Common Online Gambling Fraud - page 5.

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Quote from: Beparanf on January 23, 2023, 06:04:03 AM

Bonus abused is what’s common on online casino available in the forum because the rest that involves credit cards is very rare since only few casino accepts direct credit card payment to top-up casino balances. The collusion and other abuse that categorized under multiple account is next to the bonus abused for the most common issue here. Looking on the scam accusation board that related on casino shows that most of the user that reporting case are those who abuse the casino bonus and using the forum to get support and play victim.

The charge back abuse is new to me. This is really prone to abuse if casino allows card provider to charge back their customer loss.

I agree with your statement.

Generally, bonus abuse and collusion happens frequently in this kind of space but the limitation would be to have some sort of minimum withdrawal deposit for it to be claimable. This is also the reason on why some online gambling companies are hesitant to implement some sort of bonuses since it is subject to abuse by whales in the long run.

I remember back in the days, a person can basically abuse giveaways by creating multiple accounts and using referral codes of streamers. I guess this kind of abuse does not happen anymore or at least less nowadays.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on January 25, 2023, 03:26:04 AM

In bonus abuse, this is what other abused people who are gamblers often notice. And even with credit card abuse, it's hard to imagine how it

actually happens. But even so, gambling platforms can trace it to these abusive people. So it's okay you did it OP it will help and also more

knowledge to other gamblers.

We know on how bonus abuse works;
- Creates tons of accounts on abusing on having that multiple claims on such giveaway or bonus which is really that pretty
common but casinos arent really that dumb not to impose such terms and conditions but there are indeed times which some platforms arent
prepared for this and ends up on getting exploited and a huge impact into their bankroll or capital.

For credit card then its pretty simple which inputting card details neither be yours or into other people o what other various sources you do have.
Its the most common ones.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on January 24, 2023, 08:48:29 PM

These are fraud committed by gamblers. But there are also fraud committed by casinos themselves. It's not only players that are trying to do some cheating. Many casinos are not even compliant with all gambling laws. Some are not honest in how fair their games are. Some provide terms and conditions that are in favor of themselves and not to their players. Some wagering requirements for instance are highly questionable. Some casinos are also not paying jackpots on some questionable basis. I've just read a thread here where a gambler who won millions was not paid but only given a steak instead.

In terms of fraud, I think casinos commit them more than players.

Are we sure that they are really a gambler? But, I think many of them only use gambling to clean their money. They see gambling as an easy way of doing it and we know that many gambling site loves money so they have lesser restriction than any other services out there.

But, I agree that if a gambler can do fraud, the casino can also do it but fraudsters are wise guys so they will know how if a casino is fraud or not. Only the ones who will be affected with it are the innocent gamblers whose only intention is to play for fun or for profit. That one casino you are talking about there who pays steak instead of millions of cash, are not guilty but they already warned the players just before they use the slot machine.

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It's a nice thread to spread awareness about various gambling related frauds.
Although I knew most of them but this is the first time I have heard about collusion.
Since I don't play any card related games I guess that is why I wouldn't have come across it yet.
It's good to know people are aware about it but is there any solution to it ?

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Quote from: Yatsan on January 25, 2023, 09:28:29 AM

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Quote from: jossiel on January 23, 2023, 06:26:53 AM

There's also the match fixing.

And the fraud goes with those people claiming that they know a match that's about to be fixed and from there, they're asking people to deposit and bet also with them.

Those that are gullible to believe them, not too curious about asking for any verifications are likely to fall for this type of fraud. Due to their greediness, they're forgetting to verify and ask certain questions and deposit quickly.

That's the problem that's coming back to them because of being greedy.

This is pretty much common in local betting and online games that are p2p and are p2e.

There are really instances that the match has already been decided even before it commenced. This is usually the dirty tactics of the organizers themselves to earn money easily. Meanwhile, there are also people like what you've said that are just mere pretenders they know that the game is rigged so they'll ask the players to bet to earn more money. Once people knew that the game is already fixed, they have a tendency to just bet on it despite not knowing whether if it's actually true or not.

People most especially the newbies and the old gens who aren't really techy and knowledgeable enough are the frequent victims of this kind of scheme. With this, we'll really determine that verification is of great importance to not be swayed by such frauds.

Most often with small tournaments which are accessible to 'big players' out there unlike with big leagues wherein you will go up against majority to come up with a fixed match or to manipulate outcomes. But there are still fixed matches with big leagues but limited to audiences. I am up against fixed matches because for me it lessen the enjoyment of gambling experience. But I do understand those who are justinto profit; we all have our own goal. I am just not the type of gambler who'd use huge amount of money because I am balancing the risk as well as my financial capability with this activity. Also I do want to enjoy watching the sports I am interested with than to stress out everytime I am losing big time.

Well you'll never know if a match is fixed anyway, especially if you're not within the organizer's circle. The best you can do is just avoid betting on matches that you think is fixed, and just enjoy the shitshow that they are conducting on the big stage. Saves you the trouble of stressing out on things that are way out of your control and also saves you money on the side. In the big leagues, there's no telling when a match will be fixed, and I don't think they're fixing matches on the big leagues either. If they do then they have the balls (or the connections) that makes them do these things wherein no one will notice.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on January 25, 2023, 08:26:08 AM

Quote from: jossiel on January 23, 2023, 06:26:53 AM

There's also the match fixing.

And the fraud goes with those people claiming that they know a match that's about to be fixed and from there, they're asking people to deposit and bet also with them.

Those that are gullible to believe them, not too curious about asking for any verifications are likely to fall for this type of fraud. Due to their greediness, they're forgetting to verify and ask certain questions and deposit quickly.

That's the problem that's coming back to them because of being greedy.

This is pretty much common in local betting and online games that are p2p and are p2e.

There are really instances that the match has already been decided even before it commenced. This is usually the dirty tactics of the organizers themselves to earn money easily. Meanwhile, there are also people like what you've said that are just mere pretenders they know that the game is rigged so they'll ask the players to bet to earn more money. Once people knew that the game is already fixed, they have a tendency to just bet on it despite not knowing whether if it's actually true or not.

People most especially the newbies and the old gens who aren't really techy and knowledgeable enough are the frequent victims of this kind of scheme. With this, we'll really determine that verification is of great importance to not be swayed by such frauds.

Most often with small tournaments which are accessible to 'big players' out there unlike with big leagues wherein you will go up against majority to come up with a fixed match or to manipulate outcomes. But there are still fixed matches with big leagues but limited to audiences. I am up against fixed matches because for me it lessen the enjoyment of gambling experience. But I do understand those who are justinto profit; we all have our own goal. I am just not the type of gambler who'd use huge amount of money because I am balancing the risk as well as my financial capability with this activity. Also I do want to enjoy watching the sports I am interested with than to stress out everytime I am losing big time.

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Quote from: seoincorporation on January 23, 2023, 09:31:08 AM

I would like to add another point to that list.

7. social engineering (Soft begging)

I have seen a lot of times people in the casinos chat telling some really sad stories with the intention of touching other users' hearts and that way receiving some coins. We can call it the shame speech.

Sometimes it works and other times they just get ignored but is a practice that has become more common nowadays, and users must be careful with this practice.

I have seen such happenings not at that level you are saying here,but in the Stake chatroom there are a lot of good hearten people that were sending tips to other users having bad luck,while this is in no way shame speech,the fact that some users were complaining about bad luck to other people with better luck they got in some way what they wanted to continue playing,the tips of course were small,a maximum of 0.10 Litecoin I saw there yesterday but this is something normal for me,this is not social engineering nor shame speech,just normal gamblers asking for support other fellow gamblers,something unique I would say only in the gambling community as I remember when I used to play in offline casinos when I lost everything in a night there,some other fellow gamblers tipped me each about 10 Euros and I was happy for such gesture.

People who abuse this of course are using social engineering and shame speech.

I remember in some other gambling site such as bitsler if I'm not mistaken, they prohibit people sending some chats or messages that is irrelevant or not really related to the gambling. Yes it is not that bad giving some tips to those who are not lucky that day, it is not responsibility if that person doesn't say the truth or they just want to make a fraudulent act towards other people, if you want to give to them then give, if not then don't.

I am often active in the Bitsler chat group, indeed when there is a bad word it will be censored. on the other hand, this makes the members comfortable chatting. and often active on bitsler will get tips from bots, if sending group messages too quickly will be paused in a few hours. not a big deal

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Quote from: seoincorporation on January 23, 2023, 09:31:08 AM

I would like to add another point to that list.

7. social engineering (Soft begging)

I have seen a lot of times people in the casinos chat telling some really sad stories with the intention of touching other users' hearts and that way receiving some coins. We can call it the shame speech.

Sometimes it works and other times they just get ignored but is a practice that has become more common nowadays, and users must be careful with this practice.

These are just online users who beg others for help, using different methods, and everyother niche like gambling won't be free from such practitioners. It's a fraud too, but not intense as the people who got touched, gave out willingly and with what they've got to give. I think it's a con. The fraud thing is mainly taking a huge amount of money or continuously deceiving the Casino owners to gain financially. Just like the impersonation aspect, where an underaged player gets the documents of their parents to pass KYC and become eligible to use the gambling platform. Such things goes against the rules of gambling, and frowned at too because it's fraud both to the casino and the young player who may be risking his peace just to feed his gambling ego.

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Quote from: jossiel on January 23, 2023, 06:26:53 AM

There's also the match fixing.

And the fraud goes with those people claiming that they know a match that's about to be fixed and from there, they're asking people to deposit and bet also with them.

Those that are gullible to believe them, not too curious about asking for any verifications are likely to fall for this type of fraud. Due to their greediness, they're forgetting to verify and ask certain questions and deposit quickly.

That's the problem that's coming back to them because of being greedy.

This is pretty much common in local betting and online games that are p2p and are p2e.

There are really instances that the match has already been decided even before it commenced. This is usually the dirty tactics of the organizers themselves to earn money easily. Meanwhile, there are also people like what you've said that are just mere pretenders they know that the game is rigged so they'll ask the players to bet to earn more money. Once people knew that the game is already fixed, they have a tendency to just bet on it despite not knowing whether if it's actually true or not.

People most especially the newbies and the old gens who aren't really techy and knowledgeable enough are the frequent victims of this kind of scheme. With this, we'll really determine that verification is of great importance to not be swayed by such frauds.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on January 24, 2023, 11:41:24 PM

Thanks to cryptocurrency, we can somehow avoid this kind of fraud. But it is prone for some Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency wallets that have been hacked and they will use the funds for gambling, after the scammer/hacker got the funds from someone, then they can deposit it to a gambling platform, which is almost the same of this Credit Card Fraud. But I think, the gambling platform for this is already out for this matter.

For a person wallet to be hacked and coin stolen, it is similar to credit card fraud but not the same and they have some differences too. With credit card fraud, it may be possible that the thief is known, I have seen many cases like that, that the fund is traced to the thief. But there are some ways that creditt card fraud will not lead to any trace too. With cryptocurrencies, tracing it is possible but most likely no one want to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to trace little amount of money. With crypto, the thief can have the knowledge to make the transaction to be untraceable too in a way the transaction will not be linked to a gambling site address is what I am talking about.

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In bonus abuse, this is what other abused people who are gamblers often notice. And even with credit card abuse, it's hard to imagine how it

actually happens. But even so, gambling platforms can trace it to these abusive people. So it's okay you did it OP it will help and also more

knowledge to other gamblers.

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Bonus abuse is one frequent act among gamblers, and this is due to greed incorporated by the gambler to make a win at all cost without minding the consequences of such immature gambling behavior.
Like the gambling company ain't stupid to have pull up some bonus offers, it's just another way of they appreciating, recognizing and encouraging the customers, giving them opportunity to make up for losses. But some gamblers don't understand this.

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Quote from: alastantiger on January 23, 2023, 04:43:03 AM

What other common or uncommon type of online gambling fraud have you noticed?

I'm not too many updates about fraud that occurs in gambling activites, but looking at the list of these types of fraud proves that it can be done in groups and maybe it is organized so that the fraudsters manage to do it repeatedly and in many casinos and gain much money.
Fraud using credit cards is a concern for us not to just enter numbers on our credit cards on any website because these websites may leak our data or they will be hacked so that our data will leak and be used by these fraudsters.

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I think "chip dumping" is probably one of the worst reasons that casinos are facing extraordinary regulations. Its just sad that some people with bad intentions can exploit gambling to "clean" their unlawful earned money. I think its hard to check this especially for crypto casinos. People may jump from blockchain to blockchain to block law enforcement's surveillance. I think this very chronic issue and it hurts average user cause kyc is enforced in many countries to even crypto casinos now.

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What about Loan scammers in chat .. ?

There are quite a lot of people in casino chat channels... that will ask for small loans and then people will fall for their stories and they will loan them money. Those people use Alt accounts or accounts that they have bought from other people .... and when they receive the money, they will simply cut and run.

These people will also stalk people's social media accounts, when they spot them on other social media platforms. (Telegram / Twitter ...etc)

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on January 25, 2023, 12:00:14 AM

Quote from: len01 on January 24, 2023, 11:04:42 PM

it's not possible.
removing the bonus completely is the same as the gambling plaform does not do any marketing.
this bonus is one of the marketing forms of a gambling platform to attract more customers to enter there. if removing the bonus to avoid fraud, that I think is not the best way.
fraud in the world of gambling has become a natural thing and the most common thing that occurs is bonus abuse fraud. it is unavoidable and has become such a habit that is attached to gambling.
so removing the bonus is not the best way for me.

It's possible for the casino to remove bonus promotion just like on zero KYC casino, but it's really bad and no benefit to remove bonus promotion because it's the highest chance to attract new gamblers and make the gamblers always stick with the casino.

The casino needs to deal with this risk if they accept bonus promotion, the casino might accuse wrong account and sometimes the casino doesn't catch an abuser because the gambler is smarter than the casino's system. But I think it doesn't make the casino become rekt.

They can put limitations and restrictions so players will not abuse the bonuses that they offer. There should be a wagering amount for players to cash out their bonus winnings just like what other popular casinos do. It will be beneficial to casinos as well because players will be required to deposit a certain amount to claim their bonus chips. If they will just let players abuse them, they will have big losses which might affect the casino in the long run.

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Quote from: alastantiger on January 23, 2023, 04:43:03 AM

3. Chip Dumping
Chip dumping is the act of purposefully losing chips to another player at the table. It's something that thieves have been known to use in an effort to launder money they have acquired illegally. They believe that if they lose all of their money to a different poker account that they already own, that the original source of the funds might be lost. They hire individuals to gamble online and lose to a single person. Once that person cashes out, the money will appear as legally earned. It is a form of collusion

This might never be common, but I did not thought someone would actually do this. I know, this is very possible and this involves a huge syndicate with a large scale of money laundering.
I'm just in awe of how things would turn around from here, from illegally acquired funds to legally owned. This is one of the reasons why gambling are forever associated with syndicates.
Acts like this is quite hard to spot on, especially when a syndicate hires multiple accomplices to segregate the funds into different accounts.

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Quote from: len01 on January 24, 2023, 11:04:42 PM

it's not possible.
removing the bonus completely is the same as the gambling plaform does not do any marketing.
this bonus is one of the marketing forms of a gambling platform to attract more customers to enter there. if removing the bonus to avoid fraud, that I think is not the best way.
fraud in the world of gambling has become a natural thing and the most common thing that occurs is bonus abuse fraud. it is unavoidable and has become such a habit that is attached to gambling.
so removing the bonus is not the best way for me.

It's possible for the casino to remove bonus promotion just like on zero KYC casino, but it's really bad and no benefit to remove bonus promotion because it's the highest chance to attract new gamblers and make the gamblers always stick with the casino.

The casino need to deal with this risk if they're accept bonus promotion, the casino might accuse wrong account and sometime the casino doesn't catch an abuser because the gambler is smarter than the casino's system. But I think it doesn't make the casino become rekt.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on January 23, 2023, 04:55:41 AM

Quote from: alastantiger on January 23, 2023, 04:43:03 AM

5. Credit Card Fraud
At gambling websites, it is very typical to see thieves using stolen credit cards. If they can get the card to work, they can quickly and easily cash out. Cybercriminals can use a stolen credit card to top up an online casino account. From there, they can withdraw in cryptocurrency.

That is why it is good to protect your phone against sim swap attack, if OTP is not received, the scam will not be successful. But the most important thing is to protect your card pin, if protected and not known to scammers, they will not be able to withdraw from your bank.
(....)

Thanks to cryptocurrency, we can somehow avoid this kind of fraud. But it is prone for some Bitcoin or any cryptocurrency wallets that have been hacked and they will use the funds for gambling, after the scammer/hacker got the funds from someone, then they can deposit it to a gambling platform, which is almost the same of this Credit Card Fraud. But I think, the gambling platform for this is already out for this matter.

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Quote from: alastantiger on January 23, 2023, 04:43:03 AM

That's all for now. Thank you for reading.
What other common or uncommon type of online gambling fraud have you noticed?

two of the given above is what I already experience though they did not succeed in their plans but once I was a target.

maybe this is why we must be never lazy in dealing with security and properties because in the end ? we are all losers from our gambling activities that mostly Site/Owners are winners and also victimizing us from all over the place.

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