Topic: COD Infinite Warfare's size is 130GB, and people cry about 85GB of blockchain? (Read 1024 times)

Anyone is live in the different places, you're very luck if alive in the developed country with highly internet speed but what happen if you're alive in the development country are not having a high internet speed?

it is much harder for me to believe call of duty is going to be 130 GB than to believe people are complaining about blockchain size!

This should be viewed as some sort of temporary solution because limiting your connections to only nodes that are already in sync really defeats the purpose of running a node. If everybody started doing that then I could imagine the frustration of a new node trying to get in sync with the rest of the network. This is one of the biggest reasons why people give up setting up a node these days. So people here should start thinking about bandwidth and the blockchain bloat. Solving the storage problem is the easy part.

A big blockchain causes issues-
it makes it harder to set up new nodes because of the long download time
it makes it harder for any program/ app that wants to download the full blockchain
more network traffic is required for each full node

Storage space (hard drives etc) is cheap
But having to send this information over the internet again and again requires a lot bandwidth
We need more full nodes to maintain additional customers and a huge blockchain makes it hard to set up new servers

where did you bring 1000 GB from? you can't just throw out numbers from nowhere!
right now blockchain size is around 80-85GB and with the growth an everything in a couple of years it will be 100 GB.

now we are talking about the future and with the speed of advancement in technology, HDD or bandwidth i don't think it is much of an issue although it is still big and a lot of people are going to turn away from running a full node but it is not a huge problem as some people like to show it.

Exactly. Storage space comparisons are frequently used by supporters of the Gavinista big block scheme to mislead other users into thinking that resource usage considerations are irrelevant in Bitcoin development. Nothing could be further from the truth. In Bitcoin's decentralized network, the primary bottleneck is upload bandwidth.

But even if you just fall for the misleading cheap HD storage argument, you should be aware that Bitcoin usage and also blockchain storage requirements are not increasing linearly - it currently follows a power function. In addition you should consider that installing a game on your pc is done much faster than syncing/verifying the same amount of blockchain data - and a game is used more intensively than a Bitcoin client that from a ordinary user's perspective is mostly a tool to make a transaction once in a while. So for an ordinary user the motivation to run a resource intensive full node is lower than running a game of same requirements.

ya.ya.yo!

Even if the internet gets faster in the future, downloading 1000GB of data is going to be somewhat of a big feat.

There is no running away from downsizing.

130GB is so big for a two games why they just dont split it on half so you dont need to use alot of your hdd space or ssd space. its also a remade thats why its heavier but cod is a good game but im on csgo

Probably games will have a bigger size too, the HD too and the internet speed will increase too...

Everything will raise, not just the blockchain size.

with 1mb blocks that 1000gb will hit in 20 years (1mbX144(day)x365(days)=52gb)
with 2mb blocks that 1000gb will hit in 10 years (2mbX144(day)x365(days)=52gb)
with 4mb blocks that 1000gb will hit in 5 years (4mbX144(day)x365(days)=52gb)

$100 hard drive(2tb) gives 10-40 years space. and in 10-40 years larger harddrives will be cheaper
so lets say
2017 the buffer went to 4mb(but data fill of blocks were only just creeping over 1mb), (150gb historic data)
2018 the buffer was still 4mb(but data fill of blocks were only just creeping upto 2mb), (250gb historic data)
2019 the buffer was still 4mb(but data fill of blocks were only just creeping upto 3mb), (400gb historic data)
2020 the buffer was still 4mb(but data fill of blocks were only just creeping upto 4mb), (600gb historic data)
2021 the buffer went to 8mb(but data fill of blocks were only just creeping upto 5mb), (850gb historic data)

after 5 years thats only 850gb of space used. far far far below the 2tb hard drive it has, but the computer is old. and most people upgrade every 4-5 years anyway.. so in 5 years im pretty sure the standard hard drive installed in new PC's would be higher then 2tb to last another 5 years, and so on and so on
EG 16gb blocks = 5tb for 5years(850gb for 2017-2021 data, UNDER 4tb 2022-2027), no problem having a computer with a 5tb hard drive to last you from 2022-2027, and buying that computer in 2021 will be cheap

the blockchain historic data, is an initial large "chunk" of under 100gb (needed just once) and then thats it for a large "chunk".

after its downloaded the historic data "chunk", you are then only getting live data in small "chunks".. these are called blocks, which average 1mb every 10 minutes. and then transaction data which you get aswell

but remember your not constantly downloading the <100gb large chunk of historic data each month.. only the live data

this live data can be controlled to an extent
the more 'connections' to other nodes you have the more bandwidth you need to use to send the same data out again to those other nodes.
the less 'connections' to other nodes you have the less bandwidth you need to use to send the same data out again to those other nodes.
by connecting to stable nodes that are already synced reduces sending out historic data.
by connecting to unstable nodes that are not already synced increasing sending out historic data.

so if you have a internet contract with limited bandwidth, but your node has 25+ connections. then yes expect to be using 200gb a month bandwidth.

try 10 connections, limit forming a connection to anyone that is well well behind in syncing.. you will thank yourself for seeing less bandwidth per month being used for live data.

think of it like torrents. many merchants/miners and dedicated users have good internet and have real desire to be nodes, so they can be considered as the seeders. then there are the average guy with slow internet that dont critically need to be node(they dont have a bitcoin business or spend much bitcoin) so they can limit themselves while still being part of the network but with only a few connections. these can be considered leachers.

i would rather have leachers only having a couple connections so that they are not interrupting many people. and leachers would rather have
less connections so they are not using as much data. so its win win

We still have to worry about the growing size of the bitcoin blockchain because it will become 1000GB with time... and then what are we going to do about that?

I read that currently it takes about 200 GB a month to run the node for bitcoin only. Imagine some downloads or streaming movies through netflix etc, you could start hitting the limits of your connection quite fast.

And even with unlimited bandwidth, most providers have fair use policies which indeed may throttle your connection or even get you warnings to lower your data usage and ultimately getting cut of completely.

I still think a lot of bandwidth can be saved by using smaller chunks of the blockchain by many users instead of the whole thing by few users.

the problem with blockchain is not only the size but also the huge bandwidth it is using. many countries now has no unlimited internet bundles and when they finish their packages the speed gets very slow. so why would I spend my internet on something I do not have to ! which is running a node

this part does not make any sense and this actually is defeating the purpose of bitcoin and blockchain being decentralized. you HAVE TO get it from peers yourself not just one guy who has it.

and that one guy can even manipulate the data he is giving you intentionally or even unintentionally give you bad data showing a transaction as confirmed when it was not. and many other risks.

however you can still get it from a friend if you trust him as in transferring it through external hard drive or even downloading blockchain through the torrent which is provided from time to time (i don't know how behind the torrent file currently is)

There are many ways to kill a cat. One guy can download it, and distribute it, and just sync up when a friend needs it. In some countries they have different rules for local and international bandwidth. So you could use your local bandwidth to download the Blockchain, if you need to do that.

People will always complain, just because they can. It's in their nature. ^smile^

Bandwidth is a much bigger problem in the future as the size of the blockchain grows bigger and bigger. I seem to notice that most of the people visiting this forum do not include that in the discussion. They seem fixated that since storage is getting cheaper than it will be ok. I will not be ok. The blockchain bloat is now seen as some sort of flaw in Bitcoin's design while others some see it as a trade off if you want to use a peer to peer payment network.

true.

because, i only have a 64GB SSD for the dedicated storage of games in my tower.

cable policy (or satellite).
classic.

It was a tad agonising. I've never been much of a torrenter but i could've been related to that as I've done it a handful of times. Where I'm at in the UK unlimited bandwidth usually has 'fair usage' written below in small letters which covers every possible base.