Topic: Colorado school Shooting! (case sealed) - page 3. (Read 891 times)

I'd like to know: what does this sound like to people who live outside of America? Would you want so many guns in the school of your children at all times? How about armed students?!

I don't know about you but to me that sounds like an incredibly bad idea. A huge number of things could go wrong.

Anyone wanna guess why the U.S. is also #1 in gun-related suicide?

Teachers shouldn't have to become combat-ready in order to do their jobs. Their job is already hard enough.

^^^ But all the teachers need to go armed. And the schools need to have several armed parents walking the halls at all times. And some of the more responsible students should be tested for their responsibility, and trained, and armed in the schools.

Nobody can ever scare all the terrorists away by sporting guns. But the the reduction produced by armed faculty, parents, and students, will reduce terrorism drastically. The few that get through will be dead.

OK well I know this is as good as its ever going to get regarding a concession from you, so I'll take it, thanks.

Yep, you are right, it was confusingly worded and organized. The rates per-capita are comparable. The problem is this is still not an accurate representation of actual crime rates as explained in detail here. India has a poor criminal justice system resulting in less officially reported crime. As enforcement goes up, the statistical documented "crime rate" goes up independent of the ACTUAL crime rate. In summary, you are still wrong even when you are right Nutilduhh.

You got proven wrong using your own statistics. Just own it for once in your life.

Did anyone notice how quickly this story vanished from the media after it was discovered one of the shooters was and anti-trump trans, and then the students walked out of a vigil because people were trying to politicize it for gun control?

Guns are already banned from schools, and this is precisely the reason why there are so many mass shootings in schools.

Teachers and school administrators should be allowed to carry guns on school property, and this would probably stop ~all school shootings. Not every teacher needs to have a gun in their classroom, but the threat that they might have one is going to be enough to prevent someone from wanting to carry out a school shooting.

This is very tender age to understand between right and wrong. Frankly I was inspired by "James Bond" type movies. I do not know after getting gun you will like to act as "James Bond" or you will understand more better that guns are not supposed to use as you see in movies.

Anyways, why there are no charges against parents?

It was really very very sad news. Day by day increasing the crime which very causes of concern. We can see the killer or shooter targetting innocent peoples.
The government needs to take immediate action controlling the Gun.

You doing the "crisis actors" angle? Frankly, while I wouldn't completely rule it out as a possibility, I don't think that's the case here.
Not to put words in your mouth, but the way you're phrasing it indicates that you don't really take the shootings seriously; if we assume all of it is faked, it still results in underage people being afraid of what should be the safest place for them to be at -- schools.
Though, if you're wrong -- kids are being killed, that is very serious, regardless of how many end up victims.

Factor in the entire population and these events affect very few people.  Media is making a bigger deal out of this then they should.  A lot of these shooting are probably fake anyways so they have a reason to ban guns from citizens.

Why is this still happening?
And most of it keeps happening in the US, there hasn't been a single school shooting in my own country, or any of our neighbours -- ever.
Yet it happens year by year over there, dozens of times.
All the while, people just debate about gun ownership... things have really gone downhill these last several years, and they keep getting worse, is acceleration really the only option?

I definitely understand you, but I think it would be far more effective to go after the roots of the problem, rather than taking the matches from tom and dick, while leaving flint and steel and a blowtorch laying around. Think about how everything was handled after 9/11. Not to make light of the death toll, but the real damage wasn't from the immediate effects, its the fallout thats going to stick around for hundreds if not thousands of years. A 90 year old woman now has to spend 30 minutes having her rectum scanned to get on a plane because now that someone has thought of a new way to be violent, tom and dick can do it too if they want.

Gun violence may seem more prevalent because its a tool of convenience, but even dumb humans have some level of ingenuity.  If we can't kill each other with nukes, we'll use traditional explosives, if we can't use those, we'll use guns, bows, swords, knives, or rocks. Hell, the crossbow was banned by the Catholic church because it was a man killer. Sure we can make the situation slightly better by getting rid of nukes, but missiles can still do plenty of damage, and thats if we don't find something even more destructive than nukes due to the lack of convenience. My point is that if we don't fix the root problem, eventually we wont be able to leave non rounded corners on the walls of buildings, as someone will eventually find a way to use those to suit their needs.

I fixed your argument so it appropriately represents that of gun owners. You think you have a right to make yourself and your family "safe" by disarming other people. You think your rights extend to taking the rights of others. Gun owners simply want to be able to protect their own families, and "feeling" safe because guns are restricted doesn't stop a criminal. The only way to truly be safe is to protect yourself, and here it is a right regardless of your irrational fear of inanimate objects.

LMFAO you don't have anything to worry about re being confused with CH but you did make me laugh, so good one ya!!!

FWIW I am not and have never been in favour of banning all guns, that is utterly ridiculous and if you have actually left a city centre in your lifetime (and clearly you have) you will immediately realize as you rightly point out they can be the best tool for certain non human killing tasks.

In a perfect world where everyone is responsible with owning "Military hardware" I would give zero fucks if a person wanted to spend their money on it.  But in reality far too many people are fucking stupid, lazy, indoctrinated (this is a big one as indoctrination causes decent people to do evil things too often, looking at religion here) and generally not fit to lick a window let alone own fucking assault rifles.

I fully understand the argument of "why are reasonable people punished because some people are stupid" and I agree with that for a great number of things (like recreational drugs, you want to hurt yourself, go fucking crazy) but when it comes to the safety of my kids and the community I am OK with drawing the line where the VAST majority of high income industrialized nations have decided it should be (including my country).

My children will spend what 14-20 years in educational institutions, and can go there day after day without ever fearing for their motherfucking lives.  In no way shape or form do I find it reasonable to trade their potential safety and well being for letting every tom dick and retard that can be born and fill out a form own really stupid nasty hardware.

The teachers don't need any psych evals. The responsible students do.

Completely serious. After all, it's the students that die. Give them the ability to protect themselves. If the law is the problem, change the law. The State can override the Federal in this.

Yes lets get simpler... perhaps you should look up "per capita". You too Nutilduhh.

You want to give guns to student  officially? A pretty lame idea.

I read in article that gun is  "legally"  purchased by shooter parent. What is the punishment for parent to provide the gun to their child?

I do not see any charges are pressed against the parents.

I don't think that more weapons is answer.
For example Canada has a lot of similarities with America but almost no such events in their history.
Why?
Maybe americans should learn something from them.
I also do not think all those attackers were drugged but they were probably feeling depressed, isolated and unaccepted in society.
It's very complex problem.

^^^ Absolutely right! And for schools in a free land, one of the best ways is to arm teachers and a few responsible students. This way terrorist shooters will be dead before they can do much damage.

However, to start correcting the problem, we need to get rid of the medical. Why? Because the shooters were on medical drugs that drove them to the edge of craziness. That's why they did what they did. If they didn't have the drugs, they would be too docile to do much of what they did.