Topic: Community opinion on Signature campaign spreadsheets - page 2. (Read 1323 times)

I voted "yes" option.
For me, it really helps if spreadsheet must on the public because of not all manager's know who's participants abusing or not on the project that they manage. With the help of the "forum police" through investigating spreadsheet they can to identify those abusers participants using through their alts which is against the rule here in the forum. Since we are trustworthy here I think a hidden spreadsheet is just like untrustworthy IMO.

I saw Bounty Campaign manager that manage the projects here who's not showing the spreadsheet as a public, in that case, we didn't see who's abusing the project, the manager or the participants either.

I voted "Yes" of course. Because we all know that some might abuse those campaign they manage and for some reason, they only private those spreadsheets to have free advertising (IMO) or more than about that. This is one of there marketing strategy. Also, they will not let you know that you are accepted sometimes when you applied in a signature campaign you'll be the one to look at the spreadsheet. If you don't check that you're accepted or not the free advertising will work.

I never understood why there is such a fervour amongst some here to try and detect all the so-called "campaign abusers"... when they are not even part of the management of the campaigns... and then I read this:

"We're doing it to help the manager/for the good of the forum"

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I agree with this.

And also this.


Basically, there is no rule (and in my opinion there shouldn't be one) that says a manager should be forced to make spreadsheets public... However, as nutildah mentions, by doing this, they offer a certain level of transparency regarding the campaign and the way it is being managed, which could help protect themselves in the case of any disagreements.

If you don't like the way a manager chooses to conduct their business, then don't do business with them... that's your choice. Just like it is their choice whether or not they choose to make a spreadsheet public (or even have a spreadsheet in the first place!)

Before joining, I would like to see at least the total number of participants, so I vote YES.

I voted yes. I also have a question,

As majority of voters have voted yes (including reputed users) can this be translated into a factor to consider before joining a paid signature campaign?. If the community believe making spreadsheet public is very important should users be discourage from joining campaigns that don't publicize their spreadsheets.

Sorry reply is kinda off but I need answer so I can update this thread: Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns.

Why would anyone want to advertise a service for free? It used to happen when people tried selling their accounts using BitMixer.io signatures where the payouts were good. I doubt anyone will fall for that since merits clearly show how good of a poster that person is.

Not really, there have been many campaigns where post counts and payouts were linked to the service they were using or were automated in some way.

Voted Yes, anyone can wear the avatar and signature of any campaign so it will serve for the public to know who's the real participants and being transparent is one of the best characteristic that can build trust to the company from the public.

Showing the spreadsheet of signature campaigns was the norm in this forum and up until now so why hide it if you're a new sig. campaign, for the privacy of the participants?  .

@yahoo I will explain the probable ring found on your campaigns and I think you should never pick these users again since they apply almost always and only on the same campaigns, who know how many others account this ring have if he can park a ton of senior accounts... I will try to find more about them him but it is hard and It takes a lot of time.

Red Flag 1: If we look here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42467396 we can find consecutive posts from senior members that now have no signature


Red Flag 2: they use all a 3xxxxxx wallet and this is a Xapo.com wallet (yeah this can be circumstantial evidence) https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Xapo.com?from_address=36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs

Now what we can do? Looking on their post history and investigate with spreadsheets!

Proton2233   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/proton2233-999563   3HDWQDS82Hnz7oCQBKRzuutiDqmZoXrp6c
Lampaster   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lampaster-999970   34iUxR4azr93p9gnpetSKS6hPTuWbSpN89
Kronos21   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kronos21-1002310   3Mp8nz913V9YJGWfd4SD6E51jB4XYLD7uK
warrior333   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/warrior333-999500   3NcnXBrvmG6tWKjqFwizkJw2a6jWBA5znk
Basmic   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/basmic-999503   3HXNrUxVcB6WQ8V5iuHrhKg188br8L6pyr
matuson   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/matuson-999573   36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs

Everyone applied on Moxo bounty signature

Proton2233 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42467396
Lampaster https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42467777
Kronos21   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42468174
warrior333 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42468479
Basmic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42468685
matuson https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42469419

5/6 Applied on eroiy

Proton2233 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28978835
Lampaster https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28976918
Kronos21 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28977211
warrior333
Basmic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28977863
matuson https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28978521

5/6 Applied on Viberate

Proton2233 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21184188
Lampaster https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21170208
Kronos21 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21175050
warrior333 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21183963
Basmic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21115310
matuson

6/6 Applied on Dimicoin

Proton2233 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19799476
Lampaster https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19791516
Kronos21 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19803988
warrior333 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19791396
Basmic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19791479
matuson https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19791479

5/6 on Let's Think About the Future | Signature Campaign | (All Ranks Welcome)
Proton2233 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19518950
Lampaster https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19519058
Kronos21
warrior333 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19519323
Basmic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19519207
matuson https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.19519207

Do you think it is casual? I guess no...

Now for last things, we can look at the addresses to find some errors from the abuser like transfers after signature payments or same address transfer even this can prove nothing since the addresses are on Xapo.com wallet https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Xapo.com?from_address=36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs
 


https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/34iUxR4azr93p9gnpetSKS6hPTuWbSpN89

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/3Mp8nz913V9YJGWfd4SD6E51jB4XYLD7uK

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/3NcnXBrvmG6tWKjqFwizkJw2a6jWBA5znk[/color

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/3HXNrUxVcB6WQ8V5iuHrhKg188br8L6pyr

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs


Do you think this is casual?

This is why the spreadsheet should be always public.

Yes.

Just because sometimes you can see your own name there and unknown address next to it. So if you have the time you can investigate that guy and kick his ass for cheating in bounties.

Often it's easy to catch bounty cheaters, with same telegram, twitter, addresses etc.
On the other hand when you have a public spreadsheet, if you want to revenge on someone it's easy to register just another account with his Twitter name and kick him off the bounty for cheating.

After all it's better to have overview over the members and shares for sure.

I have voted ''yes'' and here is why;
Looking through publicly available sheet gives option to check other people post quality up.
There are usually links to members profile, so I can easily access history of theirs and spy on them 
Obviously not for entertainment reasons but rather to expose horrible posters to manager.
As you may know, some of the managers can gratify the spotter, even if it's only with merit point, I think it's worth the trouble.
So far I did what I just described twice, as most of the time I struggle with remorse for acting like a rat...
If not overused, informing may prove itself useful, not only for the manager himself.

I voted " yes " because of this:

One can wear a signature and go to the Lending section and ask for a no collateral loan and promises payment will be given once payment for campaign is received. Lenders can't verify since spreadsheet is not available publicly. That's all i can think of.

I was unable to create an account on their website so when I applied, I asked if they could pay directly to my BTC address (I haven’t gotten a response). I am not going to wear their signature while I wait to hear back.

I would encourage signature advertisers to refuse to wear a signature while an application is being considered. That practice essentially is giving free advertising, especially to those who are ultimately not accepted into the campaign.

I always thought this was scammy practice, as a lot of campaigns do it and then only respond to someone on if they've been accepted  weeks later. Wasting the time of the people who were trying to join, and other campaign managers for not having a larger talent pool.

There is too much of abuse in altcoin bounty section by using duplicate entries even in the signature campaign. If a person is registered in a campaign with X name, some spammer could try applying again with the same name and a campaign manager can easily overlook this type of multiple entries. And at the same time if a spreadsheet is private, it would reduce this abuse as the participants are hidden (as per I see). Many participants already abuse bounty campaigns with multiple entries even today.

This is probably because they are asking potential participants to wear the signature to even apply, and do not appear to be accepting everyone:

This spreadsheet is for the first campaign and was always public. They have 2 campaign and the second doesn´t have a public spreadsheet here in the forum. The first one was closed.

Stake.com Signature Campaign - Up to 0.035 BTC a week
Stake.com - A signature campaign for everyone! Earn up to 0.1 BTC weekly

And I believe that not only the forum but also the Manager, benefit from the transparency of these campaigns. There are some users who like to search for possible scams or double accounts and this can help the manager. In addition, you can avoid various misunderstandings. Since most campaigns make spreadsheet public, leaving it closed gives the impression that there is something to hide.

What's weird is this spreadsheet doesn't include all the participants. Or if it does, that means some people are wearing their signature and avatar for no reason:


Bounty managers do not _have_ to make the spreadsheet public, but it provides a degree of transparency and credibility if they do. All problems that arise from doing so can be resolved on the forum, also in public.

Can you elaborate more? How can somebody, using the information from the signature spreadsheet, do a scam attacks?


The public can judge whether the manager is really capable of counting post/judging quality post or not. For example, I know one or two campaign managers who don't give a damn for post quality because they keep counting the stake of sig spammer. But hey, if they're fine with paying spammer, what can we do.

I vote NO

I think it is not that important to make the signature campaign spreadsheet public as the campaign totally depends on the campaign manager, the project they are promoting and the participants of the Campaign which makes it of no use to others basically.

I would like to list some of the advantages of keeping the signature campaign spreadsheet private.

1. Avoids duplicate spamming of any type in the campaign.
2. Reduces the scam attempts of non participants towards the campaign.
3. Rewards or the funds distributed remains totally private, which is advantageous to some projects and participants too.
4. Non participants could be avoided to engage in the working as they can spread FUDS.
5. Total control remains in the hand of the manager towards the accepting of participants to distribution of rewards and that's what a manager is appointed for.
6. Some of the issue about the camping can be solved without making a bubble out of it.