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February 20, 2016, 03:06:34 PM
#67

im kinda pissed off already, they said that they have reached "consensus" but all the things were just delayed once again, the problems were neither solved nor became anywhere closer to be solved
Obviously you are not someone who is familiar with the underlying technology nor the development process. Unless you understand the complexity of the system, you need not complain about "delaying". Segwit is coming as planned and the HF grace period was expected.

If I understood correctly it's not really a delay but just the necessary time to develop and implement in a safe way what has been decided no?
legendary
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February 20, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
#66
This announcement ain't gonna stop the bitching or unite people. They've bought themselves an extra couple of years. I don't think a lot of people will wait that long and I don't think they'll be willing to listen to reason even if it is well thought out.
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February 20, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
#65
i get your point, im not too familiar with it but does it really have to be delayed by that long? it has been delayed a couple of times now and im pretty sure that now there is a huge potential that it will not happen or that something else will interrupt this from happening
You are being told that it is being delayed constantly, but it is not. The events unfolded somewhere like this:
There was no consensus -> workshops were organized (to which Hearn refused to come) -> short term solution presented in December 2015 (workshop) -> consensus on solution (workshop) -> work began imminently. Then after the Classic nonsense appeared it "broke consensus" with their contentious HF.
Roundtable was organized (another workshop - waste of time and money) to officially reach consensus and to confirm what we initially knew: Segwit in April -> infrastructural improvements Q3/4 2016 & Q1/Q2 2017 -> HF Q3 2017.
Also keep in mind that both Gavin and Garzik were invited to this with all expenses paid, but they couldn't come because they're "busy" (if the source hasn't provided false information).
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February 20, 2016, 03:00:44 PM
#64
Obviously you are not someone who is familiar with the underlying technology nor the development process. Unless you understand the complexity of the system, you need not complain about "delaying".
i get your point, im not too familiar with it but does it really have to be delayed by that long? it has been delayed a couple of times now and im pretty sure that now there is a huge potential that it will not happen or that something else will interrupt this from happening
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February 20, 2016, 02:57:33 PM
#63
all i see is a PR release designed to try to keep the market calm as the whales try to pump the price on the back of the halving expectations of the hopeful. Psychological operations.
No. Stop posting nonsense.

boy are poeple gonna be fucking pissed off if this turn out to be the case.
They are effectively are risking everything by an official statement. Just don't look at /r/btc right now, everyone is going 'rage mode' on Core.

im kinda pissed off already, they said that they have reached "consensus" but all the things were just delayed once again, the problems were neither solved nor became anywhere closer to be solved
Obviously you are not someone who is familiar with the underlying technology nor the development process. Unless you understand the complexity of the system, you need not complain about "delaying". Segwit is coming as planned and the HF grace period was expected.
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February 20, 2016, 02:56:15 PM
#62
all i see is a PR release designed to try to keep the market calm as the whales try to pump the price on the back of the halving expectations of the hopeful. Psychological operations.
boy are poeple gonna be fucking pissed off if this turn out to be the case.
im kinda pissed off already, they said that they have reached "consensus" but all the things were just delayed once again, the problems were neither solved nor became anywhere closer to be solved
hv_
legendary
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Clean Code and Scale
February 20, 2016, 02:56:12 PM
#61
Funny on the picture in OP is that there are only guys. No women at all. I guess some female ideas would be a good step forward.

I also was firstly searching for Yellen, but then noticed - other issue ...
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February 20, 2016, 02:53:26 PM
#60
all i see is a PR release designed to try to keep the market calm as the whales try to pump the price on the back of the halving expectations of the hopeful. Psychological operations.
boy are poeple gonna be fucking pissed off if this turn out to be the case.
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February 20, 2016, 02:52:41 PM
#59
all i see is a PR release designed to try to keep the market calm as the whales try to pump the price on the back of the halving expectations of the hopeful. Psychological operations.
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February 20, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
#58
nothing new has been reached, they decided to increase the block size only after year, so thats just speculation once again, im a bit disappointed right now by the whole meeting thing as it was kinda pointless
No. This is not speculation. They have to deliver Segwit in April and they have to propose a hard fork by July. If Core doesn't fulfill these conditions then they will lose their respect and trust.
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February 20, 2016, 02:46:43 PM
#57
nothing new has been reached, they decided to increase the block size only after year, so thats just speculation once again, im a bit disappointed right now by the whole meeting thing as it was kinda pointless
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February 20, 2016, 02:37:43 PM
#56
this is not a 100% sure right? or is it official?
Read before posting. I've posted the official statement above.
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February 20, 2016, 02:36:39 PM
#55
this is not a 100% sure right? or is it official?
legendary
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February 20, 2016, 02:35:20 PM
#54
I'm copying/pasting this comment from r/bitcoin, because I believe it is truthful and relevant.
-snipped nonsense-
Here is another shill that is spreading FUD (whoever that was on reddit). So far we have had two situations:
1) No consensus -> Core is evil because of Blockstream.
2) Consensus reached -> Core is evil because it reached consensus with miners and Blockstream.
There is no solution that would satisfy these people. Some people are either really mentally limited (unfortunately) or paid to act like this.

This is the loophole. If core blockstream proposes a HF that includes controversial changes along with an increase in the maximum block size then such HF will not get adopted.
Not controversial features, fixes I'd say. Fixes that might be needed (e.g. Time-warp attack).

Do you have any actual information that is not public or are you just speculating?
I've suggested a HF in 2017 a month ago. I will say no more.

I'd love to hear your reasoning. But it seemed to me he made some good points. I could be wrong. I just don't want to see bitcoin taken over by special interest groups.
There's no need to waste time with "Blockstream is evil" nonsense, especially not people who claim that Blockstream will profit from LN (which is free to use (aside from TX fees)).


Official statement is here. Time to pop the champagne?
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February 20, 2016, 02:31:08 PM
#53
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February 20, 2016, 02:30:32 PM
#52
I'm surprised to see so many people worried or skeptical about this consensus. Maybe I'm just a little too optimistic though ^^'
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February 20, 2016, 02:25:18 PM
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February 20, 2016, 02:23:32 PM
#50
I am also confused as to why it would take so long to code a HF whose only change is to increase the maximum block size. I would think this would only involve changing a few lines of code, and see little reason why this code could not be released tomorrow
Because they might want to address other issues while the opportunity is here? You will see why soon enough though.
This is the loophole. If core blockstream proposes a HF that includes controversial changes along with an increase in the maximum block size then such HF will not get adopted.

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You will see why soon enough though.
Do you have any actual information that is not public or are you just speculating?
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February 20, 2016, 02:11:47 PM
#49
I'm copying/pasting this comment from r/bitcoin, because I believe it is truthful and relevant.


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The CEO of a VC-backed private corporation, and a handful of Chinese miners, just unilaterally decided the future of Bitcoin. And they have the gall to call it consensus.

This is bad, really bad.

Editing this comment to respond in one place to the army of throwaway accounts jumping down my throat:

What would consensus look like? In my view there are five main groups that would need to agree on changes to Bitcoin to achieve consensus: The developers (the code), the miners (the hashpower), the nodes (the network), the exchanges and payment processors (the economic majority), and of course the users (Bitcoin early adopters). The users don't really steer the ship, they just vote by deciding to use/hold Bitcoin, and they'll vote by buying alt-coins if they don't agree with the direction the other four take.

At this meeting there are only representatives of two of those groups; the code and the hashpower. Missing from the developers are extremely important people like Gavin Andresen (Bitcoin's chief scientist), and Jeff Garzik. Missing from the hashpower is the single biggest pool Antpool and other pools like Slush, who have decided a hard fork to 2 MB needs to happen urgently, not years from now.

Calling this tiny meeting consensus? Laughable.

As to VC-backed Blockstream taking control of the Bitcoin protocol, they have a fiduciary duty to create a return for their investors. Their business plan is to profit from protocols built on top of Bitcoin, protocols that benefit from a crippled Bitcoin layer usable only for settlement. All their actions so far show they have a laser-like focus on enabling features in Bitcoin that will benefit the Lightning Network, while restricting the throughput of the Bitcoin network as much as possible until their product is ready to sell.

This will backfire, the users and the economic majority will move to a network that functions correctly.
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February 20, 2016, 02:06:30 PM
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