute the coins
We want to give a couple of full stakes for those users who have supported our project.

What concerns Promotion Fund. will create a new page after the launch where everyone can take part in the promotion of

@koop4u

Thanks for your clarification.

I have one more question though. Here a brief list of I saw events:

-IPO finished and 1341 users were in the list.
-Devs were unable to complete project as fewer users as intended joined the IPO and needed further funding.
-More stakes were put to auction for the project to have a chance to be completed.
-Puppet removal began
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Final member list is about to arrive. If I counted correctly, we now have 935 individual users on our list. And 726 users that have provided an account ID.
These 935 refers to diffrent users on the list. NOT to stacks allocated during the second sale as some users have more than 1 stack.

Is it correct that the stakes sold during the second sale are taken from the members fund at the moment ?

In my eyes 60% of the coins should go to these 935 users.
All the stacks sold during the second sale could be taken either from Promotion fund or development fund.
A short reasoning why:
According to devs, the project was at risk to fail without further investments.They had to support the coin in a suitable way. And that's what developers fund is for according to their definition.
- Developers fund's purpose is "for developers to perform functional and system support". Developers use their coins to support the system.
- Promotion fund's purpose is to "encourage people to participate" . That was the case here too.


What to do with late comers that didn't create their account by June 27th ?
I think as long as they create an account Before the coin actually launched, there is no reason not to provide the full stake.
After that date Only 20k should be provided.
My reasoning: It will fascilitate your job! You can give the same amount to everyone on launch (60% divided by investors). And you can give the same amount (20k) to everyone that claims their coins after the launch.

I belive he already did .

"I can't calculate the exact amount upfront! We will know the exact numbers after the puppet removal!

But i can state 1 fact: 60% out of 1Bil belongs to the NODE Members! (600 000 000)! No matter what!"

How is this confusing? 60% goes to members

trolls ... trolls every where ... read the fuckin OP .. read the list before posting shit ...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnYj5G7gBeXIdGtHam1UOXlDaDR6VFFZMGp3bVRnSHc&usp=sharing#gid=4

i think in this 40 % below

promo ; giveaways , marketing and more ideas

development fund :  is about development ...  to make things after the launch and keeping safe the coin

good ideas fund : about give some node to people with good ideas ... i think this is to logo , translations etc ...

test found ; to test ...  

target ; this <- i think is the stakes to devs ... and no problems for me ...

sorry for my english i am brazilian .. english is not my first language .

He will take it all.

YES KOOP

IT SHOULD INCREASE

CLARIFY THIS!! YOU KIND OF DID, BUT DIDN'T SAY WHERE THE EXTRA COINS ARE GOING, JUST SAID NOT GOIN TO YOU??

we need ture time！

I am so happy with how the thread is going now.

It is like night and day compared to two weeks ago when REAL NODE members were infighting.

This is heating up to be quite a launch!!!

What things are we going to do post launch to promote NODE. Have we thought of this?

Do you have an ETA for Node?

Yes, you can't calculate it yet. we understand that, but you can tell us the number will be calculated and you will give us the extra coins up to the 60%

I think what sword was saying is that the 500,000 will have to INCREASE to keep the 40% to the dev promise.

Correct? or where are all the extra coins going. Give them to the loyal, REAL stakeholders.

Can you verify this?

Thank you, i appreciate it.
And big thanks @ the community.
I hope Node will be released soon, so the promotion to this coin can start (through twitter and blogs).

Hi ! I'm MedianP, member 1166, account : 1815282168349150134.

I tought every member would get 5000 nodes as you said previously but I didn't received anything yet and 2 months passed now, any updates ?

@Sword555

I can't calculate the exact amount upfront! We will know the exact numbers after the puppet removal!

But i can state 1 fact: 60% out of 1Bil belongs to the NODE Members! (600 000 000)! No matter what!

Also 500 000 stays 500 000! It won't decrease!

So to bust some myths that are going trough people's minds:

 WE ARE NOT RAISING OUR SHARES! 60% stays 60% or 600 000 000!

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I will go back in time and i will remind (or inform ) with some pace changing events:

- We initially stud to gather 3500 Members! But the community proposed and alternative, and to end the IPO at 1341stakes with a auction.
-That auction ended with selling more than the fixed amount of stakes! (1400+). At that time to keep the same amount of coins of 447427, and not delude the already set number (600mil/1341), we promised to include the extra stakes in to the 1341 limit, by removing the puppets.
- After a while we encountered a bug, and had to delete the user base! We Pm our members, to make new accounts, and then set a deadline and a penalty for not complying. (this lasted a month+)
- That penalty LINK was set, and the community accepted this initiative! That measure was necessary in order to speed up things, and commence to the distribution and launch! The only downsize of the penalty, is that if you haven't made an account till 27/06 you will be left with a minimum of 20 000 after 10+ days of being late! And the rest of the coins will be distributed to the community. (The coins won't go in to the dev's pocket). I do agree that 20 000 out of 447 427 is harsh, but this accounts for many variables. Some people already forgot that they invested, other might be puppet accounts! Others will remember after an half of year that they are a member, early birds that only wrote "interested" and forgot about the project, etc. And an other frame factor was that after the coin get's on the market the value of 20 000 might be equal or surpass the initial investment.

- After a while we announced an increase from 447427 to 500 000 Nodes per stake! The logic behind this action was as follows:
 at that time we had approximatively 130+ late accounts (members that didn't create an account) and they were subjected to the minimum amount of coins due to being late. So we made some math and we got extra coins for the community. Also we assumed that the member list had 80-100 puppets! But we did not expect it to be higher!

- We were ready to launch, and to do that we had to quickly go trough the puppet removal! We thought it will last +/- one week! But then again, when we started analyzing the list we were shocked! Especially the case when a Chinese guy had 45 puppets... really... 45!!!

Now we are a few days apart from finishing that step > and we will be on our way to the launch!

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Regarding the 20 000 Minimum! What do you guys think??? Should we keep this penalty??? Or should we increase the minimum guaranteed amount!

My personal opinion about this is that if we keep the coins for those that are late in to claiming their stakes, it will only hinder the further distribution of coins!

I would like to hear your opinion about this!


@ ifightformerkel - As i see the community has nothing against you keeping that stake! In this case, to make is fair for everyone, we will remove the penalty for all those that were late till this moment.

@Terrible - Puppet removal Deadline was se 30/7! After that the things will start rolling! I will update everyone, and set 100% sure, terms closer to 30th.

Any ETA established now?

Koop it is not 1341 stakes anymore, so yes 447427, was the number, then you raised it to 500,000 as an estimate.

Now how many stakes are there? Much more than a third of the 1341 stakes are now gone. That's over 30 to 40% of the stakes. you raised the number of NODE each stakeholder that is left by only 11.7500732%. Our number of NODE per stake should raise by whatever percentage would make it so that the stakeholders that are left would still be receiving 60% of all NODES.

Please tell us you are not sticking with 500,000 per stake, as this would reduce the 60% number drastically.

Please tell us you will just do the math and give us the correct amount of NODE per stake as to stick with the 60% PROMISE!!


Thank you in advance as I am sure you guys are men of your word, as this is one of the major factors in the value of the coin (honest devs)

At launch, if investors see that you were very agressive to get rid of sockpuppets only to raise your share of NODE, this will hurt NODEs value to that investor greatly. Surely, you cant expect investors to be attracted to a coin in which the devs stole their stakeholders % of the coin right before launch.

I am not accusing you of doing this, I'm just saying that it would be in NODEs best interest, and put the REAL stakeholders that have stuck with you for many hard months, at ease by saying so.

Please clarify this. The sooner the better. Because the looks of it now, the number has flip flopped, 60% to the devs and 40% to the stakeholders, if we were to stick with the 500,000 number.

Thank you KOOP!!!

Ok, thx for the Link, yesterday SillkRoad write me because iam to late and he give me only 20 000 Nodes because the rule and send me this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.1700
but there stand nothing.

btw. the information that everyone get only 1 stake and all 3500 ipo placed must be filled stand also here (a longer time ago), so i think it was still actually.

thx for believing

i write SillkRoad yesterday that i was glad that iam in this big project from beginning,
i also wanted to make promtion (i can make it happen that when Node is released it will be @ the biggester german altcoin blog)
but than i dont read this thread every week and than this happen, that i get only 4% of my stake, thats make me a little bit sad and also angry.

So is there a possibility to get 1 normal 100% stake?
because with 20 000 nodes it will be dont worth for me to stay here, the giveaway was already 5 000 nodes.

btw. i made nothing wrong, i have only 1 account, i sent you the ipo money, i make a account number and send it to you
my mistake was that i dont read this thread every weak.

Slow down, dude. Devs stated a long time ago that 60% goes to investors no matter what.

As for size of members' stakes I think there should be no late fees at the moment. Simply because it's not late. The coin hasn't been launched yet. How could it be too late to claim your stake before the release?  

i believe in @ lightformerkel

in my opinion .. give 100 % of him stake ...

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