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Topic: Conflict of Interest on DT1 - page 2. (Read 2732 times)

newbie
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April 08, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
It looks like this thread has pushed the buttons of a few people  Shocked

I will post responses to posts later today/tomorrow, time permitting.

What if Blazed donates $200 to the forum to get no negative trust? then everybody who has ever received negative trust for account selling should do the same. if Blazed donates $1000 to the forum. nobody would do the same. they don't sell accounts for such amounts.

Buying your way out of negative trust would be even more untrustworthy in my opinion.

Not to mention it would probably open Blazed up to a flood of extortion attempts.  I think the right thing to do for Blazed would be to remove those who have engaged in this behavior from his trust list to clear up any perceived conflict of interest.
This looks like a good solution to say the least. I wonder why Blazed has not done this.
hero member
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April 08, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
Ognasty is a clear example of it, he tagged plenty of people just because they attacked him, some others do it too, I don't know about suchmoon specifically but yeah, it happens a lot.

I don’t tag people for attacking me. If I did, many of the people I’ve tagged recently would have been tagged years ago. I tag people that lie and act maliciously to hurt others. Period. My actions here are ALWAYS about what I honestly believe is best for the forum. If theymos or anyone in a position of respect had issue with any of my ratings, I would be more than happy to discuss them and make changes where appropriate. I’ve even solicited opinions about my ratings with no request for edits. I do what I believe is right for the forum knowing it will bring me harassment and cause my projects to be slandered, yet I do it anyway. If you can’t respect that your whole perspective is wack.

Look, I don't want to start an attack against you or anything and certainly I don't want a negative rating from you but : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2337754.60 Literally everyone agrees that your rating should be removed and it's not.

As I said, there is clearly some abuse and some hypocrisy around DT members, not that I care since I personally always review any trust rating myself.
legendary
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April 06, 2018, 07:17:52 PM
I can't possibly see how either of those could be not intentional, especially seeing how you built your whole argument of "DT abuse" based on that.

But yeah let's call it an observation and whine about distractions  Roll Eyes

How could you possibly prove intent there? Explain. Are you the thought police now too?

And no I didn't base my whole argument on that. You were an afterthought. I spent far more time (and words) showing how Lauda recently retaliated with negative trust. I quickly conceded that I was incorrect regarding the claim about you. Yet for whatever reason you're still repeating yourself ad nauseam.

It must be distracting, because I repeatedly referred to Lauda's behavior. Yet I "built my whole argument of DT abuse" based on you? Weird.

Fair enough, half of the argument. Let's see the other half - VirosaGITS. I considered countering Lauda's feedback after ziku was busted but didn't do it because Virosa sounded quite dishonest in those chat logs. He said he can't use Og's escrow because Og has scammed someone. Didn't provide any proof as far as I know. Was trying to coerce the noob to ship items before paying. Two wrongs don't make it right. Ziku turning out to be a scammer doesn't excuse such behavior. The warning on Virosa's trust page sounds appropriate.

You also seem to be wrong about timing, again. Lauda negged Virosa before the thread was started, otherwise the thread wouldn't have made sense. Feedback may have been reposted later but I'm quite confident that Virosa was not +4 on 2/4 and this wasn't retaliation the way you're making it sound.
legendary
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April 06, 2018, 05:15:51 PM
I always find the best scammy-ass busting threads following your brilliant last posts Cheesy

cheers and keep up the great work!!

I'm sorry, but the credit for this thread must be attributed to Quicksy's Account Farm - the most freshest organically grown grass-fed oxygen-deprived sockpuppets in all of Bitcointalk.
legendary
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born once atheist
April 06, 2018, 05:01:07 PM
No, you lying dipshit. You only need a couple of clicks to verify the timestamps but why do that when you can make shit up, right?

Bazinga's feedback reference:

https://archive.fo/gyQDG#selection-47.0-47.27


Chill out man. I already took your word for it and clearly didn't push the issue. Jesus.

And I didn't lie. Like I said, trust pages don't timestamp. How the hell was I supposed to know that archive existed??

The fucking reference is there for a fucking reason, you fucktard. Except when you only care about crawling up Quicksy's ass, then yes, you're not supposed to know anything, because you're new here, right?





I always find the best scammy-ass busting threads following your brilliant last posts Cheesy

cheers and keep up the great work!!

member
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April 06, 2018, 11:04:40 AM
To be fair to the idiot, he tagged me before I followed his stupid ass here, since this is were he posted last before or after tagging my account. But since when is making a trade request for Paypal a crime here? It feels like he was desperately looking for a reason to tag the account after I called out his mates atriz/ALU.

Never mind, I understand that idiots that can't look people in the eye IRL, get off on waving their virtual willies here.Thank God for the inter web. Hopefully this place keeps them and their frustrations occupied and off the streets were they can do real harm.

It's not a crime (might be a violation of PayPal TOS but that's another story), you haven't been arrested, and if anyone still wants to trade with you - more power to them. But you are offering a reversible payment method and you're using typical scammy sleazy wording - you can send first (doesn't matter at all), you mention escrow (no sane escrow will touch PayPal), you're looking for a trusted person (LOL), you're telling scammers to stay away (LOL2).

Your admission TWO POSTS LATER that it's a farmed account seals the deal. Don't worry about me IRL. I've had encounters with some folks on Craigslist offering me PayPal payments. "Fuck off scammer" is an appropriate response in that situation as well.

If you still have any questions - let me know, preferably somewhere else though. We don't want to "distract" other butthurt sockpuppets here.

Thanks for the offer, but no, I'll pass. I have better ways to spend my time than explaining myself to a pompous idiot, who thinks the negative feedback he left on a forum account I use somehow affects my life.
donator
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April 06, 2018, 08:51:44 AM
Ognasty is a clear example of it, he tagged plenty of people just because they attacked him, some others do it too, I don't know about suchmoon specifically but yeah, it happens a lot.

I don’t tag people for attacking me. If I did, many of the people I’ve tagged recently would have been tagged years ago. I tag people that lie and act maliciously to hurt others. Period. My actions here are ALWAYS about what I honestly believe is best for the forum. If theymos or anyone in a position of respect had issue with any of my ratings, I would be more than happy to discuss them and make changes where appropriate. I’ve even solicited opinions about my ratings with no request for edits. I do what I believe is right for the forum knowing it will bring me harassment and cause my projects to be slandered, yet I do it anyway. If you can’t respect that your whole perspective is wack.
legendary
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April 06, 2018, 08:41:33 AM
suchmoon-

Caught lying?? I checked the reference but thought it was just the original thread. I never lied. A lie is intentionally misleading. Please look the word up because you keep misusing it.

I just stated an observation. I apparently observed wrong, you set the record straight, and I accepted that. No harm done. Chill out.

Anyway, for the third time, could you stop distracting from the issue??

You either saw the timestamps and stated the opposite as a fact, or you stated something as a fact that you had absolutely no proof of. I can't possibly see how either of those could be not intentional, especially seeing how you built your whole argument of "DT abuse" based on that. But yeah let's call it an observation and whine about distractions  Roll Eyes

You're a poster child of why users hiding behind their alts have no standing in any discussions such as this. Log in with your main account or shut up.

To be fair to the idiot, he tagged me before I followed his stupid ass here, since this is were he posted last before or after tagging my account. But since when is making a trade request for Paypal a crime here? It feels like he was desperately looking for a reason to tag the account after I called out his mates atriz/ALU.

Never mind, I understand that idiots that can't look people in the eye IRL, get off on waving their virtual willies here.Thank God for the inter web. Hopefully this place keeps them and their frustrations occupied and off the streets were they can do real harm.

It's not a crime (might be a violation of PayPal TOS but that's another story), you haven't been arrested, and if anyone still wants to trade with you - more power to them. But you are offering a reversible payment method and you're using typical scammy sleazy wording - you can send first (doesn't matter at all), you mention escrow (no sane escrow will touch PayPal), you're looking for a trusted person (LOL), you're telling scammers to stay away (LOL2).

Your admission TWO POSTS LATER that it's a farmed account seals the deal. Don't worry about me IRL. I've had encounters with some folks on Craigslist offering me PayPal payments. "Fuck off scammer" is an appropriate response in that situation as well.

If you still have any questions - let me know, preferably somewhere else though. We don't want to "distract" other butthurt sockpuppets here.
hero member
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April 06, 2018, 07:14:13 AM
Feel free to start a Scam Accusation against any user (DT or not) who you think should be tagged.

Don't you know what happens when someone does shit like that??

But you already know that's what happens.

Because you tagged Bazinga442 right after he criticized you in this thread. It was obvious retaliation.

You're lying. Bazinga442 came here (probably following my post history) to whine AFTER he got tagged.

I guess we have to take your word for it since trust pages don't timestamp. Sort of like how we have to take the word of a police officer no matter what really happened. Smiley

Anyway you glossed over the point. The post above about Lauda still stands. Retaliation happens here for sure, and it's a joke that Default Trust users say "just open a scam accusation herp derp!" "Just post from your main account herp derp!" Maybe if abuse weren't rampant, we would.

So ofc I would never use my real account to call anyone on Default Trust out. "Oh you must be a quickscammer alt. Ofc we don't have to answer for anything!!"

Rinse repeat.......

Ognasty is a clear example of it, he tagged plenty of people just because they attacked him, some others do it too, I don't know about suchmoon specifically but yeah, it happens a lot.
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April 06, 2018, 03:39:40 AM
But since when is making a trade request for Paypal a crime here?

Since you don't have anything to lose other than a full member account of a value less than $250.

It feels like he was desperately looking for a reason to tag the account after I called out his mates

They are not here to make you feel something else, don't give them the reason by not asking somebody to trust you if you are not trusted.

Your supposed justification is he wanted to do a Paypal/BTC trade worth $250, something that is regularly done on the forums, the feedback for which can be seen across many Default Trust member profiles. I guess it's reasonable for DT users to do low value Paypal trades, but not regular users?

That is correct, regular users with no reputation should use escrow.


copper member
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Spear the bees
April 06, 2018, 02:25:58 AM
Trust pages have time zones. If you change your Time Offset to -8, you can confirm for yourself suchmoon isn't lying.
That's not true. Trust pages are absolute and are dated according to forum time. When I look at a trust page, regardless of my time offset, it will always show the date of entry by UTC time.

Test this yourself by changing your settings.
legendary
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April 06, 2018, 01:43:13 AM
Because you tagged Bazinga442 right after he criticized you in this thread. It was obvious retaliation.
You're lying. Bazinga442 came here (probably following my post history) to whine AFTER he got tagged.
I guess we have to take your word for it since trust pages don't timestamp.
Trust pages have time zones. If you change your Time Offset to -8, you can confirm for yourself suchmoon isn't lying.
Sounds good, doesn't work Sad I don't know how I messed up exactly, but I can't reproduce it anymore.
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April 05, 2018, 10:48:45 PM
Edit: Am I crazy, because I still don't see where the feedback is timestamped. Trust isn't viewable in that archive. The times match up which make it obvious enough. But just for my sanity...?

To be fair to the idiot, he tagged me before I followed his stupid ass here, since this is were he posted last before or after tagging my account. But since when is making a trade request for Paypal a crime here? It feels like he was desperately looking for a reason to tag the account after I called out his mates atriz/ALU.

Never mind, I understand that idiots that can't look people in the eye IRL, get off on waving their virtual willies here.Thank God for the inter web. Hopefully this place keeps them and their frustrations occupied and off the streets were they can do real harm.
legendary
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April 05, 2018, 10:18:44 PM
No, you lying dipshit. You only need a couple of clicks to verify the timestamps but why do that when you can make shit up, right?

Bazinga's feedback reference:

https://archive.fo/gyQDG#selection-47.0-47.27


Chill out man. I already took your word for it and clearly didn't push the issue. Jesus.

And I didn't lie. Like I said, trust pages don't timestamp. How the hell was I supposed to know that archive existed??

The fucking reference is there for a fucking reason, you fucktard. Except when you only care about crawling up Quicksy's ass, then yes, you're not supposed to know anything, because you're new here, right?

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legendary
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April 05, 2018, 09:53:47 PM
Feel free to start a Scam Accusation against any user (DT or not) who you think should be tagged.

Don't you know what happens when someone does shit like that??

But you already know that's what happens.

Because you tagged Bazinga442 right after he criticized you in this thread. It was obvious retaliation.

You're lying. Bazinga442 came here (probably following my post history) to whine AFTER he got tagged.

I guess we have to take your word for it since trust pages don't timestamp. Sort of like how we have to take the word of a police officer no matter what really happened. Smiley

No, you lying dipshit. You only need a couple of clicks to verify the timestamps but why do that when you can make shit up, right?

Bazinga's feedback reference:

https://archive.fo/gyQDG#selection-47.0-47.27

legendary
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April 05, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
Feel free to start a Scam Accusation against any user (DT or not) who you think should be tagged.

Don't you know what happens when someone does shit like that??

But you already know that's what happens.

Because you tagged Bazinga442 right after he criticized you in this thread. It was obvious retaliation.

You're lying. Bazinga442 came here (probably following my post history) to whine AFTER he got tagged.
newbie
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April 05, 2018, 07:47:25 PM
If Blazed sold accounts in the past to Scammers its not a surprise for me that his trust list is full with dumbass account sellers . Account dealers are not to be trusted ,in certain juridiction account dealers are considered as criminals cause you trade personal identity information for money.
Don't quote massive posts like that just to make a one-liner.
Account dealers aren't to be trusted: that's true. Which is why you don't see Blazed doing account trading right now. In comparison, a lot of DT members have tagged a plethora of users doing account trading in 2017 and 2018.

Yeah, maybe not right now but he clearly did in the past https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/delete-me-please-1013494 so, how come it was ok in the past but you get red tagged in the present?

I thought DT network exist to fight with scammers , why this group never tagged a real scammer?.
legendary
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April 05, 2018, 01:01:08 PM
Lauda's stooge, have you done your worst? Lol!  Cheesy - You my friend are pathetic. Get a life.

You seem to be confused. I'm not your friend.
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April 05, 2018, 12:45:28 PM

Lauda's stooge, have you done your worst? Lol!  Cheesy - You my friend are pathetic. Get a life.
legendary
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April 05, 2018, 12:32:02 PM
Dumb analogies aside, here is how I see it:

Quicksy is not interested in having all account sellers negged. He's fully aware of the gray areas and changes in how account trades are perceived, etc - what with being a major account farmer/trader himself - so he's just using this as another attempt to undermine the credibility of some DT2 members and either compel Blazed to dump them (seems unlikely) or compel other DT1 members to exclude them (had mixed success with that in the past) or compel theymos to dump Blazed (not sure how likely).

Quicksy is not interested in improving DT. He'd rather let hundreds of scammers lose their red tags as long as he gets what he wants, whatever that is.
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