Topic: CoinLenders Script :: Bitcoin Bank (Borrow+Deposit) Software :: Demo Available - page 30. (Read 111290 times)
November 15, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Its 3 weeks since the hack what % did he repay to you? Ok... So its a scam.
November 15, 2013, 01:55:56 PM
Get him in jail and get nothing back. Nice lose lose situation.
If scammers like him actually went to jail, it would be a strong disincentive to future scammers.He still got some of his CL investment in [...] unpaid back loans,
Let's say you "owe" him something: would you give it back, now that you know he's a scammer? I wouldn't.Not that it matters, since he's a scammer, and you won't get nothing back anyway.
November 15, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
What about this?
So, was the liquid balance of CL refilled, and the only problem is non-paying borrowers / depreciated AM shares?
Because that doesn't sound like such a big problem!
No. I haven't moved coins out of Inputs personally. The coins I did "move out" are (i) routine signature ad payments, (ii) wallet refill of coinchat/coinlenders
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So, was the liquid balance of CL refilled, and the only problem is non-paying borrowers / depreciated AM shares?
Because that doesn't sound like such a big problem!
November 15, 2013, 01:47:28 PM
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
Not necessarily. Having access to subpoena and debt collecting agencies would be a great help...As an example; The hacker or TradeFortress himself could have sent the btc to Mt.Gox thinking he could speculate on the price rise. We have absolutely no way of knowing right now because Mt.Gox employees wont even talk to us.
Not to mention all of the information TradeFortress refuses to disclose and the mountain of suspicious activity surrounding his actions over the past month..
I have no problem working with TradeFortress, but he has shown absolutely no interest in the idea.
Amen.
TF has no desire to cooperate with his investors, getting coinchat back up however, was of vast importance.
November 15, 2013, 01:45:17 PM
Hi TF,
Before you make any decisions about how repayment will happen, I want to remind you of BTCINVEST's unique situation.
After the Inputs theft, investors of BTCINVEST had their shares partially liquidated and deposited as CL credits. The actual BTC from the liquidation, which were not stolen or voluntarily deposited to CL, are probably slated to contribute to the reimbursement of CL deposits.
If BTCINVEST deposits are considered equivalent to CL deposits, then BTCINVESTers will be paying (approx.) the cost of the depreciated AM shares twice, once for seemingly no good reason.
.2 * .2 * [investment value] = .04 * [investment value]!
Thanks!
Before you make any decisions about how repayment will happen, I want to remind you of BTCINVEST's unique situation.
After the Inputs theft, investors of BTCINVEST had their shares partially liquidated and deposited as CL credits. The actual BTC from the liquidation, which were not stolen or voluntarily deposited to CL, are probably slated to contribute to the reimbursement of CL deposits.
If BTCINVEST deposits are considered equivalent to CL deposits, then BTCINVESTers will be paying (approx.) the cost of the depreciated AM shares twice, once for seemingly no good reason.
.2 * .2 * [investment value] = .04 * [investment value]!
Thanks!
November 15, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
Not necessarily. Having access to subpoena and debt collecting agencies would be a great help...As an example; The hacker or TradeFortress himself could have sent the btc to Mt.Gox thinking he could speculate on the price rise. We have absolutely no way of knowing right now because Mt.Gox employees wont even talk to us.
Not to mention all of the information TradeFortress refuses to disclose and the mountain of suspicious activity surrounding his actions over the past month..
I have no problem working with TradeFortress, but he has shown absolutely no interest in the idea.
November 15, 2013, 10:27:15 AM
if he does iignore it, its a sign he is ignoring his reasponsibilities and bailing on this cl thing.
November 15, 2013, 10:26:05 AM
I wholeheartedly agree. We need to let them know that walking away from their CoinLenders debt will follow them into their other businesses.
Whereas I agree about the legal actions, if he is brought under lawsuit we can basically kiss our losses goodbye, I must respectfully disagree about the debtors.
From the sounds of it, they are going out of their way to not address TF's emails/PM's. I think we can all basically agree that everyone that he mentioned earlier is on this board everyday and for them to claim that it has been this long and they, "just haven't noticed what happened" would be an outright lie. They are purposefully ignoring his requests and if we as a community can put some pressure on them to get in contact and work out some form of repayment schedule, then I think that is a good course of action, as we have the power to hurt their lively hood by taking business away which they do not want, otherwise their does not seem to be much recourse for not honoring their debts.
I'm not sure if ganging up on TF's debtors is the best course of action right now, especially if they've also lost funds in Inputs. I see it as if he's just trying to shift some of the blame. Requesting information and politely ask for them to repay their loans, yes. But boycotts and threats of legal action should be the last recourse, especially given how Bitcoin is currently seen by the law.
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
Whereas I agree about the legal actions, if he is brought under lawsuit we can basically kiss our losses goodbye, I must respectfully disagree about the debtors.
From the sounds of it, they are going out of their way to not address TF's emails/PM's. I think we can all basically agree that everyone that he mentioned earlier is on this board everyday and for them to claim that it has been this long and they, "just haven't noticed what happened" would be an outright lie. They are purposefully ignoring his requests and if we as a community can put some pressure on them to get in contact and work out some form of repayment schedule, then I think that is a good course of action, as we have the power to hurt their lively hood by taking business away which they do not want, otherwise their does not seem to be much recourse for not honoring their debts.
November 15, 2013, 10:13:20 AM
TF,
You lied us on something obviously.
I can understand bcz i think most of us will do same thing when we first faced so bad situation, specially at a early age.
And you have learned a lot after what you've been through, CL and Inputs.io should more safe and power in future then.
Your update show it's hard time for everyone now.
So i decided CL could frozen my 327 btc for 1 year with 0% interst.
Hope this help.
You lied us on something obviously.
I can understand bcz i think most of us will do same thing when we first faced so bad situation, specially at a early age.
And you have learned a lot after what you've been through, CL and Inputs.io should more safe and power in future then.
Your update show it's hard time for everyone now.
So i decided CL could frozen my 327 btc for 1 year with 0% interst.
Hope this help.
Look, one of your investors just offered you 327 BTC of "liquidity" for one year at zero cost.
IF TF still thinks he can afford to ignore his investors. Him and we are doomed in this situation. It would be beyond stupid.
November 15, 2013, 10:10:30 AM
I'm not sure if ganging up on TF's debtors is the best course of action right now, especially if they've also lost funds in Inputs. I see it as if he's just trying to shift some of the blame. Requesting information and politely ask for them to repay their loans, yes. But boycotts and threats of legal action should be the last recourse, especially given how Bitcoin is currently seen by the law.
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
Whereas I agree about the legal actions, if he is brought under lawsuit we can basically kiss our losses goodbye, I must respectfully disagree about the debtors.
From the sounds of it, they are going out of their way to not address TF's emails/PM's. I think we can all basically agree that everyone that he mentioned earlier is on this board everyday and for them to claim that it has been this long and they, "just haven't noticed what happened" would be an outright lie. They are purposefully ignoring his requests and if we as a community can put some pressure on them to get in contact and work out some form of repayment schedule, then I think that is a good course of action, as we have the power to hurt their lively hood by taking business away which they do not want, otherwise their does not seem to be much recourse for not honoring their debts.
November 15, 2013, 10:10:21 AM
TF,
I don't give a shit about coins you don't have. That's your responsibility to get them back. In the meantime, you do have some BTC and you need to pay that BTC out. Any BTC you collect later, you can distribute later. It's not that hard.
I don't give a shit about coins you don't have. That's your responsibility to get them back. In the meantime, you do have some BTC and you need to pay that BTC out. Any BTC you collect later, you can distribute later. It's not that hard.
November 15, 2013, 10:06:45 AM
To name a few that have been impossible to reach (when talking about their debt):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jordanl-70557
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/graet-17548
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ascension-70541
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ukyo-35121
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jordanl-70557
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/graet-17548
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ascension-70541
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ukyo-35121
User 1) BlackLilac
Running these sites:
- http://www.blacklilacfinancial.com/
- http://www.2asic.com/ (closed) Used for selling asicminer devices.
- https://asicminer.info/ (closed)
His 2asic.com ended up in scam accusation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-blacklilacjordan-lear2asiccom-asicminerinfo-blacklilacfinancialcom-321290 for not delivering.
Here is some contact details on blacklilacfinancial.com:
His real name: Jordan Lear
Black Lilac Financial Corporation
666 Burrard St
Vancouver, British Columbia
V6C 2X8
Canada
Phone: 1 (877) 420-7992
Fax: 1 (888) 220-0714
E-mail: [email protected]
Skype: BlackLilacFinancial
Twitter: @BlackLilac
Also, here BlackLilac claims to have made over a thousand BTC with TF in the first 8 months of 2013, as well as having thousands of BTCs in cold storage:
http://dt.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1j4sy2/how_legit_is_coinlenderscom/
November 15, 2013, 10:02:07 AM
I'm not sure if ganging up on TF's debtors is the best course of action right now, especially if they've also lost funds in Inputs. I see it as if he's just trying to shift some of the blame. Requesting information and politely ask for them to repay their loans, yes. But boycotts and threats of legal action should be the last recourse, especially given how Bitcoin is currently seen by the law.
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
I fear nobody will get to see their money at all if TF is brought to a class-action lawsuit (How the hell would it be settled?) and any remaining funds are seized, and even if it's purely out of spite, they'll be just in to increase their losses.
November 15, 2013, 09:54:44 AM
Perhaps we can get an extensive list of who is not communicative so that negative feedback can be left and websites can be boycotted until loans are addressed?
November 15, 2013, 09:50:19 AM
Hi all,
I have sent all of the people TF highlighted messages letting them know that I am interested in writing an article for my website (bitcoinwarrior.net), something like "the anatomy of a bitcoin hack" for my website. I have said that if they are not communicating with TF about their debts that I would be including their businesses as ones that are questionable, liable to scams and frauds, given that they do not honor their debts.
I have also sent an email to TF asking if he has done anything to see if we could identify the hackers. It seems that those BTC have been moved around. It might be possible to tie some of those addresses to a name. It would still probably be impossible to get the BTC back, but it might make future hackers a little more wary if they can be exposed and shamed. I am not technical enough to know about this, but if anyone has any expertise, please let me know.
The situation is dire, but I don't feel like crying into my pillow just yet.
I have sent all of the people TF highlighted messages letting them know that I am interested in writing an article for my website (bitcoinwarrior.net), something like "the anatomy of a bitcoin hack" for my website. I have said that if they are not communicating with TF about their debts that I would be including their businesses as ones that are questionable, liable to scams and frauds, given that they do not honor their debts.
I have also sent an email to TF asking if he has done anything to see if we could identify the hackers. It seems that those BTC have been moved around. It might be possible to tie some of those addresses to a name. It would still probably be impossible to get the BTC back, but it might make future hackers a little more wary if they can be exposed and shamed. I am not technical enough to know about this, but if anyone has any expertise, please let me know.
The situation is dire, but I don't feel like crying into my pillow just yet.
November 15, 2013, 09:24:19 AM
TF,
You lied us on something obviously.
I can understand bcz i think most of us will do same thing when we first faced so bad situation, specially at a early age.
And you have learned a lot after what you've been through, CL and Inputs.io should more safe and power in future then.
Your update show it's hard time for everyone now.
So i decided CL could frozen my 327 btc for 1 year with 0% interst.
Hope this help.
You lied us on something obviously.
I can understand bcz i think most of us will do same thing when we first faced so bad situation, specially at a early age.
And you have learned a lot after what you've been through, CL and Inputs.io should more safe and power in future then.
Your update show it's hard time for everyone now.
So i decided CL could frozen my 327 btc for 1 year with 0% interst.
Hope this help.
November 15, 2013, 09:23:23 AM
Yes,
I think if anyone here still has any hope left. Pursuing those depositors is one of the few things you can do. If they decided to pay up, maybe tf would be more transparent. But be honest - can you really chase these people when you have NONE of the details. For all you know, they lost everything they had on inputs and they consider it settled.
I think if anyone here still has any hope left. Pursuing those depositors is one of the few things you can do. If they decided to pay up, maybe tf would be more transparent. But be honest - can you really chase these people when you have NONE of the details. For all you know, they lost everything they had on inputs and they consider it settled.
November 15, 2013, 09:17:33 AM
But it's not just about lack of transparency. He gave a 100% refund to one user and 0% to everyone else. That looks pretty bad. Not even 1% refund.
That is true, I think he admitted that 100% refund was a misstake he made before he had made up his mind to halt refunds to CL depositors.
Regarding the rest of us, we haven't gotten anything YET.
I believe this whole story will require a lot of time to play out, and TF has given us 4 users that are "impossible to reach when talking about their debt".
I've sent them all a message. If they don't respond, I'll contact them via email/twitter/snail mail if I can get a hold of that information.
The only thing I can do right now, is to (in a friendly manner) ask these users to contact TF or choose to continue to F5 my blood watchlist, and my F5 is getting worn out...
November 15, 2013, 09:13:14 AM
Lol.
November 15, 2013, 08:59:40 AM
To name a few that have been impossible to reach (when talking about their debt):
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jordanl-70557
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/graet-17548
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ascension-70541
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ukyo-35121
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jordanl-70557
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/graet-17548
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ascension-70541
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ukyo-35121
User 1) BlackLilac
Running these sites:
- http://www.blacklilacfinancial.com/
- http://www.2asic.com/ (closed) Used for selling asicminer devices.
- https://asicminer.info/ (closed)
His 2asic.com ended up in scam accusation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-blacklilacjordan-lear2asiccom-asicminerinfo-blacklilacfinancialcom-321290 for not delivering.
Here is some contact details on blacklilacfinancial.com:
His real name: Jordan Lear
Black Lilac Financial Corporation
666 Burrard St
Vancouver, British Columbia
V6C 2X8
Canada
Phone: 1 (877) 420-7992
Fax: 1 (888) 220-0714
E-mail: [email protected]
Skype: BlackLilacFinancial
Twitter: @BlackLilac
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