Concerns about the Bitcoin Foundation (email inside) - page 2.

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 03:50:17 PM

Wow the arrogance/anger in all these replies is staggering. I wonder why? Isn't it a simple question to ask, if the foundation will protect the core essence of bitcoin?

As a pundit who's been following the movement a long time, I think you need to use some introspection and ask if you yourself indeed fully grok the "core essence of bitcoin" as you put it. As with most things it's best to study an engineering problem or solution with an open mind and leave your personal beliefs on the side. In your defense, I think some of the guys have been a bit rude towards you, but in the end I think perhaps you aren't seeing the whole picture in some of your assumptions.

Tip of the day: The degree of truth contained in a proposition is inversely proportional to the amount of effort one must expend to support the proposition.

Corollary: The louder you yell, the less likely what your saying is true. Truth needs nobody to intellectually defend it, you only must seek to understand it.

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Quote from: dree12 on April 17, 2013, 05:12:40 PM

In addition, Satoshi was not decidedly "libertarian".

It's the only political leaning he ever really mentioned.

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“It’s very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I’m better with code than with words though.”

Satoshi Nakamoto
14 Nov 2008

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg10001.html

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i r satoshi!

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Quote from: kokjo on April 17, 2013, 05:09:27 PM

Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 05:50:24 AM

I've sent this email to the Bitcoin Foundation 2 weeks ago. For me it is clear they need to state their intensions.
The fact that they didn't reply, is not a good sign. Worst case we should start our own counter-foundation. Noone can claim bitcoin anyway.
We will be the Bitcoin User Group. Email me if you want to help found it, and agree with the original bitcoin principles: [email protected]

We will stand for:

- Respecting the 21 million limit
- Decentralisation, no intervention of any kind
- Not changing the crypto (we keep SHA256)

-> Basically protecting the libertarian and anarcho-capitalistic principles, and not allow for any government intervention in the protocol.

Hi Lindsay,

Before I donate, I would like to know the foundation's stance on bitcoin:

Do you commit to never increasing the limit beyond 21 million coins?
Also, do you commit to never accepting changes that will include payments to be approved by government before being transacted?

In other words, are you ready and willing to protect the core essences of bitcoin, including its libertarian aspects as Satoshi intended?

Thanks for your reply. It would also help if you could put your key intentions on your site if they are correct.

Regards

LOOOL! i really don't understand bitcoin! THEY CAN'T FUCKING CHANGE IT UNLESS PEOPLE AGREES WITH THEM.

and also bitcoin is not bound by the "libertarian aspects as Satoshi intended".

+1.

In addition, Satoshi was not decidedly "libertarian". He cared for his currency above any political ideology, which is very admirable. Few people I know would make something groundbreaking and not attempt to use it to fuel their own beliefs.

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 03:50:17 PM

Wow the arrogance/anger in all these replies is staggering. I wonder why? Isn't it a simple question to ask, if the foundation will protect the core essence of bitcoin?

Yes. Duh. Next.

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You are WRONG!

Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 05:50:24 AM

I've sent this email to the Bitcoin Foundation 2 weeks ago. For me it is clear they need to state their intensions.
The fact that they didn't reply, is not a good sign. Worst case we should start our own counter-foundation. Noone can claim bitcoin anyway.
We will be the Bitcoin User Group. Email me if you want to help found it, and agree with the original bitcoin principles: [email protected]

We will stand for:

- Respecting the 21 million limit
- Decentralisation, no intervention of any kind
- Not changing the crypto (we keep SHA256)

-> Basically protecting the libertarian and anarcho-capitalistic principles, and not allow for any government intervention in the protocol.

Hi Lindsay,

Before I donate, I would like to know the foundation's stance on bitcoin:

Do you commit to never increasing the limit beyond 21 million coins?
Also, do you commit to never accepting changes that will include payments to be approved by government before being transacted?

In other words, are you ready and willing to protect the core essences of bitcoin, including its libertarian aspects as Satoshi intended?

Thanks for your reply. It would also help if you could put your key intentions on your site if they are correct.

Regards

LOOOL! i really don't understand bitcoin! THEY CAN'T FUCKING CHANGE IT UNLESS PEOPLE AGREES WITH THEM.

and also bitcoin is not bound by the "libertarian aspects as Satoshi intended".

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i think the bitcoin foundation does need to have some fundamental principles lined out that will never change no matter what "agenda's" get voted in or out.

after all if there is only a couple dozen members then it will only take a group of craze minded saboteurs to pay a members fee and then over cast the votes in their favour.

imagine 50 bankers or public-servants buying the memberships purely to control the voting results. to get "agenda's" passed through and then persuade the community to change to the updated clients containing these voted changes.

so this is why i think the OP asked the question..

before donating to become a member, what intentions/fundamental principles does the foundation hold.

EDIT:

i like how this post just earned me to be ignored by 2 of the foundation members. As if them no longer seeing the message makes the points of the message less valid.

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 05:50:24 AM

We will stand for:

- Respecting the 21 million limit
- Decentralisation, no intervention of any kind
- Not changing the crypto (we keep SHA256)

Not changing the cryptography algorithm is stupid. Eventually SHA256 will be broken and we will HAVE to adopt a new algo. That is actually one of the strengths of bitcoin as I understand it - you can use a new algo to keep up with changing times.

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Quote from: Herodes on April 17, 2013, 03:06:22 PM

So if someone has any of these political stances, or you think a person has any of those political stances means that said individual has no place in the Bitcoin Foundation ? And why sign such a message as a Bitcoin Foundation member. Do you consider your own view above that of another free man ?

I prefer that the bitcoin foundation be as non-political as possible, except whatever is needed to protect bitcoin.

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Wow the arrogance/anger in all these replies is staggering. I wonder why? Isn't it a simple question to ask, if the foundation will protect the core essence of bitcoin?

Herodes

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Quote from: kiba on April 17, 2013, 09:08:00 AM

Bitcoin Foundation is a not a place to implement your anarchist/liberal/socialist/libertarian politics.

Sincerely,

A Bitcoin Foundation member.

So if someone has any of these political stances, or you think a person has any of those political stances means that said individual has no place in the Bitcoin Foundation ? And why sign such a message as a Bitcoin Foundation member. Do you consider your own view above that of another free man ?

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If there can never be more minted Bitcoins than 21 Million, then surely they will keep on increasing in value due to the fact that a certain number are constantly being lost to hard drive crashes and people sending to addresses that are no longer active? Huh

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Quote from: Epicurus on April 17, 2013, 10:17:07 AM

Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 06:15:00 AM

So I have to pay to get a reply? Also, I don't like your tone. You already sound like a government agent.

You sound like an angsty teenager.

Pretty sure that you're not supposed to actually express political opinions as a non-profit. Also, Bitcoin is not designed with anarchy in mind....please do some reading before you proclaim your political viewpoints to the world

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 06:15:00 AM

So I have to pay to get a reply? Also, I don't like your tone. You already sound like a government agent.

You sound like an angsty teenager.

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 05:50:24 AM

We will be the Bitcoin User Group.
[...]
We will stand for:

- Respecting the 21 million limit
- Decentralisation, no intervention of any kind
- Not changing the crypto (we keep SHA256)

-> Basically protecting the libertarian and anarcho-capitalistic principles, and not allow for any government intervention in the protocol.

Who is "We"? Did you mean "I"?

I regard myself a "Bitcoin User", may I therefore kindly ask you to call your private interest group something else than "Bitcoin User Group"? TIA.

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 05:50:24 AM

We will stand for:

- Respecting the 21 million limit
- Decentralisation, no intervention of any kind
- Not changing the crypto (we keep SHA256)

The foundation has never even mentioned anything about changing the 21 million limit, and it would devalue the massive holding they have anyway. Why would they want to do that. Remember many foundation members were mining minimum 100 Bitcoins a day non-stop.

What has been suggested about making Bitcoin not decentralized? I would like to know.

The crypto MUST be changed in the event SHA256 is compromised. However this is unlikely to become a concern for many lifetimes.

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Quote from: anarchy on April 17, 2013, 05:50:24 AM

I've sent this email to the Bitcoin Foundation 2 weeks ago.

There's nothing stopping you from starting your own Bitcoin organization that advocates whatever you want to.

kiba

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Bitcoin Foundation is a not a place to implement your anarchist/liberal/socialist/libertarian politics.

Sincerely,

A Bitcoin Foundation member.

ivanc

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@ anarchy: The decisional power in Bitcoin is hold by the miners. Things like changing the coins generation algorithm, transactions system, etc.
If you own majority of computing power, you can start changing the rules and hope minority participants (miners + simple clients) will accept the changes. This was Satoshi's vision.
The Bitcoin Foundation is unrelated to this basic mechanism.

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Lindsay is busy with the conference stuff now, you might try her on the bitcoin2013 contact e-mail address.

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