Topic: [Closed]Avalon Chips - 0.081 BTC (Global+Escrow)-BATCH2 SECURED - page 59. (Read 100377 times)

Avalon has promised that they will send working and tested chips ONLY. As for the PCB, it will be a working and tested design prior of soldering the Avalon chips.
As I said in one of the previous posts, there is good chance something goes wrong until the time we have working asic miner, so everybody has to do his/her risk assessment on his/her own. As far as I'm concerned, those 2 positions you mention, hold the least risk among others.

What happens if some of the 10k chips don't work? Or if the final PCB received doens't work? Since each chip is allocated to a person this might be a problem right?

I will take 16 of these. I will use John K. for Escrow as well.
Thanks

Hi, I've read every page and can't seem to find if cost of materials and your fee for completed miner have been stated.  I see assembly cost, maybe that covers materials.  I know you are keeping the fee low for chips, but is there also no fee for handling?  Any idea what shipping will be?

He has time until Wednesday, but we should talk to each other tomorrow morning, GMT+2 time. We talked on the phone yesterday.

Is there a payment incoming for the 4K chips??

The current orders: 3876 ordered, 4000 reserved for a person insisting for reservation. 2124 remaining.
Isnt't 2124 in the top, green line of the thread?
1. Only for the 16 chip pcb i have a certain price without fan, heatsink and power supply. We also need that and it will also weight on the price tag. However, i'm thinking on offering the power supply separately.
2. Yes, they are USB, but they do not draw power from the usb. So, AFAIK, about 250 can be plugged in one pc.
3. Bkkcoins, the creator of the Klondike design, is currently working on the software. He has also managed to build an almost final version of this 16 chip miner. When it will be final, i can launch it in mass production.
4. Yes, you can opt to have a complete miner using yiur chips. You will be asked for the additional funds for the miner and the shipping costs. Also, in eighter way, you will be asked for your shipping address.

I hope i cleared all your questions for now.
Regards,
Steve

how do you get 10'000, when it says 2124 remaining, 4000 reserved?

have 7876 been ordered? are you not updating the 1st post or what is happening?

I am 70% about ordering, as the risk seems worth it, and I am just going to clarify everything first . no offence, it's the internet. Also my Q's and your A's may convince other buys to opt in.

so options are a 1 chip unit, 16 chip unit, and 80. only 16 is for sure? what is the expected hash rate for the 16 chip unit?

can these units work in tandem? are they USB?

also, I guess the software is already prepared?

if I order chips, then I can opt for you to hold onto them and make a unit then send me that?

yes, I also paid my share to escrow without any problems. It must be complicated to manage the group, answering questions and take responsibility for thousands of dollars.. if I compare it with fee - it is nothing.

Thank you, hacko.
You shoud pay the tax to the standard escrow address provided by John. The fee should be N chips x 0.002 btc.

Thanks again for understanding.

I can't speak for everyone but personally I'm happy to pay my share of the escrow and don't expect anyone to be out of pocket on my behalf ;-)

Lesson learning appreciated, but as you were kind enough to arrange this group at no fee cost for you (from what I've seen so far other group buys have 7 to 10% fee for the person, arranging it) I still think that the 2% fee should be paid by participants in the group buy and I will pay my part and my advice is for the other participants to do so. Even this way 0.081 btc per chip is the lowest price in a group buy from Avalon, as far as I am aware.

To which escrow address and in what manner should I send my escrow tax?

2013-05-19:
- A fatal math error was discovered at the chip's cost. This was my mistake and take full responsability for it. John's escrow fee wasn't covered by the final chips price. This is fixed now and if there are missing funds regarding John's escrow fee, i will be providing this out of my pocket. Lesson learned.
- I'm considering the aspects of building smaller, 1 chip USB miners also, based on the K1 project from Bkkcoins. I'll provide updates regarding thsi too.
- I have to create the text content of our website. After this, we can go live, probably during next week.

Yes, i've done that a few minutes ago. Makimg mistakes is learning, so i've definitely learned to make my math right.

Steve

ooh thats gonna get confusing later on then.

I owe John K escrow percentage for an additional 10 chips I paid into escrow for.

Best if we include the escrow fee into the price per chip that way there'll be less farting around for John K and t13hydra at the end.

Thank you for answering this  Hacko. I'm writing from my phone.
You're exactly right in all statements.

Regards,
Steve

Right now, we are gathering to complete 1 batch of 10,000 Avalon chips, at the terms described in the 1 post.

PCB is a matter of development right now, but from what I've discussed with t13hydra, klondike design is closest to completion, easiest and cheaper to produce. Expectected price for this design, according to last calculation is 75-100 Euro. This price is paid alone from what you've paid (or will pay) for the chips you order. 80 chips (or more) designs are subject to further discussion and so far nor price, nor 100% for production is agreed upon.

So, what you can order so far is Avalon chips, at the price and terms described in first post.
After that it will be clear how much/what models PCB will be produces and how much they will cost. There will be import fee, when chips arrive from Avalon to t13hydra, there will be shipping fee, when the chips are dispatched to you and it will be based depending on your location. If you are located outside EU, there could be import tax, which you'll have to pay, too.

There is 8-10 weeks waiting time, after the order is placed with Avalon. If everything is going as expected, my estimation for working PCB boards must be middle of August/start of September.

There is good risk something goes wrong, changes in bitcoin scene, drop of prices, etc, etc. Do your risk assessment and place your order if you are ok with the odds.

Hello,
This thread is about chips. I'm making pcbs also, because i can and i can make them a little cheaper than others in this forum, however, not as cheap as Thailand. It means, when the time comes, i will be making pcbs at an additional fixed price. This implies that i will also have a separate thread for the PCBs and i will be discussing aspects of that on that dedicated thread. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough, today wasn't a good day for me.

Regards,
Steve

It is a little confusing based on your posts what one will actually be getting if one orders in this thread. If I order 16 chips, do I get the chips, or a completed 16 chip miner? Your pricing seems like it is based on just the chips since you can't possibly sell the completed units for just the chip cost (not without taking a huge loss yourself anyway), and yet you seemed to have stated in a few places (like the above post) that you will be providing people who ordered in this thread with complete units.

Could you clarify a little bit on what specifically you are offering and at what prices?

If you are about to list completed units on your website, have you built out a completed unit and verified that it works? If not, when do you expect that to happen?

If you are really offering completed units for just the chip cost, count me in for a few

Hi,
You will be getting a full working unit. [edit: at an additional fixed price, discussed a bit later]. This thread is open for the chips, but i will have another thread open for the devices. Also, my website is almost ready. You'll be able to order several types of boards, complete or incomplete, on the website. For now, i have a final price for the 16 chip device. I will also have prices for the K1, the one chip, 282 MH/s device and the 80 chips devices, build by team Avalon.

To answer your question, no, i won't be running with eighter the chips or the boards, i plan to stick around as it will be more rewarding this way. Don't take my honesty the wrong way, but i really care for BTC and it's image. The BTC community already has enough scammers. I think i said it all with this. If you like, you can check out my FB page. Let me know if you need it.