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[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: Z-tight

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I was not involved in the first review, but i read a lot of reviews on it to be sure that all the good suggestions were implemented, and i even read all your replies to suggestions and recommendations here, and i can confirm that the website has implemented most of the necessary suggestions and they are working fine. Since so many users have reviewed the site and made their contributions on how to make this service better, i have used the website now and this is my review on its functionality after review #1:

The mixing process is very easy and the site's UI is so good, i used two receiving addresses with different delay time and receiving percentage as can be seen in the image below:

1. I tested to see what would happen if you input the same receiving address twice and if you do so, you get the error message that: "Addresses must be different", the website also detects an invalid address and gives the warning that the address is invalid, which are both very good.

2. I noticed that the higher the service fee, the higher the security level, is that true? So what makes 'basic' of a lower security level than let's say 'premium'? Is it easier for blockchain analysis companies to link your input to output if you use a fee for basic security level?

3. I did my mixing today, and i don't know of previously, but the site was very slow.

4. The delay time is in both hours and minutes, and it is great and so easy to use the slider to choose your preferred delay time, as well as the percentage allocation.

The next process is to send the coins you want to mix into the deposit address provided for you by the mixer, and download the letter of guarantee. Can you add at least one reason why it is important to download the letter of guarantee, especially for newbies; let's say:"Please download the letter guarantee before a transfer, it is your proof of tx and is essential in cases of disputes".

The mixer is quick to update once you have broadcasted your tx and it only takes one confirmation for the mixing to start.
1. There is a countdown time based on the delay you chose and you can follow it to know when your coins will arrive in your wallet

2. I received the funds in my first address immediately the countdown was over, but for my second address the funds is still unconfirmed because fee rate in the mempool went high, what happens when the mixer pays a certain fee and then fee rate spikes and the funds remain uncomfirmed for a long time?

3. The mixing process indicates 'finished' once the delay time is over, but just like in my case where my receiving tx is still unconfirmed, wouldn't it be better if the mixer waited for at least one confirmation on the receiving addresses before marking the process as finished.


The second mix went as smoothly as the first, i tried this one in dark mode and i can confirm that it works very smoothly and is good for the eye. Taproot address format wasn't initially supported, but you said it has been added, so i tested it, it was not my receiving address for this mix, but i inputed a taproot address to see if it is compatible in the site, and it is:

Other than that, i closed the tab in order to test the order link and it works perfectly, it just takes you straight back to where your left off. To contact support, you as asked to input your name, i know that you can add any pseudonym, but for newbies who are not so informed, they may input their real name, is it necessary to keep that part when contacting support.

Conclusion and suggestions
- The website is user-friendly, and even a newbie can use it and mix their coins without any trouble.
- I can confirm that after the first review a lot of changes have been done to the website for overall better functionality.
- The service fee and fee per each receiving address is kind of expensive to be honest.
- Some mixers have failed and disappointed the community, how do you intend to win over the 'trust' of the community to use your service.
-  The fee calculator is accurate.
- Do you have a fixed fee for sending out payments.
- Goodluck in your business here.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: un_rank

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Finding [banned mixer]
This is my first review of the [banned mixer] website and its functionalities. Before I get to the actual review I tried the possibility of someone not from this forum discovering the website, I searched across different search engines:

- Google,
- Bing,
- Duckduckgo.

...and I used specific keywords on all of them "Bitcoin mixer", "Best bitcoin mixer", "safe bitcoin mixer", "Bitcoin tumbler".
None of my search results (1st page) showed the tumbler website or a ranking where it was mentioned, but I came across a couple of competing services.
I am not giving the team any sticks for this cause SEO rankings take time to grow organically and the team could already be working on it behind the scenes. This is just the perspective of a user trying to find the a mixer to use randomly.

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Website Functionality
First I am testing out the overall website functionality and how easy it is to navigate.
● My first impression is that it is a decent website which works great on different browsers on mobile or desktop.
● There is an image in the front page which gives the impression of a video with a play button but does not lead anywhere, that could be confusing to first timers.
● The "Last Articles" could be better written as "Latest Articles". The word last always has an undertone to it that does not encourage others to delve further.
● Overall, I feel the website could be designed better. The 4 Hallmarks could be better positioned for the reader to see that as the first or second thing on the page, no the read more section. Things like that gives confidence to the person visiting the site for the first time and should be difficult to miss.



I am using Firefox version 119.0 on desktop.
Security level - Premium
Service Fee - 3.99%
Amount sent - 0.0015BTC
2 receiving Addresses.
Delay time between the two addresses
~ 6 hours 45 minutes
~ 3 hours 5 minutes

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Pros
● Majority of the previous suggestions and complaints has been corrected already, which shows responsiveness.
● The site synced really well. In real time in recognized the incoming transaction and the confirmation was recorded almost immediately after it got the first confirmation.
● I manually calculated the fees paid along with the final payout and the fee calculator gave the correct figure.
● I monitored the first transaction, it was sent out instantaneously after the delay time elapsed which is a faster response time than some other mixers.
● The transaction was sent with a feerate of 11.4sat/vbyte, which got confirmed at a decent speed. Not too fast or slow for the current network status.
● Using two different explorers, it gave a high privacy rating.

Cons
● The service fee is competitively high. It could be one or two percent lower to attract more users.
● I think there should be an option to manually choose the exact feerate you want on the receiving transaction or to choose between, low, medium or high priority.



I am using microsoft edge version 109.0 on mobile
Security level - Standard
Service fee - 2.20%
Amount sent - 0.0011BTC
1 receiving address
Delay time - 0 hours 16 minutes.

Pros
● The website still worked seamlessly, did not give off the impression that the team was prioritizing the desktop version which I get on many websites, including yours truly.
● Cause there was no much difference all other pros from the first mix apply here.

Cons
● I noticed that the response time was slightly slower on mobile than desktop using the same internet speed (could be from my end, cause I did not clear cache to try again). But the sync time was still decent to record when the transaction was made and confirmed. The desktop view on the mobile phone also worked neatly, although it highlighted the large "play" video just sitting at the center of the screen which I talked about earlier.
● The standard privacy level gave very similar results to the premium which was used in the first mix.

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Suggestions;
The website is great and has improved a lot since it started this review campaign which shows the team is really motivated to work and improve the website, but here are some of my suggestions for how it can be better;


● The letter of guarantee should be highlighted more. It is very easy to miss after using the mixer a couple of times and will save users time if they are always reminded to download it in the event of an order issue.
● I will keep this open and add more suggestions as I mix tweaking the features more.

- Jay -

So here we are,  round 2!

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: Stompix

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Since I was part of the first round I would insist less on the first impression in design and accessibility, not because I feel lazy but because I feel like those things have been already touched and discussed enough and that there is no humongous change that can be done or something of great impact with a real effect on the number of users or user retention, so no point beating a dead horse  and will concentrate my efforts on the two aspects I think are the most important:
- Mixing
- Economics

Before we go full steam to those two there is a thing worth mentioning
- In the first review I was impressed with the speed despite cycling through VPNs, I even mentioned that it was quite an incredible experience after a DDOS attack, well, when I did my test on Saturday it felt sluggish like every action needed a few seconds to really kick in, probably a security measure in place but this was my impression, quit the delay when you mistype the captcha also, and damn all the 2 look like 9 in the one I got!

So straight to Mixing
Since this is also a test and not just a review of look how cool your website is give me money for applauding, and moreover since there were previous issues with the links between mixed transactions I decided to act like the average Joe would when mixing a few coins and see the outcome when doing something not that smart.

I used a few mbits in my personal address that has a history of getting coins from anywhere and decided to split directly from it for two mixing processes:
*Note that I erased the addresses by habit, nothing really worth censoring there but I said since it's mixing afterall..

You will see why I'm combining the result of the mixing for a single conclusion further on!

Number one:  Chrome, over clearnet, premium!

Funding from the personal address used the discount coupon I received in the first review, chose to split over two receiving addresses with really close receiving times, 25.09% to bc* after 103 min., 74.91% to bc* after 209 min,




Number two : Firefox, clearnet , standard!

Funding from the same personal address used the discount coupon again chose to split over two receiving addresses 25.16% to bc* 65 min., 74.84% to bc1* after 152 min.



Need to mention that I did the mixing at almost the same time, choosing the delays to fit quite close to see what kind of risks would the average Joe expose himself while doing this!

And this is the point where, to be honest, I was impressed!

But let's leave the congratulations for a bit later and focus on some issues, the fee tracking is still possible, all for funding tx had 24 and 24.1 sat/b and I think there is something you need to tune on the estimator. Out of 4 one got really close to being optimal, with the lowest fee in the block being 17, the other three overpaid the minim tx by 3x or 4x. But since you're probably emphasizing delivering right on time you have taken this overpayment into account, nevertheless, I would advise on randomization for this, make it like at least 24.7 and 24.1 or 23.9 and 25.2

Now for the results and the congratulations:


*Note that the graph was looking like this somewhere Sunday afternoon, it has grown a lot and I can't really track if there are converging points!

A complete improvement on the previous mixing, I had to go a few steps back to find a link between a branch
The funding to the addresses that sent me the coins happened on the :

• 26 October and 18 October
• 20 October and 25 October
  

Of course, I'm definitely reading what others have done previously and I did check their results, now I don't know if I was just lucky because the amounts I was mixing happened to trigger a different path, there was a change in the algo, other persons where mixing at the same time but I would rate this as pretty good for the average stupid bot that follows transactions up the chain no more than 5 steps. I can find related tracks with a few more steps but, the thing is that I know the ending points for it!

Some sort of rant!
I would not rate the outcome of the premium mixing over the standard and going through the funding chains I would, to be honest rate the standard one as coming from a far more complicated tumbler tree, I don't know if this is because of demand or source of funds but this is the first impression!

Recomdantion:
Do not allow users to select intervals with less than one hour between them, make the system idiot-proof as there at some point there will be guys who will just slide that as close as possible and with a lot of luck in a mining block and a delay of 30-50 minutes to the next one all of them will be bunched in the same block, not really the outcome you want from mixing!

Related low-importance mentions:
I am no fan of AML bots, I completely distrust the score, I even had some issues on this forum when some idiot believed what that bot tagged and decided himslef to tag funds as suspicious when in reality the funds were coming from crypto(dot)com so I will not put that much trust in their score, which, was all over the place! No joke, seriously all over the place so the results are just something to be ignored. The privacy score on blockchair, which I did want to mention, as a further joke, my own address has a privacy score of 2 but the ones being funded from it have an over 60 score, so I would advise anyone not to even look at that thing, it is even more flawed than AML bots which is a feat to be noted!

Economics!

I must say from the start this is the user in me talking although I will try as much as possible to view this from a business side, as I know how hard it is to run one and how costs that rain on you out of the blue give you sleepless nights.

I am against mixing small amounts, I think it's really bad, you end up with small inputs all over that you will make the mistake of consolidating, and you waste money for nothing. Having by chance the opportunity to test the mixing with leftovers just reinforced my opinion, I usually don't pay attention to numbers that far over zero but in this case, I sent ‎0.00564 to get ‎0.004, and this with a discount code, two mixing in 4 outputs from $193 to $138!

Honest recommendation, increase the minimum mixing, this sum it's not worth for money you make as I analyzed on that tree how much you spend on fees alone and it is a bit of a waste. The 0.0002 for each address is another nail in the coffin for a small amount, to which again, I see no purpose to be honest other than testing! Maybe leave this for a while as you gain reputation since no one with a sane mind would bump 5 BTC to a brand new mixing in a single batch but in the long run dump it and raise it at least to 0.005 for each mixing! If somehow BTC goes up to 100k maybe drop it but allowing mixing for $30 is ...

The other part is the fee for each address!
Of course, every user would think about his own money first, but I think there might be some way around it!
Make the charge for 1-3/5 addresses, don't charge for extra addresses over 10, more outputs help the mixing, it gives you an opportunity to use smaller inputs, it will please privacy freaks and will not really affect the average Joe who by default will only use max 2 -3.

The coupon!

This is a sensitive and personal issue as others have mentioned.
I am grateful for the 50% discount received, I do understand what hit you're looking at since we talk about 2.5% for a premium, for one BTC  at current rates its nearly one grand but I am a bit uncertain of really using it. It's a matter of trust and this is an opinion, if I am going to cycle sums worth mentioning from a casino through one or two mixers till it hits my cold storage, I would probably take the 2.5% hit myself or just go for the standard cheaper option and not put a tracking thing on it.

Don't take me wrong on this but it's a thing of trust, we all trusted CM, I was in a sig campaign for them for what, 5 years, I don't even remember, I trusted them with my coins, and then when s*** hit the fan, to find out that 7 terabytes of data have been seized. Where it just nodes? Where it actual logs? Was it porn?
Nobody knows but we're circling to the first issue, trust, and trust after all these experiences it's a bit hard to gain, especially in this type of business!

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: umeridrees

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I decided to review the mixer on two browsers on my Windows 10 computer.
1-Chrome  (Standard Mixing)
2- Firefox.  (Premium Mixing)

For the first one, I did a standard mixing on chrome and then i did a premium mixing using the firefox browser. Although both the processes were smooth, however i will discuss the pro and cons of using this service.

Mixing #1

Browser: Chrome
Security Level: Standard
The amount that i sent: 0.002 BTC
The amount i should receive:- 0.001763 BTC as shown by the Fee Calculator
My Receiving address:  bc1qy4yt2qdaflkhz56yfvs0uy0hdpkxckhujukt7a

Since i used a single address, the time it showed me 3hrs and 8 mins by default. Also i noticed that below 1.8% the security level will be Basic, since i opted for a standard level, i choose the service fee as 1.85%.
Also i adjusted the delay to 5 mins and the Anonymizing meter showed it a fair one. Above 1 hr, it was showing as a good, fair enough in my opinion.

Before sending, i noticed that there is a time limit to the mixer deposit address of 24 hours, so i checked the mempool to get the latest update on the fee, so i do not set too low fee. I wonder what happen if some sends a too low fee and the transcation is not confirmed in 24 hrs ?


I send  0.002 BTC to the mixer generator address bc1qhephjkdfrp5rhkl6254ahnyfrqf3xqjtrpu2nt
Tx ID: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/9e31f8f099e9b8a7d8aa3c648e49b6dcf5558c21520bbd9d739e17fcdc46414f

https://[banned mixer]/order#A7UH7CG8-3JNKG0



Although i set a delay of 5 minutes, it took little longer than that to get my coins mix, approx 7-8 mins or so. However the quantity receive was exactly as calculated before in the fee calculator.




My receving tx is https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/ea64ae3f15ad4ab940eb744f1146c09db3ca78a60f0d8113eb080a6fdaeb07ce

The transaction fee here was 24 v/bytes which is overpaid a lot.

I got my coins from this sending address: bc1qwvl5tv7ldh5cgzt8j8lzhnv4l9gtunx8266kx9


I check the privacy at transcation at Blockchair and it showed 100% privacy health.


Before moving to the next address, i tried to explorer this address from where i received my mixed coins
bc1qwvl5tv7ldh5cgzt8j8lzhnv4l9gtunx8266kx9 and i found that this address by funded by 12kvS1EWnQTQBgvwwsaMPbzypQRXebubuL which had the balance around 10 BTC and had recived 423 BTC. I don't know if this should be a concern  





Mixing #2

Browser: Firefox
Security Level: Premium
The amount that i sent: 0.002 BTC
The amount i should receive:- 0.0017272 BTC as shown by the Fee Calculator
My Receiving address: bc1qqn03yuz9hhc3zryrkm2t7e4qfzyxcudlda9vj3
Service fee:3.64%
Delay: 15 mins

This time i send 0.002 BTC to the mixer generated address :- bc1qfyhsjad6fcke86x5fu3h90tv0xtkphkch9n3u2
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/775509f5f3b3e8a6055d5fed47ddd686ceb57fd71b2cae4b36be90c779c9000c

https://[banned mixer]/order#XFADI2HU-39EBWG




My receving tx is https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/1b4cfc4e4d10cfe0610a99408b8b6564897f8ec90f2f8377d2ec0b9df315fea8

The transaction fee here was 24 v/bytes which is again overpaid and same as the previous. I wonder if they have set a 24 sat to be the bydefault fee ?

I got my coins from this sending address: bc1qgwsjux3zhxdj0qz4w6gzyx024vh5sre70m2yhh


I check the privacy at transcation at Blockchair and it showed 100% privacy health. Good one.
I tried to explorer the sending address but nothing found by me, so i can say no issues detected. Maybe becasue i am using the premium mixing this time.


General Observations and suggestions:-

1- I deliberately entered the Captcha wrong, however, it took some time (more than a few seconds) to let me know that the captcha i entered is incorrect. Although not a big deal, but the response time can be increased.

2- The security level can only be selected by move the slide bar. At first, when i used this mixer, i was wondering how to change it from Standard to basic or premium and later realized that it has to do with the movement of the slider bar. Perhaps a drop down box in front of "Security level" can be a good idea.

3- The mixer generated address is valid for 24 hours. Since mempool becomes congested sometimes, it may be good to increase the timer. and what happens if the transcation is not confirmed within 24 hrs ?

4- Downloading the letter of grantee is optional, why not make it mandatory? This is my suggestion as this will help those who are mixing. Normally people will ignore and not download the letter of grantee once they feel comfortable with the mixer after using it multiple times. (maybe ask to tick in the checkbox that the letter of grantee is downloaded before proceeding ? )

5- One thing which I had no clue of is this tumbler code for the next order shown when the order is finished. Do we need to keep it save and input it in the next order? Without this code, privacy may be effected? I think you should add a note feature explaining the purpose of this code.

6- Tumbler does keep the log / order history for 24 hours. Some other mixers like Sinbad not keep it at all.
However good thing is that for those who want to delete, they have the option to delete it immediately.

7- For every receiving address, I would have to pay 0.002 BTC fee, this could add up considerably if the receiving address is more and the amount to mix is less. Maybe the fee can be decreased dynamically for each receiving address?

Good things And final thoughts

1 -Clean and easy to use website interface. Didn't have unnecessary graphics to distract the users.

2- Good solid mixing experience. No long delays or bugs were found in the mixing process.

3- The fee calculator accurately calculates the fees.

4- Easily adjustable service fees and Delays

My experience with the mixer was a good one, especially when I used the premium mixer I was much satisfied with the results. Will use it for my mixing purposes and share if I find anything new.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: Trofo

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This is my second review of [banned mixer] so I have tried another two browsers Opera and Pale Moon. Again page looked ok in both and I had no problems. I have read some of the other reviews and answers provided by the team and they cover most of my points from the first try. Not gonna repeat myself so this will be a bit shorter review focused mainly on Tumbler code for next order.

My first mix was standard security with fast return of funds while my second one was premium with almost max delay.






Everything passed as expected and without any issues.

Used my 50% off discount for both mixes and it worked perfectly.



After mixing I checked receiving coins and there weren't any red flags apparent to me. So I suppose mixing was done well enough. My coins were also accepted without any problems on services I used them later on.



Tumbler code for next order.
This is the part that makes me feel like it is a giant privacy problem and one I will focus in my review
1. I know this is just testing phase, but still it shouldn't be probable that I receive my own coins back and that I have to use code to avoid that.
2. How does that work if I mix 3 times? I always get just one code. What is guarantee that if I use code from Mix 2 when doing Mix 3 I will not get coins I sent in Mix? Does the code stack up (code after Mix 2, has code from Mix 1 included as well) for future mixes? Doubt it. If it does it means you are keeping records which is again privacy issue.
3. I have 50% off from my first review. I don't see a way to use discount code and code for the next order at the same time. Maybe we should get separate box to input that one?
4. Isn't 50% discount lifetime a big privacy risk? Where are codes stored from Tumbler side? What if the get out one day? Don't just say impossible, leaks happen all the time or authorities can find ways to make companies give over data. All my mixes will be connected trough that one code.

My remarks:
I wrote last time that I would like to get a link to how the mixing works internally on site when I am using it. That is not for everybody but advanced users would probably like to take a peak. Tumbler code is a big unknown for me and if I had to use Tumbler for actual real world reasons I would never use my 50% discount. It isn't explained properly and at the moment I don't know what kind of explanation you could provide that I would say, ok that is perfectly safe then. Seems to me that privacy in mixing is much more important that any discounts and I would work toward excluding anything that help connect customers with transactions in the future.

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Note to Royse and Tumbler

I am aware this review is shorter and maybe not up to the my usual standards on first look. It is intentionally written that way since all other comments I had previously or would make now have already been addressed by the team and other reviewers and I see no point in repeating them. I concentrated on one point I did not see raised so far which bothers me a lot from privacy view. I am not doing this for the money, I genuinely want to see best possible crypto services and I have no problem if you feel this review is not worth the reward.

bc1q7avzar9er75wtjmxmxn5ah2rsxgk3qu2jf3dpe

Accepted for group#2. Please submit your review before the deadline (given on the spreadsheet)

Ratimov and TryNinja please feel free to start your review. I will need bech32 address from you two.

We are CFNP in this campaign now.

Bitcointalk username: Harkorede
Bitcointalk Rank: Hero Member
Lifetime earned merit: 759
Bech32 address: bc1qaxtu60ryrd0sy9v4478ll0t2wjlvmhya23hh3n

Yea, it is redirecting to twitter now. As at when I was reviewing the site, it gave a warning to close all sessions when I clicked it.

This might not be a trouble to you because you know BTT. A random user might... Besides, I once stumbled on a thread proposing logo for bitcointalk rather than using the general bitcoin logo. It was during the review I appreciated the thread.
When I clicked the bitcoin logo, I expected two things; either to be taken to a bitcoin wallet or to be given a random bitcoin by [banned mixer]  It could literarily mean anything relating to bitcoin. Anyways, that isn't a big issue.[/list]

Yeah. I saw that part of his review too and was confused.  When I went to the Tumber site, it looked fine to me, so thought maybe there was some bug before that Tumber has fixed in the meantime.

Also dont really get the complaint about the BitcoinTalk link. I feel like the Bitcoin logo makes perfect sense there.  No reason to change it to something more confusing when the logo is so familiar already. Using BTT abbreviation  instead could definitely throw some people off.

This "X" is a new Twitter logo, and here on the Tumbler site, it does not have the function of closing the page. I just checked it myself on a mobile device and clicking on the X takes me to the [banned mixer] Twitter account. Maybe it confused you because a new page opens automatically when you click, that is, the Twitter application.
Just close it and you will be returned to the [banned mixer] site.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: Igebotz

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The website overview:

This is my first review of this project and my first visit; the UI/UX design is extremely nice, easy to browse, and the option to change between dark and white mode is what initially draws my attention. Because the other mixers I use do not have this option, you have a +1 edge.


Mixing experience

#Mix 1
Browser used: Mozilla Firefox Browser
version: 118.0.1 ( old version)
system: 64-bit
security level: Basic
Receiving address(s): 1
Amount mixed: 0.003BTC
service fees: 1.76%
order ID: VAGL4GVP-6HL***
Delay time. 59mins


#mix 2
Browser used: Brave Browser
version: Version: 1.3.361.133
system: 64-bit
security level: Premium
Receiving address(s): 1
Amount mixed:  0.003BTC
service fees: 5%
Order ID: 9OJ66AOD-3WM***
Delay time. 1hr:30mins


The process runs smoothly on both browsers, as I had no issues with the site while using these browsers with VPN, but where I had some issues, which is not something I would have done, if I wasn't an experienced user, I would have moved on to the next available mixer that doesn't require me to set up my own mix manually. I'm the type of user who wants whatever I'm paying for to be set up automatically without my intervention (and perhaps an edit button for those who prefer to put it up manually). If I'm paying for the premium service, I expect the system to recommend the ideal mixing time and anonymity level for what I'm paying for rather than requiring me to set it up manually. What's the point of paying for Premium if I can still choose my own level of anonymity? As previously said, a newbie with little experience will ultimately hit a roadblock here.




Letter of Guarantor

The way it's been placed is similar to other mixers I've used, and the way it's been placed one may easily forget to download it; it should be programmed in such a way that downloading it is mandatory before starting to mix. If you want to be the champion in this field, you must do things differently from your competition.

Mixing fees


The premium 5% fees is unusually high; most mixers' higher max is 2.5% - 3%. My current mixer charges a maximum of 2.5%, so why should I pay 5% for your premium service when I am able to pay half that fee elsewhere? What distinguishes your premium service from the competition? This is an honest question, and I need to be convinced of the need to pay 5% for your premium service.

FAQ

I'm not a native English speaker, but I could tell right away that there was a grammatical issue since the original sentence makes no sense. nothing kills me more than grammatical error on a huge project like this. fix it up



Support.

I got into some minor trouble and chatted with support, it took them some time to respond back after I submitted my letter of guarantor for verification, and when they finally responded, he/she stayed up with me and was very helpful and made everything very clear to me, i got my initial deposit below the minimum deposit back despite a mistake on my end, i input the wrong digit despite it being clearly stated that a deposit below the minimum will be considered as a donation. I'm not sure why you guys didn't follow through on that; I was delighted to get my coin back, but rules are rules, and if you don't have the courage to follow them, don't make them in the first place. That's my principle

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Conclusion/recommendation

The site is quick and simple to use, and aside from a few minor issues that I raised, the mixer market is fiercely competitive, and you don't want to leave any stone unattended. Take into account any recommendations and concerns offered.  I'll try it again in a month and then provide honest feedback on Project ANN. Goodluck. This is all for now.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: examplens

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I looked at your reports about the changes you implemented and possibly those you don't want to change, which were suggested in the previous review campaign. So I won't go back much on the already mentioned problems here.
I also understood that you give priority to suggestions, so I won't deal with much, we praise what I am satisfied with. And there are a lot of good things here  

Website design and usability

- I noticed that you do not have a custom error 404 page created, as part of an SEO strategy it is desirable to have that.
- I won't dwell too much on this, but I would like to see a bit more contrast in the dark mode
- Is there a possibility to add a paste from the clipboard button in this address box? I think it would make it easier to use, especially for users with mobile devices. (you already have a copy from the clipboard button in the deposit address field)



- A similar option copy transaction ID in clipboard would be welcome in order review if someone still wants to check their transaction further



- I would add a fee calculator on the fee page. The calculator is available only after starting the mixing process and solving the captcha, so why not make it available to new visitors who want to first research all about your service.
- Hint clouds are a bit complicated, actually their closure. If you open two or more, they must be closed only in the reverse order, and only by clicking on the question mark icon. I tried this on a mobile device as well, it could have become almost frustrating.



- I would add in the FAQ that the mixing time starts from the moment of the first confirmation. It seems banal, but for example, the fee varied quite a bit during my process, so the first confirmation came with a lot of delay. Even though your timer works almost perfectly, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone complaining about the delay of your service, while sending Bitcoin at 2 satoshis per byte.
- I am surprised that you maintain the position that a thread on Bitcointalk is sufficient for support. This is one of the good solutions, but if a potential new user gets stuck with a problem, he has to go through registration on the forum (which he may not have wanted). But what if he encounters an additional problem with registration on the forum, he will feel cheated. It is a very realistic scenario, you can find out more here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/remove-proxyban-evil-fees-whitelisted-for-free-my-list-5350381
- Support chat looks fun, I like it, but as a solution, it seems slow. For example, I sent a request and received a uniform response that I might have to wait 12 hours. If I have a problem and my funds are stuck with you, I might start to panic. Of course, I won't sit next to the chat for 12 hours, but what if someone calls while I'm away, I'll wait for 12 hours again.
- So, one more support channel is probably mandatory.
- Set up a Twitter account or remove it from the page.

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Mixing

- For the first mixing, I used the Opera One(version: 103.0.4928.34) browser
- I used Basic security level, and P2SH as the final destination address
- I think I already suggested this. Without downloading the letter of guarantee, it should not be possible to continue the whole process. I'm sure some don't understand the importance of that.
- In the whole process, I did not come across any unclear steps and everything went without any ambiguities.



- Although it's not a big deal, Blockchair found a privacy issue (I saw that you already shared their report)

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- Of course, I did the second mixing using the TOR site
- Now, I use the PREMIUM security level, using two deposit addresses, one bech32 and one taproot.
- I used the mixing code obtained in the previous review campaign and after checking, I did not manage to find a connection with my previous coins, nor in the other transaction.
- Although it is a premium level, I still expected a higher level of anonymity. It is very easy to connect that I received bitcoins from the same source at both addresses. This needs to be improved.



- I'm not sure if it's because I put too short a time gap between the two addresses for the deposit delay. Maybe I should try again, the first transaction to be after 30 minutes and the second after 70 hours. Would that change the matter? If this has an impact, you should mention it during mixing or at least in the FAQ section.
- I think I saw your statement somewhere that you will use all types of addresses to increase the level of anonymity, but on your side, I didn't notice you using any other than bech32. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

I can't resist the feeling that I forgot to write something.   When I remember, I will probably continue in the ANN thread

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It was really fun for me to participate in your campaigns, I hope you got useful suggestions.
Good luck with your business.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: Stalker22

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Bitcoin mixers, or tumblers as some call them, have turned into a must-have tool for peeps who wanna keep their business on the down-low when they are doing transactions with Bitcoin.  In this review, I am gonna explore [banned mixer], one of the newer Bitcoin mixer services out there nowadays. I didnt participate in the first review campaign, so this will be my first time giving them a go.

Now Im no expert, but I know my way around Bitcoin mixers, and I used them quite a few in the past. From what I can tell [banned mixer] seems like a decent way to mix your Bitcoins if you're worried about prying eyes.  Their setup looks slick and they got all the standard mixing options youd expect. I gave their randomize feature a test run with a few tiny payments and it did a nice job shuffling my coins around before sending them back to my wallet. There is still room for improvement, though.

Security and anonymity:

[banned mixer] is a pretty new Bitcoin mixing service. According to whois data, the domain was registered over five years ago, with the registration expiring in 2026. However, profiles on bitcointalk.org and X (formerly Twitter) platforms were created only in September 2023. The Wayback Machine internet archive does not have previous archived versions of the website. The site uses a free Let's Encrypt SSL certificate and relies on JavaScript for site functionality, but I did not notice calls to third-party sites, which is a good thing. They also provide a .onion mirror link for the TOR network, which is almost a mandatory requirement for anyone who values their online privacy and anonymity.

Reliability:

Although it is a relatively new mixer service, and they still dont have a history or reputation that we can take into account, all reviews and user comments so far have been mostly positive. And the service does not have any apparent red flags that we should watch out for. They have active customer support on the site and their representative on the bitcointalk seems knowledgeable and willing to help. For now, it is a good way to start a new business, and the reputation will come with time.

User Experience:

Alright, so let me talk about using this Bitcoin mixer/tumbler. Sometimes, it can be a bit confusing to use these type of services for the first time, especially if you are new to the whole crypto mixing game. However, the good news is that this is not the case with [banned mixer].
 
First off, The user interface on [banned mixer] is clean, intuitive, and user-friendly. They offer the flexibility of selecting from eight different languages, which can be very helpful if English is not your strong point. [banned mixer] also includes an FAQ section, which addresses the most common questions users might have.

The actual mixing process on [banned mixer] is a breeze, involving just five simple steps:

1. Completing the captcha security code.
2. Filling in the necessary order details, which includes an optional Tumbler code, specifying receiving addresses, and selecting the service fee and delay.
3. Agreeing with the terms of service.
4. Creating the order and executing the deposit.
5. Completing the mixing process.

User support:

[banned mixer] offers on-site support through a contact form, allowing users to address any issues or inquiries they may have. Furthermore, you can reach out to their team via BitcoinTalk and Twitter platforms.

Integration with different browsers:

The service is compatible with different web browsers. When evaluating the service, I used four different web browsers (including mobile and TOR browser) and did not encounter any compatibility issues.


Mixing process:

Mix 1
Browser: Tor Browser 13.0.1 (based on Mozilla Firefox 115.4.0)
Order ID: UP5VHAK8-6117ET
Receiving address(es): 1
Security level: Basic
Service fee: 0.44%
Delay: 16 min



Mix 2
Browser: Google Chrome Version 107 (portable version on an old Win7 laptop)
Receiving address(es): 2
Security level: Standard
Service fee: 1.8%
Delay: 0min / 10 min

Mix 3
Browser: Google Chrome Version 118 (mobile Android 13 version)
Receiving address(es): 1
Security level: Premium
Service fee: 3.6%
Delay: 0min

Price and fees:

Flexible Fees - Tumbler. io lets users pick different fees to get more anonymity. The fee structure starts at a minimum of 0.4% for the Basic Level, goes up to 3.6% for the Premium Level, and caps at a maximum fee of 5%. Additionally, a fixed fee of 0.0002 BTC is added to the dynamic portion for each receiving address.

The variable part is pretty good compared to other mixers - one of the best deals out there.  But that 20,000 satoshi fixed fee per address seems a bit high to me. If you are mixing smaller amounts, it could take a huge bite out of your deposit.  

Overall experience

All my mixing processes went smoothly and without errors, no matter what device or web browser I used. The site is very responsive so it displays well on different screen sizes. I like that the system detects the transaction immediately after the coins are sent and the mixing starts immediately after the first confirmation. The only thing I noticed was that for all outgoing transactions, the transaction fee was significantly higher than what the network required at that moment. I suggest you address this issue and find more efficient methods to estimate fees, which would ultimately help you save on the transaction fees you pay.

Positive Points:

• User-Friendly Experience. The website is intuitive and straightforward.
• The website performs impressively well, even when accessed through Tor.
• The GUI is sleek and well-designed, making navigation a breeze.
• Multilingual Support. This is a big plus for those who prefer to interact in their native language.
• The feature to "delete immediately" for completed orders is a welcome addition.
• The dynamic fee structure is highly competitive compared to other mixers.
• The minimum deposit requirement is quite reasonable, allowing users with various budgets to take advantage of the service.

Negative Points:

• Not a big fan of the fixed BTC fee for each withdrawal address. This may not be ideal for users making multiple smaller transactions.
• There is no easyway to retrieve an old order if you accidentally close the page.
• The website needs clearer explanations about "Tumbler code." How it works and what information the system stores.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: KingsDen

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Firstly, I really commend Royse777 and the [banned mixer] team for the initiative of double review of the [banned mixer] mixer project. This is a clear indication that [banned mixer] is really prepared to give her best to the bitcoin community and all who will use their services. The end product of these reviews will be excellence because; What the first set of reviewers observed are corrected and returned for further review and whatever is not captured in the first review will definitely be captured in the second.
On sensing the uniqueness of this review, I decided not to read through the review of others in order to come up with something unique as regards my experience in the [banned mixer] mixer compared with other mixers I have used.

I made the whole review from mobile, since I have been away from home for over 4 days. Having known that more than 55% internet traffic come from mobile phones, so it is not an error to review from the mobile. Reviewing from  Xiaomi phone of 6.97 inches.

• [banned mixer] mobile UI is awesome. The are no shouty colours which makes me to spend very limited time on websites. The position of the dark/light switch is cool as it is always hidden in some websites, that I will begin to wish it was dark by default.
• The user friendliness of the website is top-notch. The only requirement is just to know how to scroll, next and back, you are good to go.
• Another plus is the "Mix Now" button available at every page. Not to make us forget the reason we visited the website.
• In the image below, there are places to paste multiple output addresses. Will it be possible to have code scanner there, incase one may not copy and paste.
  
• The font of the bulb icon on the mobile view should be reduced. It's making that particular page not fully mobile responsive unless you switch to landscape.
  
• At the footer of the homepage, I saw the "X" icon, I didn't know what is was doing there until I clicked it and discovered it is a close icon. It will be fine that you use the word "CLOSE" in red colour as the icon doesn't sooth there. It looks like a social media handle icon. Again, the BTC logo representing the bitcointalk community is confusing. I didn't have the idea of what I was going to meet till I clicked it. It might be better if you replace it with BTT and then include other social media handles to make it a natural contac-us page.
  

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  1.5 CHANGES TO THESE TERMS
  "The Service" may change the "Terms and Conditions", including as a result of changes in functions, technology or any law or regulation to which "The Service" is subject, and/or for any other reason. If "The Service" does this, the updated "Terms and Conditions" will be published on the website, including the date of the "Last Update" will be replaced with the corresponding one. ...If You do not accept the adjusted "Terms and Conditions", You must stop using "The Service", otherwise the liability rules set out in Section 1.2 will apply.
  If there is an updated ToS, it should read "New ToS' such that if not checked, the user cannot continue using the service. Casinos are used to manipulating the ToS against gamblers, although that is not popular among mixers
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  YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT "THE SERVICE" DOES NOT GUARANTEE A SUFFICIENT LEVEL OF ANONYMITY FOR THE USER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, AS THE ANONYMITY OF THE USER IS HIGHLY DEPENDENT ON OTHER CONCURRENT ACTIONS OF THE USER.
  I read this more than 5 times without proper understanding of it. The essence of using mixers is for anonymity. How then will a mixer tell say that they do not guarantee my anonymity. This is a disclaimer of your core goal. What concurrent actions of the user can we note please?

• Can I pay as I wish?
• Does [banned mixer] support randomisation of addresses?
• What Browsers do you support?  
• Do I need to register in order to mix?  
• Can I mix to my CEX account?

You need to send a message before you see an option for live support. How about if I get the live chat on a go?
My experience with the support wasn't bad as the support was very responsive. After first mixing from my wallet, I decided to perform second mix from a CEX. Due to I am not used to sending coins from CEX, I thought the high transfer fee would be charged from my balance , not knowing it would be charged from the outgoing BTC. This made me send BTC that is below the min deposit of the mixer.
The support requested to refund me either through the deposit address or any of the recieving addresses and I was refunded.
It is good to note that I had to provide my letter of guarantee to enable customer care handle my case and I also had to copy the support link to continue chat without opening another ticket.
Note: The guarantee letter is important. I wouldn't advice you continue mixing if you cannot download the guarantee letter.

The message subject is predefined. Maybe to enable the sorting of the complaints to different support team members. But I always like open ended subject. And again, when the chat with support wanted to get confusing, I scrolled up to reply/emphasize one particular message, but there was no provision to quote and reply a particular message. That will be fine to ease communication since typing is the only approved means of communication.

• Speed : The longer the mix delay, the better the anonymity, but the longer the process of mixing, the more risk of exposure. Tumbler got a balance by letting you control this yourself.
• Fees : The fees are fair and within the range of the general mixer fee  
• Anonymity : Good, and also depends on the actions of the user in terms of parameter settings  
• Number of pay out addresses  : Excellent, user controls time delay among addresses
• Security : It is not only about mixing your bitcoin, but also the guarantee of getting your bitcoin back. [banned mixer] is a new player in BTT community,  but they got a positive start in the bitcoin community which is an indication of reliability. However, time will tell
• Withdrawal delay : Good because it is user controlled
• Support: In the trustless technology, you atleast need someone to talk with when things go wrong. [banned mixer] support is active
• Onion support: [banned mixer] supports privacy browsing, which is a big plus  

• Upto 10 withdrawal addresses  
• Pay as you wish  
• No registration before mixing  
• 0.001 min deposit
• User controlled mixing time
• Availability of mixing code to avoid the return of your coin
• No logs policy
• Fair pricing  
• Customisation of mixing parameters
• Letter of guarantee
• Active support
• Multilingual  

Browser: Chrome
Security level: Basic
Output: One address
Fee: 1.09%
Experience: It was a good experience as everything went smooth. The parameters displayed on the site matched with the real life experience of mixing. The only place I had a challenge was sending bitcoin from my wallet to the site, which failed countless times.
But it was resolved as soon as I updated my wallet.
The whole process completed by 2hrs 43mins


Browser: Opera
Security level: Premium
Output: Two addresses
Fee: 3.60%
Experience: This wasn't as seamless as the first mix because I tried sending BTC from the exchange and I got high fee which made the BTC fall below the minimum required by Tumbler. I had to begin chat with the support. Although, it is part of the experience of the review. But a reminder to send slightly above the minimum requirements would have saved me the stress

• It will be fine if [banned mixer] can state in clear terms the relationship between the amount of fees paid, the delay in mixing and level of anonymity to be attained
• In the future there might be a need to implement a very new thing in mixing bitcoin which I haven't seen other mixers do before. Something like recommending the right parameters of mixing and the data to recommend will come from the reply of the questionnaire given to the user. This might not be necessary for expert users but newbies might like it to be able to know the right parameters to use. If this make sense, I will be able to provide more insight. Else, it should be discarded.

I had an awesome experience using this mixer. Thanks Royse777 for the opportunity to review this mixer. It has made me discover a new place to mix with ease and from henceforth I will keep using and reviewing this project. I intentionally didn't write any subheading as CONS of the project because the PROS overwhelmed the cons by a larger percentage. Then, there are some important information that should be available to anyone before they mix. Information as;

• The importance of letter of guarantee
• The importance of mixing code
• How necessary it is to deposit above the minimum deposit  

Welldone [banned mixer], I have seen your avatar contest, signature design contest, this shows you will launch your signature campaign soonest. I wish you the best.

In order to review the [banned mixer] I used three different browsers to test the mixer. I used Microsoft Edge Version 118.0.2088.61 for 1st mixing test, Tor Version 12.5.5 for 2nd mixing test, and Firefox Version 119 for 3rd mixing test. I have viewed the pages first in all of the browsers and checked the UI of the website before doing any mixing and I can say that the site loaded flawlessly, and the UI was professionally made. I used premium mixing security level two times as that one was mandatory for the review so I thought why not to use it for both tests and I used standard security level for the third mixing test. The mixing process went smoothly without any issues with two browsers but in third browser and I had encountered a minor issue.


The [banned mixer] is a mixer site that’s for the users who want to have untraceable Bitcoin transactions. The [banned mixer] provides solutions for the users who want to mix up their Bitcoin and make those untraceable. The main purpose of such mixers is to increase the anonymity of the coins so no one can trace that who owns those coins. The [banned mixer] works in the simplest way possible, and the site offers 3 simple steps to make your coins untraceable. The step-1 is to deposit your Bitcoin into the deposit address that [banned mixer] generates for you, and in the step-2 the [banned mixer] mix up your Bitcoin for you and in step-3 they will send the untraceable Bitcoin into your wallet address or addresses that you added as receiving address or addresses during the mixing process. All of those steps are explained in [banned mixer]’s site in detail so I won’t go deep to explain those in details in this review. The minimum deposit for using of [banned mixer]’s mixing service is 0.001 BTC and the minimum service fee is 0.4% which is really impressive. They promise smart anonymity and they claim that no-one will be able to trace the mixed coins and the coins won’t be linked with the coins that the user deposits.


First of all I must say that the design of the [banned mixer] is quite impressive and it’s better than other mixers in design and loading speeds. Another important thing I noticed is the loading speed of the site, it’s way faster in loading than other competitors because other mixing sites take a lot of time to load on Tor browser but [banned mixer] loads instantly. The design of the site is professionally made and I haven’t noticed any lag whatsoever when browsing the site on Microsoft Edge and on Tor but it was a little bit slow on Firefox. The site offers dark mode and that’s also pretty interesting but I mostly use light mode and that’s why I just used dark mode for testing purpose only but still I can say that dark mode is working perfectly.


The site is available in 8 languages at the time which include English, German, Italian, Russian, French, Japanese, Chinese, and Spanish. The home page of the site loads instantly and the animations appear quickly which is a very positive experience for the users. I have loaded each page of the [banned mixer] including the Support page and I can surely say that the loading speeds of the site are unmatched and no competitor is able to offer such speeds on their sites. The design of the site is eye-catching and everything works flawlessly without any issue. I must say thumbs up for [banned mixer] team for making their site very responsive and eye-catching and user-friendly.


For this mixing I used Edge browser and I used Premium security level at [banned mixer] and set the fee to highest in order to see how it works. For this mixing I sent 0.00102 BTC and I used two receiving addresses for the test. I put the delay of 1 hour and 33 minutes and 51.87% for 1st address and 2 hour 9 minutes and 48.13% for 2nd address. I didn’t applied any Tumbler code this time because I haven’t mixed my coins before with [banned mixer] and after selecting the delay and percentage allocation I was about to receive 0.000569 BTC according to the estimator of [banned mixer] and I selected continue to further proceed the mixing process.


On next page I got the deposit address and a letter of guarantee and I downloaded the letter of guarantee and checked it thoroughly and proceeded with depositing. As soon as I received a confirmation the [banned mixer] prepared the order without any delay and then I waited to see the completion of the mixing. Once the mixing was finished I copied the Tumbler code in order to apply it on my next mixing.


For this mixing I sent 0.00102 BTC from this address bc1qm34lsc65zpw79lxes69zkqmk6ee3ewf0j77s3h to this wallet address bc1qg8vu7p2peh9gd2maxdk8xvm2hgzpmjgujw2cml which was generated by [banned mixer] and I used bc1qthppcsr6gtq929tkdfvsmfpt7shem3skfsyta7 as 1st address and bc1q8n5j8qce8kkzrecl978lfdclf000lgzwjcv2td as 2nd address.

I would say that the [banned mixer] has done the job in the best way possible and there were no problems during mixing and after mixing so I guess anyone can use it without any worries. I’m not a chain analyst or expert at tracing Bitcoin transactions but I tried every possible way to see if I can find a trace of my own coins but surprisingly I wasn’t able to see any trace of my coins. The coins I received were totally different from the coins that I deposited. The mixer has really done its job professionally and I would say that premium mixing at [banned mixer] works in the best way possible. The fees were a little bit higher for such level of mixing and the fee of 0.0002 BTC for each receiving address is high I guess and I recommend [banned mixer] to reduce it in order to get more users on their site.



Once my first mix was completed I began my second mixing test and for this test I used Tor browser version 12.5.5 and set the security level to Premium once again this time but with 3.69% as fee instead of 5%. For testing the [banned mixer] on Tor I used the onion version of it. The experience was similar to the clear net version and I had no lagging issues or whatsoever. I used my previous [banned mixer] code in order to avoid getting my own previous coins after the mix and for this test I used a single receiving address only.

Once again I deposited 0.00102 BTC for this test and selected delay time of 2 hour and 59 minutes for this mixing my estimated receiving amount was 0.0078236 BTC and clicked on continue button in order to proceed further. I agreed to the terms and conditions and proceeded to next step of mixing. I downloaded the letter of guarantee once again and gave it a reading. And now I left the mixing process in background and opened it after approximately 3 hours and it was completed successfully. Once again I was amazed with the results of the mixing as it ran flawlessly in background and was completed successfully.

For this mixing I used b75af2768d256bf50346f393d4c40ddf as order code which I got from my previous mixing and I sent 0.00102 BTC from these addresses bc1qm34lsc65zpw79lxes69zkqmk6ee3ewf0j77s3h and bc1qm34lsc65zpw79lxes69zkqmk6ee3ewf0j77s3h to this deposit address bc1qsmx6q29hpzvjde3f085vp58c7gyknmd7l88l92 which was generated by [banned mixer] for mixing purpose and I used bc1qe504atequqk7d6e2f8sywa0hvhha542r9fdpg8 as receiving address.


I tried to trace the address once again in block explorer and I can surely say that it had no connection with my previous coins that I sent for my first mixing. The [banned mixer]’s claims are 100% accurate about the use of code and I confirmed it myself. Although the mixing was done in 3 hours only but still I can say that anonymity levels of the mixing was pretty good and it won’t be easy for anyone to trace it. However, I recommend [banned mixer] team once again to reduce the fee for generation of additional receiving address as the anonymity level will increase very much when multiple receiving addresses are used and with low fee the users will most probably choose multiple addresses instead of one address.

The low fee will allow the users to add more receiving addresses and that will surely add additional anonymity into the process of mixed coins. However, the anonymity levels are still quite good even with two addresses and that’s more than enough for most users who want their coins mixed. I’m quite sure that it would be difficult for normal tech users to trace the users even if the users have used single or multiple addresses however, I don’t know that which technology chain analysis companies use and that’s why I can’t say anything about their tracing levels. But, I still think that they may not be able to trace the users who use [banned mixer]’s Premium security level for mixing of their coins.


This is the third time I'm using the [banned mixer] mixer and this time I used Firefox to test the mixing of the platform. In this test the Captcha page was a little bit lagging for me but I was able to enter the captcha code without any errors. This time I went with Standard mixing security level instead of Premium and I set the fee at 1.85% for this test. The order details page was smooth once again and I was able to thick the terms & conditions without any problem but when I clicked on continue button to go to the next page I got an error.


After that error I refreshed the page and I was taken to "in progress page" without any changes and I continued the mixing by entering 0.00102 BTC for the test and sent Bitcoin to the address provided by [banned mixer]. For this testing I didn't use any order code and I sent 0.00102 Bitcoin to this address bc1q4tp0rf08h8uv907lnayq2mvvzjstulgdqv2hgw and used the following two as receiving addresses bc1qlczvwvjhngzf689qrg9t0unjgcle6mw282c3wx and bc1qd08zfk3cv04vqr6cgl6y27sax77p2rdelkack3 and set the delay of 68 minutes for 1st receiving address and 98 minutes for 2nd receiving address. The process went smoothly once again and I received my mixed coins on time without any delays. The [banned mixer] has done the job in the best way once again and I tried to see that the coins had any connection with my coins but once again it was a smooth mixing without any tracing details.



1. I recommend [banned mixer] to fix the typo error in languages. When you click on languages you see Germany instead of German which I guess is a typo that needs to be fixed by the [banned mixer] team.


2. Another suggestion I want to give to [banned mixer] team is to reduce the fee of the additional addresses for the users who make minimum deposit as that will be very competitive for other competitors. However, other those I haven’t faced any issue with [banned mixer] and my experience with this mixer went pretty smoothly.

The [banned mixer] delivered their what they promised and I was quite impressed by using this mixer. The mixer that [banned mixer] has made is surely somewhat different from other mixers and the best thing I noticed about them is their site's design, user-friendliness, and fast loading speeds. I must say that it's the most responsive mixer for the users who want to mix their coins on Tor. Overall, I have spend two days with this mixer and I can surely say that it was a great user experience and I hope that Tumbler team will consider my suggestions.

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: internetional

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Why do people need mixers

Since the widespread adoption of the Lightning Network, the need for mixers as a way to obscure information about where and how many bitcoins I transfer has diminished. Now, if I require privacy regarding bitcoin spending directions, I simply place my bitcoins in a payment channel, and no one can see how I spend them. Lightning Network is faster than mixers and more secure (with no trust element), making it difficult for mixers to compete. The exception is large transfers. Sending them via the Lightning Network can be challenging, so here, a mixer may be needed to maintain privacy.

However, in modern conditions, the primary purpose of mixers for me is to conceal large sums that I receive, not the ones I send. If a substantial amount comes to me and everyone can see it, it might attract the attention of malicious actors. Therefore, it's better to hide significant sums.

Additionally, I suspect that mixers might be used by individuals who have illicitly obtained bitcoins somewhere and are trying to cover their tracks. Finally, mixers are likely in demand among those who steal fiat money and then convert it into bitcoins. Such individuals may also need to sever the connection between the coins.

Based on the above, when getting acquainted with a mixer, my primary objective is to understand its target audience:
1. those who want to keep their transfers private,
2. individuals who don't want to expose large sums of incoming funds to potential malicious actors,
3. or criminals who steal Bitcoins or fiat money and are attempting to cover their tracks.

The first target group, those who require privacy in their transfers, typically seek low fees (ideally not higher than what's offered in the Lightning Network) and high transaction volumes. The minimum fee on [banned mixer], at 0.4% plus 20,000 satoshis per receiving address, is noticeably higher than the fees on the Lightning Network. The claimed volume goes up to 10 BTC. However, it seems that the service owners themselves are not very confident that users will trust a mixer with such high volumes. They acknowledge in the FAQ that entrusting a substantial sum to a mixer can be challenging and recommend breaking it down into less critical portions for the client. From this, it appears that [banned mixer] may not offer anything exceptional to potential clients interested in private transfers.

The second target group, those who want incoming bitcoins to be completely unlinked, indeed align with much of the information on the [banned mixer] website. The entire mixing process in [banned mixer] seems tailored to achieving this goal. The mixer's developers suggest sending each received amount to multiple addresses, utilizing delays before sending, and employing codes to ensure there is no connection between the sent and received coins. It appears that [banned mixer] and I share the same understanding of the primary purpose of mixers in modern conditions. [banned mixer] is primarily focused on providing precisely the services I would expect from a mixer.

But there is one detail that makes me wonder if [banned mixer] might consider people who want to cover their criminal tracks as part of their target audience, and that's the fees. On one hand, it's very useful that you can specify custom fees for each mixing transaction. If in one case, you receive 0.40% less from the mixer than what you sent, in another case 0.41% less, and in a third case 0.42% less, it introduces additional entropy into the data and makes it even more challenging to trace connections between the coins. But who and why would give the mixer 1.8% (the lower limit for the Standard level), 3.6% (the lower limit for the Premium level), and especially 5%?! In my opinion, only scammers and thieves who are willing to pay for silence, meaning complicity in their crimes, would do so. If the mixer itself suggests setting such a fee, it may mean it is willing to serve those who are ready to pay it.

Indeed, using such a mixer raises not only moral questions but also potential financial risks. If the mixer becomes entangled in criminal activities, it's only a matter of time before it gets caught. At that very moment, your order might be in progress, and you could be left without your bitcoins. It's essential to exercise caution and due diligence when choosing a mixer to minimize these risks.

My recommendation to the mixer would be not to allow customers to set such high fees, like 1.8%, 3.6%, and especially 5%. These fees are excessively high for the average bitcoin user and may not appear as fees for privacy but rather as fees for money laundering. It's crucial to strike a balance between privacy and reasonable fees to ensure the service is used for legitimate purposes and not misused for illegal activities.

My expectations based on previous reviews

Since this is the second round of reviews, I've reviewed the feedback from the first campaign to understand what I should expect from the [banned mixer] mixer and what aspects to pay attention to.

Reading the reviews from the first campaign, I've noted the following critical points:

1. Terminology and promises. [banned mixer] makes bold statements like "absolute security and reliability" and "the most reliable Bitcoin Mixer and Tumbler service in the world." However, these claims lack a factual basis. Mixers operate in a legal gray area, and there are no guarantees that they will fully protect your funds. [banned mixer] doesn't adequately warn users about the risks associated with mixer use and the need for appropriate precautions.
2. Terms of service. [banned mixer]'s terms of service include a clause stating that the service may share your data with third parties for illegal activity checks. This could jeopardize your anonymity.
3. Address types. [banned mixer] does not always use native SegWit addresses, potentially reducing the level of transaction anonymity.
4. Address reuse. [banned mixer] may reuse the same address for multiple transactions, making your transactions more traceable.

After using the mixer, I can say the following regarding these observations.

The bold and unsubstantiated claims do not immediately catch one's eye. Yes, they are present, but they are usually tucked away in sections of the text that I tend not to read thoroughly. I typically view this text as marketing content and tend to skim through it. It required a deliberate effort on my part to locate these statements. I presume that other users might not stumble upon them unless actively seeking them out. Therefore, I do not perceive these claims as a significant issue.


As for the concern about permitting the sharing of user data with third parties, I hold a different perspective. The service's owners themselves are essentially unknown entities. By using the service, users already transmit information about their addresses and transactions to unfamiliar parties. Information is exposed not when [banned mixer] transfers it to another entity, but rather when users disclose it to the mixer.

In my transactions with [banned mixer], both premium and basic, I did not notice [banned mixer] using non native SegWit addresses. Furthermore, [banned mixer] handled the sending of coins to a Taproot address quite well. So, it appears that this issue has likely been resolved.

I didn't encounter the issue of address reuse in my transactions with [banned mixer] either. All the addresses provided to me were used for the first time. In fact, I don't see anything inherently problematic in reusing an address, especially with a mixer where different individuals use it at different times. For those attempting to trace transactions, address reuse makes it even more confusing.

Overall, I didn't come across the expected issues, and it seems that the service handles these aspects well.

My personal experience

My first attempt at mixing was on my iPad through the privacy-focused browser Orion (browser.kagi.com), but it was unsuccessful.

Firstly, pop-up information elements obstructed essential parts of the interface and didn't disappear as expected.
They remained on the screen even after moving to the next section of the form.


Secondly, I couldn't download the guarantee letter. Clicking the download link resulted in an error message.

Without the guarantee letter, I was hesitant to proceed with the mixing. So, I switched to the Chrome browser and completed all the necessary steps there, and everything went smoothly.

For my second mixing attempt, I used an Android phone with the Kiwi browser. Kiwi didn't present any issues, but using the website on a phone was not the most convenient experience. The most inconvenient aspect was that all mixing settings are adjusted using sliders, and on a small screen, this can be cumbersome. It would be much more user-friendly if the website allowed users to input values numerically for parameters like the fee percentage, the fraction of coins sent to each address, and the delay time. Trying to hit the exact value you want with sliders can be frustrating.


Comparing to other mixers

The interface issue mentioned earlier (lack of numeric input fields) appears to be common among many mixers. It might be intentional, as entering numbers may not be as secure as using sliders. However, if that's not the case, addressing this interface shortcoming could make using [banned mixer] on a phone more convenient than many other mixers.

The lower minimum acceptable fee on [banned mixer] is certainly a competitive advantage. However, it's essential to note that there are mixers that don't charge an additional fee for each new receiving address, and under specific configurations, using such mixers might be more cost-effective.

Having the website available in eight languages is a significant advantage, exceeding the language support of many popular mixers.

Starting mixing after just one confirmation is also an important advantage. However, it's crucial to send coins to the provided address within 24 hours, and it's unclear what is considered the moment of sending: the first blockchain confirmation or the detection of the transaction in the mempool. It's indeed strange that this information is absent on websites of other mixers as well. Adding this clarity would make [banned mixer] even more user-friendly compared to its competitors.

Overall, I didn't find any specific aspects in [banned mixer] that would set it apart from its competitors in a negative way. On the contrary, most of the differences seem to favor [banned mixer].

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2

Browsers used :
-Mix 1 :Chromium Version 118.0.5993.70 (Official Build)
-Mix 2 : Tor 13.0
-Overall experience : I checked all the pages of the site with the two browsers mentioned above +  Firefox 115.3.1esr (64 bits) on Debian and under Android with Firefox Focus 119.0

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With Chromium (and Firefox) I couldn't access the captcha and couldn't use the mixer. I deleted my cookies, refreshed the page, took into consideration your reply to mikeywith and stayed on the page while it loaded, but still the same problem. I tried with "private"/"incognito" window, same issue again. Not sure what was the problem, I never had this kind of issue with a captcha before. I encountered this problem yesterday too, when I tried to test your service, and it seems to be persistent on my end.



I had no problems with Tor browser, everything seems to work well:



So, let's go with Tor browser! I wanted to do the test with Chromium and Firefox, but it's not working at the moment. So I'm going to do the test with Tor, and try later when the problem is solved.

The coins will be sent from this address : bc1qv7e20dtpsxjfncsmrlpyym9tzhyg8cmdpv20xc

Receiving addresses :
-28,99% to bc1qmcs2xplsyd62668gshh46ft2fsru0hjjn84vx8
-40,26% to bc1ql3vktvycm4rerdfwfg390xmmpxqf50mtnmvvyu
-30,75% to bc1qp85cz7z6saywglesa8mnn5cnn7snr4z63m4y5h

Security Level : Premium
Service fee : 3,96%

Delay :
-1h55 min for bc1qmcs2xplsyd62668gshh46ft2fsru0hjjn84vx8
-5h47min for bc1ql3vktvycm4rerdfwfg390xmmpxqf50mtnmvvyu
-8h58min for bc1qp85cz7z6saywglesa8mnn5cnn7snr4z63m4y5h

Amount : 0.00119326 BTC


Delay:



As you can see above, the delay were respected.

For the third transaction, fees were very overpaid : 42,9 sat/vB instead of 13 sat/vB on average in block 813711 9bb1bce5d459b07b2457c3e1058b061e1cb78c3fe7d12219599ba97e01891c8b

But that's not a big deal, the first two were optimal. I didn't find my own address when checking on a explorer the source of the coins.

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For this one I used the Tumbler code provided in my previous session.

The coins will be sent from this address : bc1q2ff6p8n7j8th9jyk3lzs3xcne8rkf28tavw5rw

Receiving addresses :
-100% to bc1qzpda8ykfdl6gqlen8vh290u8ly8rmzkkx8hgky

Security Level : Standard
Service fee : 1,89%

Delay :
-5h06min

Amount : 0.00148455 BTC


Delay:



Above, you can see the whole history for the test 2. As you can see, the transaction arrived on time (+10 minutes, so exactly the average block confirmation's time needed), and everything was flawless. I'm not a blockchain analyst, but looking with Crystal explorer I couldn't find my own address.
I sent 0.00148455 BTC and received 0.00125649 ; which is fine.

Transaction fees were a little overpaid 40 sat/vB instead of approximately 20 sat/vB https://mempool.space/tx/259a247900a398b3087b9eb018a81ac5c1474097e53fbd11032d48fa6586ae5d

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I'm now going to share with you my overall experience of using the product, as well as my various comments and questions.

About the mixing process :

Despite the problems of using your services outside the Tor browser, I found the steps of mixing extremely user-friendly, everything clear and well organized. It's one of the most pleasant mixers I've ever used. Your site updated itself almost instantly when my items entered the mempool, it's very responsive.

I like the Anonymizing meter, it's very user friendly:



It's good that users must tick the conditions + the reminder to download the letter of guarantee before everything else. Well done.


During the step 4 this informations appears and it is well managed, I find it very easy to read :


Once the mixing process is complete, I appreciated the suggestion to "Delete immediately" the order, which is good.

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Before testing the mixing process, I began by exploring every aspect of the site, as I usually do when I come across a mixer I don't know.

I really like the design of your site, it's clear and modern.
Your website is responsive, I had no slowness of any kind, no matter what web-browser I used. The fact that you've integrated a dark mode is great. It's one of the most user-friendly mixer websites I've ever tried on Android, kudos for the mobile version! 

However, my first impression was mitigated : I told myself that if I had to discover Tumbler randomly -outside the context of this review-, I'd wonder if the service was still active, and if a team was still really in charge of it.

Despite the beauty of the site, I had a sort of "ghost town" feeling when I was browsing on the site... Let me explain why :

The support can't be contacted :



Same issue with Chromium and Firefox : I've tried two days in a row and the problem persists, and I've also refreshed the page several times and the same problem persists.

Your Twitter account is empty, no avatar, no post.
I'm not sure it's right for you to leave this X account linked to your site, it gives an impression of being left behind. You could share on X your blog articles for example. I guess it's not -of course- the number one priority, but any sign of activity is a plus when it comes to building trust.



Apparently, you have no active online presence outside your website and your Bitcointalk account.

Okay, it's not a big deal if you take these elements one by one, but as a whole, they give an impression of incompleteness.
In a sector where trust and reputation are essential, all these elements could lead new users to refuse to take risks, and to go and see some other platform. For example, showing signs of activity outside of your blog (which has irregular activity too) on Twitter, Discord or Telegram could be a real plus for federating a community of users and to reassure them. If I'd needed to contact the support, I'd have had to go to the FAQ, dig around and find your e-mail address. It would be nice to update the dedicated page. The fact that you are reactive on Bitcointalk is a big plus, but in my opinion, to reach more users, you need something extra. I know that multiplying accounts on social medias means multiplying risks (impersonation etc..), but it should be possible to find a good balance between online activity/presence and risks.

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FAQ
Your FAQ seems to be quite complete and precise, the information is clear, and I can't think of anything in particular to suggest to change about it.

Terms and Conditions :
Also, I've spent some time exploring your "Terms and Privacy" page.
I have some questions about the "Coin Filtering" part:


Are we supposed to understand that you could collaborate with blockchain analysis companies if it was requested? Or some my data could be shared to a third-party company? In any case, at first glance it seems rather vague. If you could reassure us about this point, that would be welcome.

Fees BTC
I use mixers regularly, of course I look how much cost the fees, but to be honest, I'm willing to pay the price of privacy; I've paid up to 4-5% in the past, which is why I find your fees reasonable (even if from a personal point of view I'm not a big fan of a fixed amount of BTC + x% and I like to have a percentage only, but that's personal). It's not cheap, but it's not expensive either, when compared with some of others mixing platforms. All good.

I'd like to make it clear that for this test, I wasn't looking to save on fees or anticipate them at all, I wanted to test the service with small amounts so this is necessarily disproportionate. A regular user would of course take more care not to send such a small amount with 3 output addresses.

Translations :
I can only check the French language, but I'd like to point out that the site's translation is more than a little unreliable.

It looks like it's been translated with GPT or an automatic translation tool. Most of the mistakes are in the FAQ, but the whole site has issues with the translation. For example some terms are translated in a literal way when it doesn't apply at all in the context of crypto mixing ("pièce" for Bitcoin, "code a tambour" for Tumbler code, for example, but there are many more).

If other languages have been translated in the same way, I'd advise you to recheck everything when you can.

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You seem to be very responsive to the feedback you receive, so I'm not worried about the small accessibility problems I've encountered, I imagine they'll be quickly rectified.

Otherwise, I think the site could be more complete, especially from the point of view of branding your service. Nevertheless, it's been a pleasure to navigate, and use your site and service. I found it intuitive, fast, and the service was done as stipulated in the letter of guarantee.

I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to test your service, and to give you my comments and suggestions. I remain at your disposal if you want to discuss anything about this review.

Answer

[banned mixer] Mixer Review Program #2
Bitcointalk username: BlackHatCoiner

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I'll start with mixing this time. I'll check if you've taken into consideration my previous concerns, and will talk about it at the end of this review.

Browser: Tor v13.0.

Security level: Premium.

Mixing 1 mBTC.
Receiving in: bc1q9a4vsffut6h9awp8ggcfz7jlq7lgs07yl0yce5 (67.56%), bc1qcerxjz8p24rhgdqd0paq3s4p4ere3hgvm8wl00 (32.44%).
Service fee: 3.60%
Anonymizing meter signals "strong".

Let's valuate this mixing now it's done.


- #1 withdrawal TX: 978c20822b02efd140a4c13ac1c2026aec7df2cd4e3b89795549734b8c5a3b7f-
- random TX: eadee4abdc7fd80bbfe56694fb6528e165542b25f40fc4ba9894376c471fc0e5
- #2 withdrawal TX: af9a530e368d89c120e9bf6f99beb6ac89edd5a342fc600b75220d93bcfecd41

Again, not strong anonymity. Rather poor. Receiving addresses literally have blockchain connection. You should never use the change of one mixing for another receiving address of mine. Not having a blockchain connection is the whole point of separate addresses, otherwise I can do that too in my own wallet. The difference this time is that you added a random TX (as I demonstrate) in the middle, but it's still very poor mixing and any regular coinjoin would provide better anonymity set than that.

Security level: Standard.

Mixing 1 mBTC.
Receiving in: bc1qpnr87nuqar0vw0x62zvqfj747shpkpltp6jx2l.
Service fee: 1.80%
Anonymizing meter signals "fair".

This one is just a regular transaction: ec9ebe0cba4806a43a2f88a1f57e87fcdf274af3c739a3d3c411a77f7c53be53. I did check its coin history, it doesn't have any blockchain connection with the previous mixing, so I guess not great not terrible.

I will retry mixing with standard, just to see if this one there will be blockchain connection. I will be using the exact same parameters.

Security level: Standard.

(second attempt, using Chromium 118.0.5993.88)
Mixing 1 mBTC.
Receiving in: bc1qfgf9hs90fjr8kwn3mgnkce45l7ymteee6gxm43.
Service fee: 1.80%
Anonymizing meter signals "fair".

Mixing done, withdrawal transaction is this: 36816f0c75595b4b5bfa71123c54e1798fb5606271af96d2221e8c10d6dc959d.

There is no blockchain connection with the previous mixing as far as per my block explorer goes. So, tumbler code must be working as expected.

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Let me return back to my concerns. You responded me in your ANN thread, so I want to confirm you've actually fixed these things you said. I'm going to ignore Javascript, as I don't exactly know your setup, even though I'll once again advice you to let the people audit the code if you're planning this mixer to go big.