I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
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I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Oh it definitely has changed. We also saw some changes between the 2018 cycle and the previos one. Now, even though we are able to predict that a smilar cycle will happen, what we can't predict is how the cycle will behave and what characteristics it will have. The crypto landscape has changed drastically over the span of a couple of years and that is definatelly adding a bunch to the equasion.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
I don't understand whether you are saying we are having a similar bear market of 2018 or this time is different?
As I understand time has changed a lot from 2017/18 till now. Back in the old days, bitcoin was not as popular as it is currently adopted by governments and institutions. Due to the increasing demand and lots of use cases, I think we may not have a multi year bitcoin bear market and at the same time bitcoin may not dump -80%+ from all time high.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Oh it definitely has changed. We also saw some changes between the 2018 cycle and the previos one. Now, even though we are able to predict that a smilar cycle will happen, what we can't predict is how the cycle will behave and what characteristics it will have. The crypto landscape has changed drastically over the span of a couple of years and that is definatelly adding a bunch to the equasion.
Probably this bear market, until now of course, has been the best one since I don't feel we suffered like in 2018. Probably also because some big investors bought bitcoin when it was around $30k, and they kept buying every time we went down to that level. Seeing that bitcoin is valued at $44k despite the Chinise ban, the regulations, a war... It's impressive!
I can say that when we were going to compare the last 2018 bear market, today's bear market was so different from that because the market is not totally saturated, it maybe now lower than the highest All time high that it hits but compared to the last bear market it is far different. I can say that bitcoin and cryptocurrencies today are stronger than before that any bad comments, banned of major countries cannot determined how much will be the last price position of bitcoin.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Probably this bear market, until now of course, has been the best one since I don't feel we suffered like in 2018. Probably also because some big investors bought bitcoin when it was around $30k, and they kept buying every time we went down to that level. Seeing that bitcoin is valued at $44k despite the Chinise ban, the regulations, a war... It's impressive! 
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Well there is belief that maybe Bitcoin will have 2 super cycles so we might not see a bear market similar to 2018. Or if we are indeed in the bear market, the price will not go down hard as the last time.
So there's are a lot of factors to look at the current trend, as the data is fairly young, we can't say that we will have the same down turn as 2018 or we will have a new cycle because the so called narrative has changed, i.e. Government and countries investing on it, whales continue to buy, even huge projects are willing to invest billions upon billions on the market.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Indeed, current bear market isn't same as previous one as more institutional investors are in this market. Not only that, more users are becoming mature enough to catch with the ongoing trends/hype as well as prevent losses with own research. However upcoming bear or bull market won't be same like previous seasons because old users and institutional would only get profits and none will be on losses which isn't quite possible. So we're having both down and up trends in current market, IMHO.
All I have followed is that bitcoin will be down by the start of any new year, then it will behave based on the world factors, whats happening around etc. In between the quarters there might be some whales playing their chase games so that they can bag it for the year end trivia. If you notice carefully then by the time of September to October things start to kick off with little hunches in the trading pattern. However, this is the start where you should not be selling but focusing on the holding methodology. But by this time you have already missed the point to enter into the market. So those who already bought at the start of year, for example take current bearish market then you are lucky enough to make more than 40-60% by the year end without any hesitation. It's Christmas and new year eve timings, the period where uncertain hikes can occur. 
I think it's tough to compare this time's pattern with the previous bull-bear run scenario, primarily because earlier we just saw one top and after that top bitcoin fell quite hard took a lot of time to recover back from that position, forget about touching the all-time high again it didn't even go in that 10% range around the All-time high. While this time even after seeing a complete dump towards 28000$ we saw market recovering back breaking the all time high once again and then dumping once again into the 33k Range. This is absolutely different pattern from what happened in the previous downtrend, therefore it's difficult to predict the upcoming move, you never know whether btc will dump first and then go onto a new bull run or first break the all time high once again and go into the bearish phase.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Yes the market has matured these days because the number of investors and traders have grown a lot.
Also, we don't generally have the same kind of people so may be new investors and traders have joined in this time causing the bear to be less effective when compared to previous bear trend.
Also, I particularly don't think that the bear trend has started quite yet. In fact we are seeing signs of slow recovery these days.
If things go well we might get back to the 60s soon
Bitcoin always breaks the expectation of everybody. As if we're already expecting a bear market to come, look, a bullish turn has come to our side again. No matter how we look at the cycle, there's always the turning point and that will be the unknown price increase/decrease that we usually get to see for bitcoin.
At most times, it's better to just go with every possibility and don't be too confident with those speculations that we see mostly.
At most times, it's better to just go with every possibility and don't be too confident with those speculations that we see mostly.
I wouldn't compare the two because there's at least as many differences as similarities.
You have different volumes, cycle time, percentage gain, number of tops with the second ATH being only a few percent higher than the last which never happened before. Then you have a drop that wasn't really steep actually it was the same drop as we had in 2021 after the first ATH. This is also the first time that bitcoin gained a high, corrected and went to a new high followed with almost the same correction. I feel like we are still in a bull market just a corrective phase of it.
The market changes a lot after the last ATH and it was growing more. So if we compare the past in today's situation, it certainly has a huge difference and fewer similarities.You have different volumes, cycle time, percentage gain, number of tops with the second ATH being only a few percent higher than the last which never happened before. Then you have a drop that wasn't really steep actually it was the same drop as we had in 2021 after the first ATH. This is also the first time that bitcoin gained a high, corrected and went to a new high followed with almost the same correction. I feel like we are still in a bull market just a corrective phase of it.
* trading volume - that absolutely improving and this because many had known already about trading.
* the number of traders are growing pushing the price move high, not going down.
* majority had able to control themselves and even hold during the dip. A change in minds that we mostly notice this time, we never see panic selling like what we saw in the past.
Corrections can be happening but not similar to the past where the price badly turn difficult and hard down.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
I don't understand whether you are saying we are having a similar bear market of 2018 or this time is different?
As I understand time has changed a lot from 2017/18 till now. Back in the old days, bitcoin was not as popular as it is currently adopted by governments and institutions. Due to the increasing demand and lots of use cases, I think we may not have a multi year bitcoin bear market and at the same time bitcoin may not dump -80%+ from all time high.
With a quick look, you can clearly see that the bull market (from 2019 to 2022) is not only tiny in comparison to previous one but it appears that it may be incomplete.
I want to agree with you on that. I think price didn't get to its intended crescendo before plummeting in 2021. This is why I believe strongly that the bears will only linger this first quarters of this year and be done away with once the market goes into the second quarters. Bitcoin still has some unexhausted steam that can get it fired up again easily. Going forward, I don't think Bitcoin will ever encounter such brutal fall as it did in 2018 because of a lot of institutional monies that have sunk into its investment now. In 2017/2018, it was more of retail investors. They panicked easily because they were in it for short term gains. Now that we've institutions on a long term investment, it's going to be hard to witness such market dump.
I wouldn't compare the two because there's at least as many differences as similarities.
You have different volumes, cycle time, percentage gain, number of tops with the second ATH being only a few percent higher than the last which never happened before. Then you have a drop that wasn't really steep actually it was the same drop as we had in 2021 after the first ATH. This is also the first time that bitcoin gained a high, corrected and went to a new high followed with almost the same correction. I feel like we are still in a bull market just a corrective phase of it.
You have different volumes, cycle time, percentage gain, number of tops with the second ATH being only a few percent higher than the last which never happened before. Then you have a drop that wasn't really steep actually it was the same drop as we had in 2021 after the first ATH. This is also the first time that bitcoin gained a high, corrected and went to a new high followed with almost the same correction. I feel like we are still in a bull market just a corrective phase of it.
If you had calculated the market correctly, you may found that. The market trend and chart was changed entirely. So don't do trade based on the current chart.The cause for bear market now is due to war.So we can't able to see the pump in the market for the long run.When the war end, their will back to pump as like old price. Before that, you expected the pump. Your trading priciples should be changed. Now it's best time to inverse in the crypto and no doubt in that.
Well I perfectly agree with you, there is no repeat on itself, the price will move based on fundamental effect and sometimes could lead into FUD news that makes everyone panic and sell but of course, that is for newcomers only but for those who already know how bitcoin work they know how to hold while at the bearish trend. There is no specific time when it will move it always matter on the demand and supply that may rely on what news is around.However, last year we have a twice ATH that happened, I don't think if that is happen before on the market price history.
As much as we want to have a basis of where to put our money to, it is not very smart to compare it with previous years as the condition of the market is different now. We can't follow the history as the contributing factors are already different. So for me, it is truly hard to say we will have a repeat of what's happened before because there are more stakeholders now. I don't think it is appropriate to make a basis from previous years if it is not applicable anymore with the current scenario.
It seems like we're experiencing what is called lenthning cycle this time around, I don't think that this Bear market and the previous one are going to be same thing , When you take a good look at the lager time frame like weekly time frame ,it seem there is a kind of consolidation going on between the upper channel and the lower channel of the weekly time frame, Thus making it take a longer time this period than the previous and coupled with the crisis and geopolitical tensions around the world.
If you had calculated the market correctly, you may found that. The market trend and chart was changed entirely. So don't do trade based on the current chart.The cause for bear market now is due to war.So we can't able to see the pump in the market for the long run.When the war end, their will back to pump as like old price. Before that, you expected the pump. Your trading priciples should be changed. Now it's best time to inverse in the crypto and no doubt in that.
Well I perfectly agree with you, there is no repeat on itself, the price will move based on fundamental effect and sometimes could lead into FUD news that makes everyone panic and sell but of course, that is for newcomers only but for those who already know how bitcoin work they know how to hold while at the bearish trend. There is no specific time when it will move it always matter on the demand and supply that may rely on what news is around.However, last year we have a twice ATH that happened, I don't think if that is happen before on the market price history.
I would like to follow the market trends with great interest and compare the current market price movements after the end of 2021 with previous bearish trends such as the 2018 bear market. I think the cryptocurrency bearish trend may have changed the pattern and took another dimension. . If you've been following the market trends, you've probably noticed that what's happening in the market right now is different from the 2018 downtrend, but yet another sign of a bearish move. What is your opinion
Everything would be much different and here's the factor that could really influenced it out.-Rate of Adoption
-Rate of recognition/legalization
-Rate of peoples awareness around
or simply in talks with the demand.We cant just ignore out that as years pass by then it would really be on different levels.
I have to agree with you here. With those factors that you laid out, the market movement may be different this time.
We can't base the market performance to a specific year because the situation is already different.
The rate of adoption alone can give a deviation to what may happen to the market.
Aside from that, people across the globe are starting to recognize the benefits of crypto during crisis - pandemic, war.
So in this regard, we may see further boost in crypto adoption, which eventually can positively affect the market.
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