Coinplay scammed me out of 1300 USDT

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on February 28, 2023, 05:47:53 PM

They should be able to tell you exactly what terms and conditions you breached not just coming up with a vague message.

Agreed, and I think this is were most casions/sportsbooks miss it, communicate with your client by being transparent and where the player went wrong ...instead of dishing out generalized messages which make these guys look like they are just after the players money and no interest in the stay of the player.

Hope wr start to see personalized replies and not these template kind of replies which we see year in year out.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on March 06, 2023, 12:00:49 PM

But if so then it seems a win situation for people who wants to abuse casino and sportsbook. They deposit, manipulate and fail to withdraw. They come here, complain, get the deposit back. But they are safe until they are unnoticed.

Gaming the system will never get you through such platforms that have the safe guards to protect their interest and using the public to your advantage .

And those other cases of other sportsbooks banning the user don't sit well with this case because being banned by ~5 different companies is one too many and could suggest same gaming strategy...

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Quote from: piebeyb on April 16, 2023, 07:23:00 AM

Quote from: ScamViruS on March 07, 2023, 02:48:55 PM

Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 10:53:19 AM

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Casinos are becoming very strict now and harassing their customers when they find something suspicious. Which is really becoming a worry for gamblers now. Many casinos now resort to blocking gamblers' accounts without any prior notice. Which is really scary situation. Because every time the casinos target the gamblers, they write their one-sided charges, which makes it difficult to understand who is guilty and who is innocent.

That's why it's important to research first which casino is the best to serve its users well, I followed this thread and didn't look for right and wrong it's back to judging each one, so I'm not going to side with anyone but this will be a lesson for all of us not to play unfairly as alleged by the casino or to play at a casino that cheats also takes user money in a dirty way and for many reasons that make no sense and are not transparent.

But back to gamblers where they should be playing, don't be tempted by bonuses and appearances especially just because you see a campaign on this forum to make sure that the casino is safe, look for casinos that are truly trusted on this forum and also have positive feedback from the community, play casino safely and without any disappointing cases like this and that many in this forum.

Gamblers are as serious about finding bonuses as they are not interested in researching whether the casino is trustworthy or not. Many times they don't even think twice to create multiple accounts in order to get more offers and bonuses of any casino. So they violate the casino's policy by creating multiple accounts, and as a result they face various problems.

So the gamblers have to be more careful in choosing the casino, because all the casinos keep marketing that their casino is the best, to attract the gamblers.

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Quote from: ScamViruS on March 07, 2023, 02:48:55 PM

Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 10:53:19 AM

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Casinos are becoming very strict now and harassing their customers when they find something suspicious. Which is really becoming a worry for gamblers now. Many casinos now resort to blocking gamblers' accounts without any prior notice. Which is really scary situation. Because every time the casinos target the gamblers, they write their one-sided charges, which makes it difficult to understand who is guilty and who is innocent.

That's why it's important to research first which casino is the best to serve its users well, I followed this thread and didn't look for right and wrong it's back to judging each one, so I'm not going to side with anyone but this will be a lesson for all of us not to play unfairly as alleged by the casino or to play at a casino that cheats also takes user money in a dirty way and for many reasons that make no sense and are not transparent.

But back to gamblers where they should be playing, don't be tempted by bonuses and appearances especially just because you see a campaign on this forum to make sure that the casino is safe, look for casinos that are truly trusted on this forum and also have positive feedback from the community, play casino safely and without any disappointing cases like this and that many in this forum.

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If Casino Guru doesn't handle sports betting-related complaints, take your evidence and submit it to a different service with mediators. cicadasTR already mentioned some alternatives. Besides those, there is also GambleScope.
No neutral third-party (especially a DT member) can support your flag because it hasn't been proven that the casino has cheated you. If a 3rd-party mediator proves you didn't do anything wrong, that can change.

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Quote from: bachezy on March 10, 2023, 09:01:21 AM

It looks like the mediator (Casino-Guru) can't help me because it's a sportsbook related issue.

https://casinoguru-en.com/coinplay-casino-the-player-s-account-got-blocked

As you may see, even to the mediator they decided to not give out what rules i broke, so yes, it looks like i won't see the balance i earned back.

So more people won't commit the same mistake as i did (deposit in this website) i decide to raise a flag, if you feel like i have been wrongfully banned, or at least, not given a concrete reason for a ban, i would appreacite your support.

The flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3129

Askgamblers, The Pogg or Casinomeister will take the case, they don't have that casino only rule. Don't give up yet.

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It looks like the mediator (Casino-Guru) can't help me because it's a sportsbook related issue.

https://casinoguru-en.com/coinplay-casino-the-player-s-account-got-blocked

As you may see, even to the mediator they decided to not give out what rules i broke, so yes, it looks like i won't see the balance i earned back.

So more people won't commit the same mistake as i did (deposit in this website) i decide to raise a flag, if you feel like i have been wrongfully banned, or at least, not given a concrete reason for a ban, i would appreacite your support.

The flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3129

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There's another way of looking at it, that this playing the man not the ball tactic so many sites like to use on here is just bad faith.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 06:11:38 PM

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof Cheesy

It doesn't work like that. In no normal country or venture can it be enough to point the finger at someone and say he did me wrong and that's all that needs to be done. Maybe in North Korea if you didn't applaud your dictator or in Iran if you are a woman not wearing her head scarf.

But I understand what you were trying to say with this:

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 06:37:31 PM

I can invite a guy here who knows nothing about gambling only logic and common sense to read the topic and they can conclude that you have to prove that you are not a cheater on this one when you have a long list of casinos where you got ban or limited for alleged cheating, I think you're missing Coin_play post here, they can easily verify you as breaking their rules because you have a history of that.

It's like with ex cons. A criminal remains a criminal long after serving his prison sentence. It follows him in his social interactions or when he tries to get a job. If you were imprisoned for robbery and something big goes missing in your vicinity, guess who the police will come talk to and ask where you were at the time of the robbery?

I am not comparing OP to a criminal and ex con. I am just saying your history and actions follow you around.

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Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 06:15:37 PM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 06:11:38 PM

Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 05:59:15 PM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 05:53:36 PM

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me. Grin

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof Cheesy

they will only present your past actions on casino.guru and the burden will be on you that you are not cheating this time.

I think you don't have any knowledge about sportsbetting, it's impossible to prove that i'm legit, they are the ones who can prove i cheated. I don't know why you comment here if you don't understand the topic in question.

I can invite a guy here who knows nothing about gambling only logic and common sense to read the topic and they can conclude that you have to prove that you are not a cheater on this one when you have a long list of casinos where you got ban or limited for alleged cheating, I think you're missing Coin_play post here, they can easily verify you as breaking their rules because you have a history of that.
This is my last post here go ahead and ask a third party to mediate and I wish you success I only show you what will lie ahead and that is they will make reference to your character on past casinos you've played.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 06:11:38 PM

Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 05:59:15 PM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 05:53:36 PM

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me. Grin

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof Cheesy

they will only present your past actions on casino.guru and the burden will be on you that you are not cheating this time.

I think you don't have any knowledge about sportsbetting, it's impossible to prove that i'm legit, they are the ones who can prove i cheated. I don't know why you comment here if you don't understand the topic in question.

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Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 05:59:15 PM

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 05:53:36 PM

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me. Grin

You claim to be one so prove it, there is an allegation of cheating from a cheater so Coinplay need not show proof Cheesy

they will only present your past actions on casino.guru and the burden will be on you that you are not cheating this time.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 05:53:36 PM

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post

And how can i prove i'm legit? Please enlight me. Grin

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Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 10:53:19 AM

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Unfortunately, you should, because the casino's defense is they cannot show how their security works so they can only show your violation, so the burden is on you if you cannot then it's your words against their words scenario unfortunately again Coinplay laid out your character in their post.

You are not wise enough to use another account so the focus is on the issue and not on your character.

coming from Coinplay

Quote from: CoinPlay_official on March 06, 2023, 08:24:13 AM

We would like to clarify the situation regarding bachezy.

His post history is available to all forum members, so you can check what he posted here.

He got blocked on BTC365.
Here he was limited to betnomy.
Here he was blocked on betcoin.
Nolimit365
OLE777
And so on, you can check for yourself.

Why is this happening? Is bachezy so unlucky that he is limited and blocked everywhere, or does he perform some suspicious actions and violate the rules of many sites?

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 07, 2023, 01:36:13 PM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 03:40:08 PM

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning.

Fair enough. To add to my previous statement. When I was younger (and this was before crypto gambling became a thing), I had long periods of playing with 3 digit wagers (almost daily) on multiple online fiat casinos. Mostly on odds of 1.70 and above. I wouldn't call myself extremely successful, but there were fruitful months. Never once was I limited, banned, or investigated by any bookies. My priorities are a bit different now so I don't do that anymore.

If bachezy didn't do anything wrong and got wrongfully accused and had his money confiscated, he should continue fighting with a mediator and post the verdict here that proves that Coinplay was in the wrong. That's it. If no 3rd-party agrees with him or accepts to take his case, many will see it as case closed.

I'm currently in talks with casino-guru, we should reach a verdict soon and i will update everyone here.

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Quote from: bachezy on March 07, 2023, 10:53:19 AM

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

Casinos are becoming very strict now and harassing their customers when they find something suspicious. Which is really becoming a worry for gamblers now. Many casinos now resort to blocking gamblers' accounts without any prior notice. Which is really scary situation. Because every time the casinos target the gamblers, they write their one-sided charges, which makes it difficult to understand who is guilty and who is innocent.

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 07, 2023, 01:36:13 PM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 03:40:08 PM

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning.

Fair enough. To add to my previous statement. When I was younger (and this was before crypto gambling became a thing), I had long periods of playing with 3 digit wagers (almost daily) on multiple online fiat casinos. Mostly on odds of 1.70 and above. I wouldn't call myself extremely successful, but there were fruitful months. Never once was I limited, banned, or investigated by any bookies. My priorities are a bit different now so I don't do that anymore.

If bachezy didn't do anything wrong and got wrongfully accused and had his money confiscated, he should continue fighting with a mediator and post the verdict here that proves that Coinplay was in the wrong. That's it. If no 3rd-party agrees with him or accepts to take his case, many will see it as case closed.

Yeah, it wasn't a dig, and you seem more even keeled than most on this section. Just that the rules for people who play for fun, and the small percentage that do it seriously are so far apart, you'd have to see it to believe it; some books will openly say they don't want sharp action like aforementioned Betnomi and a few others. Which is mad but there you go.

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Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 03:40:08 PM

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning.

Fair enough. To add to my previous statement. When I was younger (and this was before crypto gambling became a thing), I had long periods of playing with 3 digit wagers (almost daily) on multiple online fiat casinos. Mostly on odds of 1.70 and above. I wouldn't call myself extremely successful, but there were fruitful months. Never once was I limited, banned, or investigated by any bookies. My priorities are a bit different now so I don't do that anymore.

If bachezy didn't do anything wrong and got wrongfully accused and had his money confiscated, he should continue fighting with a mediator and post the verdict here that proves that Coinplay was in the wrong. That's it. If no 3rd-party agrees with him or accepts to take his case, many will see it as case closed.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 10:33:46 AM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 03:40:08 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on March 06, 2023, 01:51:54 PM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 01:11:37 PM

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

Is bachezy really that good and he is winning in all the casinos where he got limited or he is violating the terms of the casinos where he got limited, I don't have the pieces of evidence of all the other casinos but if he is proven to cheat on one then he could be cheating on all and if he can prove that he got limited from winning then he has a case that he is indeed good and these casinos don't want him on their platform, so bachezy can you show that you have a case and prove that these casinos are wrong in limiting you.

Do i have to prove i'm innocent or does the casino have to prove i'm guilty? And please search for yourself, every good sportsbettor gets limited in all the casinos except pinnacle.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on March 07, 2023, 10:33:46 AM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 03:40:08 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on March 06, 2023, 01:51:54 PM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 01:11:37 PM

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

Is bachezy really that good and he is winning in all the casinos where he got limited or he is violating the terms of the casinos where he got limited, I don't have the pieces of evidence of all the other casinos but if he is proven to cheat on one then he could be cheating on all and if he can prove that he got limited from winning then he has a case that he is indeed good and these casinos don't want him on their platform, so bachezy can you show that you have a case and prove that these casinos are wrong in limiting you.

There should be a required comprehension reading level to post here. Read the thread again amigo.

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Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 03:40:08 PM

Quote from: Pmalek on March 06, 2023, 01:51:54 PM

Quote from: cicadasTR on March 06, 2023, 01:11:37 PM

Pmalek, and bitcoingirlclub I guess, do you bet with real money, not bonuses? Are you up or down overall lifetime?

I don't play casino games and since most bonuses revolve around casino games, I don't use them. I bet on sports from time to time when I see a good offer that I believe can work in my favor. Sometimes it does, other times it doesn't. Betting isn't my profession and I don't look at it as a job so I can't give you any numbers. I don't always bet online and do some betting in my local betting shops. No names, no digital proof, no tracking, and no historical records to check. Even if I had such stats, I see no reason why I would talk about it publicly with unknown internet users.

What I was getting at is, no offence, but you're not good enough to get limited so how can you pass judgement. Though it's not just you. On this forum, limited means must have cheated. In reality, you get limited for consistently winning. Or betting high odds and winning. You can get limited by losing, but beating the closing line. Betnomi even call this cheating. Basically showing any sort of ability or brains can get you limited.

And like bachezy said, the little shitbooks do it quicker, because their risk ceiling is low and their liquidity is limited. A Curacao license is cheap, less than 30k, with no minimum starting bankroll. It's also why most of them end up in this section.

Deposit back only is a freeroll for Coinplay, that ain't right.

Is bachezy really that good and he is winning in all the casinos where he got limited or he is violating the terms of the casinos where he got limited, I don't have the pieces of evidence of all the other casinos but if he is proven to cheat on one then he could be cheating on all and if he can prove that he got limited from winning then he has a case that he is indeed good and these casinos don't want him on their platform, so bachezy can you show that you have a case and prove that these casinos are wrong in limiting you.

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