Topic: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread - page 3. (Read 5419 times)

I know that BBR is a BCN clone like XMR. I know that the additions BBR has made have their advantages, and I know that they are certainly not gimmicks to make for a pump and dump.

However I am unconvinced that the changes are enough to warrant BBR overtaking XMR.

Hal Finny said that the competitor that overtook Bitcoin would have to offer a huge advantage to overcome the network effects to warrant replacing Bitcoin.

I am unconvinced even Monero offers enough change to warrant overtaking Bitcoin, I see Monero overtaking Bitcoin being a disaster and certainly not good the Cryptocoin ecosystem.

However, because Monero offers something major that Bitcoin does not, I see Monero taking 2nd place easily. However I cannot see any reason why BBR should overtake Monero, the divide between BBR and Monero technically speaking is very small (And both teams are helping each other out), the difference between Monero and Bitcoin is massive, and still doesn't warrant replacing Bitcoin.

I see no logic behind a competitor with small changes overtaking Monero.

If you want my personal opinion, I think that CryptoZoidberg (the developer on BBR) is very competent and has deep technical knowledge. We have a good relationship with him, and where there are things that are implemented in BBR that we can use, and vice versa, we merge and credit the other party. So far we're sitting quite even at around 3 commits each that are directly from XMR in BBR or from BBR in XMR. I think that's a healthy relationship, and will only be of benefit to both cryptocurrencies.

Who says monero is Litecoin, perhaps it's fairbrix or geist geld? That big ol' botnet ravaged blockchain and command line interface won't be adopted by aunt gemima on her aging HP anytime soon.. On a serious note.. agreed, it is the most like LTC of current crypto-note crop, but who knows .. anything can happen.

There was a time Litecoin had a purpose (aside from being able to mine btc and ltc simultaneously), the reason I personally brought and mined it from 2011 was to escape BTC's forthcoming ASIC centralisation, with LTC initially almost everyone (Aside from few insiders) was on level playing ground- 1 cpu 1 vote.
but that point is long moot and I agree it offers no tangible benefit over BTC now.

I'm curious why you think BBR is a clone of XMR with 'marketing gimmick's' still however. Was it not envisioned /announced at the same time, if not earlier than XMR independently? Do you think this altcoin section has more marketing exposure to BBR than XMR? Do you really believe boolberrys alterations to vanilla cryptonote are nothing more than gimmicks to reel in a quick pump?

Ignored? I have addressed this in many posts, I have written about the fact that Monero has copied Bytecoin in a similar way that Litecoin copied Tenebrix. Far from ignoring this point I have spoken about it many times.

Tenebrix (Bytecoin) was first in their space (regardless if their space was actually needed [1]). Litecoin (Monero) at first offered not necessarily a technical innovation over their predecessor, but a market innovation.

The market innovation was that they were not scam-mined in the beginning. Thus Litecoin (Monero) had to prevail as a reaction to their original scamcoin origins (Tenebrix and Bytecoin).

Again, I have spoken about this many times, it is your narrative that I am ignoring it.

[1] The biggest difference here, is that Monero's market is needed (A true anonymous currency) and Litecoin's wasn't really needed at all.

I like your response and well natured-intentions. I mean there is already a loose club of large holders that could shape the market somewhat, I'm sure a few interact often online and have met in person in their castles or whatnot. but this is phenomena is unstoppable. Wish you luck on success of the project and hope you can squash some of the shitcoins out of the world.


 I'm sure you alluded to the fact Boolberry is the litecoin to moneros bitcoin, ie a copy paste with a few marketing gimmicks added on-top, ignoring the fact monero is a copy paste of bytecoin (which is essentially the tenebrix) - that's the kind of thing I regularly see from XMR proponents.


I mean marketing hype...really? Monero is the one with hype while BBR is the solid underdog- what do we have now 3 seperate monero economics threads?. If I'm not wrong both of these coins were borne from the same womb, at the same starting line, I think perhaps even boolberry was announced before monero. Boolberry took some initial steps to make modifications (dare i say improvements) and it's been consistently ignored in favor of monero largely thanks to a less ridiculous name and  lacking a series of all star backers incessantly parroting about how it's the only worthwhile coin out there. Fundamentally BBR doesn't warrant a lower market cap especially with the emission curve the way it is. Much less doesn't warrant being derided as a junk copy paste in comparison.  I think many people have forgotten about certain xmr red flags like the 'optimization fix'. I was shocked such a thing was overlooked, but got over it relatively quickly when i realised no one else in the market cared/noticed/remembered. Not saying BBR is perfect by any means, because for sure there has been a big disparity between miners there which is only beginning to start levelling out now.

I'm glad to see any cryptonote coin succeed, despite being in an alpha stage and needing a ton of work. Wish monero will overtake the useless litecoin and all these faux-anonymity shitcoins, would wish the same even if I wasn't invested but the 'monero is the one and only' elitist circlejerk attitude becomes tedious real quick.

I'm a relatively large XMR holder, partly simply because I understand you can't ignore the market, regardless I don't want to click on the altcoin observer thread and see yet another dicussion between the same inviduals cheerleading and comparing optimal XMR buy-in strategys or drawing squiggly lines on candlesticks and talking about support levels day in day out. I want to see talk about hyperledger and codius, about ethereum and counterparty and so on.. It becomes so much like a forced meme or a marketing newsletter to see the same back and forth daily, often amongs the same individuals about 1 specific alt, on a thread which is  presumably supposed to cater towards interesting and worthwile new developments across the whole altcoin sphere

I started this because for once an actually useful altcoin comes along and now all the regular altcoin people are whining and whinging about the popularity it's recieving.

For all these years I thought the altcoin community were trying to find something that could truly have reason to exist alongside Bitcoin, hence all the altcoins and experimentation going on here.

Now Monero comes and is one of the best coins to come out of the altcoin section and proves that all these experiments are worth it, even if only a couple of coins ever emerge with actual utility.

But instead of saying "Oh yeah, see altcoins can be awesome!" you are all getting defensive.

Seems I was wrong, this section was never about making great coins, it was always about the pump and dump.

Monero isn't a pump and dump and this sets us apart from all the scamcoins here. Now I understand why all the scamcoiners are getting defensive.

So sad.

Your metaphor makes no sense. If it's a honey pot and you got in early (prematurely) and licked a whole lot of honey, wouldn't that ultimately be beneficial for you? You'd be the honey holder, in other words.

gotta say. i am kind of proud i initiated this top.

even thought it started as a satire to my complain of too many topics, it proved exactly my point. Hoping to get as much exposure as you can any ways necessary except the proper way. sound pretty weak.keep licking the honey pot prematurely.  good luck with that though.

Huh? I was demonstrating that the growth is linear and not exponential. I never compared it with Bitcoin.

Your last sentence really hits the nail on the head with what we're trying to achieve with Monero. Let me elaborate:

Have you ever used DropBox or Google Drive or iCloud or Box.net or any of similar services? Well, about 7-ish years ago none of them existed. Then Drew Houston launched DropBox - and his announcement revealed a host of interesting comments. This is one of my favourites:


And now? It has over 300 million users.

Just because something is doable "if you know really what you are doing" [sic] doesn't mean that is the most desirable course of action for all of the prospective users.

A typical "small" transaction on Monero is about 400 bytes. Here's a recent small transaction (2 inputs, 3 outputs)

http://monerochain.info/tx/4433b7a5813428fe96111a2f7b9b9af5a1b10f153d9a8c18c1ff391c8993c266

A typical "small" transaction on Bitcoin is about 400 bytes. Here's a recent small transaction (2 inputs, 2 outputs)

https://blockchain.info/tx/081d5317f0885523c30b5035b1662776ab60f148d4525ccf0531be65ddc8db10

Obviously there are a range of transaction sizes on both networks, but there is no exponential increase. None.

Are you guys hating Monero because it can be mined with cpu? :p To lazy to read all the comments

But Bitcoin tx's are still linkable. Even if you were to expose yourself as owning both a Bitcoin address and Monero address, Monero tx's would still be unlinkable.

I don't consider microsoft office superior to openoffice because the size of its installation is bigger or smaller. Where are you going here?

It's not a "CPU currency", and efficiency improvements in the PoW hashing were open-sourced and merged into the main repository as they were done. Remember: we are not the CryptoNote developers (who wrote and released the PoW in the CryptoNote reference code), and we would simply not have had the time or ability to make optimisations to the PoW fast enough to give us an advantage.

We are completely, 100% donation supported. None of the core team members have any noteworthy stash of Monero, otherwise we'd just be covering costs ourselves instead of raising funds through donations.

Compare apples with apples, you say nothing how big transactions really are. Someone could say his shitcoin is superior to Bitcoin because the shitcoin blockchain grow only by 10kb daily...

And by the way, if you know really what you are doing you can be anonymous with Bitcoin already

Although it might not be quite the prevailing view my personal opinion is that LTC to be one of the biggest altcoin scams of them all, for a variety of reasons, and it has the farthest to fall.

Monero isn't even an altcoin, really, in the sense that it isn't a Bitcoin clone in any sense. It is just another piece of software that does some of the same things bitcoin does, but also has major differences (i.e privacy). Its most important feature is most certainly not the different PoW, that is rarely even discussed outside of the mining subcommunity.

same old :

"Pump and hold high " thing that always goes on with a "CPU" currency.

it all started with Litecoin and then there were many others, a few people have a bunch because they are utilizing a "tech insider" gimmick.

i won't call it a "scam" its just not successful that's all.

can only hold off the free market for so long fellas, meanwhile who's out first?

: D

The growth is not exponential, it's linear. Currently the blockchain grows at about 10mb per day. Do the math.

And you're acting like this is a problem we need to solve today. It's not.

Additionally, a larger blockchain is a tradeoff that users running full nodes will gladly accept if it means enabling a degree of privacy that Bitcoin simply cannot provide right now.

bcn was a stillborn, because it has a very heavy premine (we could call it ring sig development fund)

why do you care about blockchain size?
atm its not a problem at all; for servers it wont ever be a problem and users can use lightwallets then...

Stop dodging the point...

Your copy pasta ring signatures from bytecoin cause significant exponential growth ontop of a regular blockchain. It's the same reason the coin you cloned yourselves from ended up dying. Monero's been around for how long? And has how many users compared to bitcoin?

The fact you guys spam this entire forum wth your threads about how Monero is superior, when it is arguable the one of the most flawed coin in existence, is absolutely ridiculous. You know as well as I do until you fix this issue your just dragging people into a ticking timebomb.

It's funny how Bitcoin has an even worse problem - their blockchain is about to break 20gb, it'll never go mainstream.

Quick, everyone, sell your Bitcoins and buy Monero, our blockchain is only 750mb!