Topic: Combating Oligarchy - page 2. (Read 1878 times)

It was worth a try.  Welcome to dismissal.  

The protectionist oligarchs don't want us discussing "contentious" hardforks, so we're being swept under the carpet again.

It's so shocking. It's a sad day for Bitcoin. When people that have the temporary majority scream :" Bitcoin = Corporation" , "Bitcoin = Not democracy" .  You guys have no shame at all?



Seems like that's right satoshi. Users became tyrannical. We need to kill tyranny and it will be killed in a way or other. As in history, every tyran died on his own tongue.

Blockstream can't change history. Tyrans died or have been removed. Democracy will be enforced upon you no matter what and how.

Despots and Tyrans always failed. Maybe we won't win this battle. But I am sure we will win this war.

The ignorance of Blockstream Bitcoin is huge.

They say that Hard-Fork is dangerous. Not is not. Is dangerous cause they will make it be by sabotage it. They say that 2MB will slow down the confirmations. It has been tested and no it's not dangerous. Considering that better chips have been produces and soon to be sold again this is a claim by Blockstream corporatists that is false.

They are fully delusional and came up with ideas that don't stick up on the wall.

It is a sad day for Bitcoin to declare it under control of tyrans. Yes it is!


Tyrans that are trying their best to kill any other better option of Bitcoin source code. By make it it an "altcoin" when is actually Bitcoin. Tyrans that are trying to censor any word about other option. Exactly like in a communist ERA. I lived in a communist country...in the end the tyran died. As they all did. That's my only hope.

I`m not despotistic, and I`m absolutely 1000% anti-tyrrany.

But, you fail to see how a system that is broken is anything better than what any despot could offer.

So I`d prefer a weighted democracy, if that is what you want to call it, where you get voting % based on your bitcoin worth rather than just being a user.

So yes in that sense i support democracy but only if it's properly weighted.

The problem is that bitcoin is not a sunday picnic club, but a financial entity of 6 billion $, where our money is.

So it's logical if those that have more % ownership of the money, have more rights to decide about it.

If I`d own 5 billion $ in bitcoin, then bitcoin would almost literally be my property, and the miners and bitcoin users would only be my customers in my business.

Ok , there is no need to hide it anymore, so I say it out loud: BITCOIN IS A CORPORATION

Yes you heard it correctly. Its is a non-incorporated corporation, it may not be legally registered anywhere, but it is a corporation because those that hold most money in it, should own that % of it. And the miners and other users are just customers or employees.

So if I own X amount of BTC, that is my share in this business entity called bitcoin.

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As long as you don't join in on the Sybil attack on Amazon it is fine. However, deploying 5000 nodes at a single house has a similar effect (the decentralization does help with the networks reliability and safety).

I missed your first post (this one) about nodes. The number of nodes is a very unreliable metric. I'm not sure what you think you would accomplish even if you had the majority of nodes.

The real question is why are people letting themselves be manipulated? I could just as easily DDoS the next service that shows strong support for Core and blame it all on Classic supporters to portray them as evil.

Are you for it or against it?


You've got no right to tell me what to do, as I have no right to tell you your business. So why do you spend 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, telling the Bitcoin dev team what to do Franky? It seems you only like governance when the governors get the "right" answer.

You're so obsessed with 2MB blocks being some kind of magic number, that you're happy to spend every minute of every day talking about it every (im)possible way that you can with your Photoshop pictures. But if you really want your special 2MB blocks, I have the answer for you: go somewhere else.

Because this Project is not your property. Stop trying to impose your will on other people's property, and you'll actually end up with some friends (non-sock puppets of that guy working in the cubicle across form you, that is)

it happened when you and your campaigners for blockstream government decided to take to propaganda for anything not blockstream

It was just a question of time.

We should try to use less politics in the ecosystem. Bitcoin is not a democracy. I have no idea how some people came up with this idea?

Welcome to the altcoin section everyone. I hope you enjoy your stay here.

Libertarianism has nothing to do with democracy, it's expressedly anti-democratic. Property rights and peer-to peer contracts are the basis of libertarianism, so you and everyone else cannot expect to make design decision s for the Bitcoin Project, because it's not yours to decide.

So, you can decide how you spend your Bitcoins, or even which cryptocoin you use, but you won't be making any design decision for the Bitcoin Project, unless your code is accepted as a pull request on github.com/bitcoin. No democracy involved. Sorry about that. 

It seems that people forgot about the Pseudo nodes in the 'XT drama'. As far as satoshi is concerned, we don't have evidence of it being fake nor evidence that it is real (do we?). However, the third point is debatable. Some call them contentious HF's, some call them altcoins, and such. There is no clear definition of what they are. There have been shady actions from both sides that I disagree with.

The number of nodes is an useless metric, especially since one of your biggest supporters (Armstrong) is promoting a sybil-attack on the network. It won't matter even if you had 10 million nodes on Amazon.

Said by the people who try to break consensus and keep starting "wars" and attacks on individuals(e.g. /r/btc). This does not help anyone.

Schlong the Oligarchs!






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Stupid remark. A bitcoin democracy would apply to how the network works. It couldn't take out the coins from your wallet to spread it.

But tell us more how an olligarchy is better than a democracy

Not to mention:

• Running a modified client to spoof client version and manipulate the figures (which could lead to a premature fork, which is more dangerous than a fork with consensus)
• Impersonating satoshi to discredit a fork proposal
• Dismissing all fork proposals as an altcoin

The dirty tricks campaign needs to cease.

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Isn't a bit f***** up? Like for real. These guys don't believe in democracy at all. The whole world has learned it's mistake by losses of million of lives when 1% decided the faith of humanity. We don't want that in Bitcoin that's well said.

Again we are on the verge of tacking back what is ours.

I dont see the rationale behind saying it is better when 1% decide about where Bitcoin is heading compared to majority vote. Actually supporting antidemocracy governance is not legal in democracies to keep majority of population safe from dictators who want all the power for themselves - so lets avoid that disaster for people in Bitcoin as well.

I wonder why so many despotist joined originally libertarian project. I guess they just joined because Bitcoin was so usefull for silk road and other illegal activities, I have no other explanation for such minded people here.

Good one  .

We need 18% more nodes and Core will lose their majority. Now that's a leverage we can get it. Since I am sure they will fail to launch SegWit on time, because that's how Core is. It required a lot of drama and a lot of meetings so they can finally put a date on it that they will not respect it.

They never and will never respect Bitcoin community opinion. We don't need this kind of people.

I am incredible happy that there are only 68% Core nodes left.

I've heard they hired poets.

So boring!!
Another thread with the attempt to influence people's opinion that core is evil.
Come on is this really all you can do?!
Anyway keep on going with your parade.
SegWit is right around the corner and the roadmap is clear.
If you don't like it just fork off!

I am also financially prepared to fund 5000 nodes with ease. But I choose not to. I also choose to host a Bitcoin Classic with my home connection. If I don't make a difference at least I could say "f*** you" to Blockstream shills and their corrupted & greedy plans.

This is what is eating the soul of Bitcoin at this hour. Greediness. Bitcoin Core greed to bank on higher fee's and on their off-chain solution offered by their father and almighty Blockstream funded with millions by Banks VC's.

Sounds simple? I wonder if they accepted the sponsorship from C.I.A VC. Maxwell actually told me they have been contacted regarding that. And yes I can show conversation with that being said.

So yeah we need to combat the oligarchy and their threats. They are threating to dump their Bitcoins if they lose (Blockstream , Core devs, and VC's invested in Blockstream plan of Bitcoin takeover).

Bitcoin integrity has been threaten before, but now is time to fight back. So whoever can needs to install a node of Bitcoin Classic, as soon as possible.

In a brighter news. Bitcoin Core is lossing majority on nodes count everyday. Which makes me extremely happy! And again as proof that I am not greedy as Core. I don't care if Bitcoin reaches at 1$ which will never happen. But at least I fought for what is right! Freedom of choice!

You do realize that the forum has been infiltrated by leftists, even bitcoin, which is ironic because bitcoin is exactly the 180 degree opposite to leftism.



Sabotage , propaganda and infiltration has been a weapon of choice of the leftists since the Bolsheviks.