Cooperative investing between small investors - page 2.

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Quote from: mk4 on May 19, 2022, 06:39:17 AM

I don't think so. Because purely doing it online — how do you know that a certain person wouldn't just rip you off? Fraud would be really really rampant.

If you really want to do something like this, pool money with friends or at least with people you actually know personally.

Even if you know them personally there is no chance that you are going to gain profits 100% which means it would not only mean that you lost your money but your relationship would also be in trouble as well at the same time making decisions are harder since people won't agree to one thing that easily therefore I think the only way to do it would be to invest in shares which are much similar to what you are saying, it's basically something that won't rip you off themselves but their shares can crash as well which they do not have any hold of. This is very similar to investing in things like a new crypto in the market as well, you can always check the Altcoins section and learn more about it, they are always looking for new investors to kick start their projects.

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Quote from: mk4 on May 19, 2022, 06:39:17 AM

I don't think so. Because purely doing it online — how do you know that a certain person wouldn't just rip you off? Fraud would be really really rampant.

If you really want to do something like this, pool money with friends or at least with people you actually know personally.

Trust issues would be the main problem for this one which this is something that cant really be avoided considering that there are lots of scammers and frauds online
where they do make out some sweet talks about investment and returns or something in related then once they had accumulated that much then this is where crime
do starts.Thats why it cant really be possible on having that pooling of funds for the sake of this cooperative which cant be possibly done online
unless if you do know each member of it on personal basis.

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Quote from: gweb1996 on May 19, 2022, 04:41:06 AM

Cooperative investing between small investors is better then investing on your own

Let's say you have:

10 usd can you invest it in something to generate real profit ? No
10000 usd can you invest it in something to generate real profit ? Depends on the margin of the business ,if you get 5% per year it's less then inflation so you lose money,if you get 20% per year good margin better then inflation

Now let's say i notice there is a demand for fertilizers ,and most people notice that also ... but i got only 500 usd to invest, another guy has 1500 usd ,another guy 10000 usd and so on ...

How can we pool the money together to build a fertilizers plant ,if x is in country a ,y in country b and so on and best place for investment is in country c do to fact country c has gas ?

Is there a website / app that allows investors to pool money like that ? ( no stock market / to create new businesses i mean )

This is nonsense really, but I guess it can depend on what country your in and the availability of investing tools / brokers in your country. You jump from having $10 to invest in one scenario, which apparently is nothing, to having $500 in the next scenario which means you have a sizable amount to start investing? What sort of weird logic you've used. Nobody should expect 20% per year returns when the stock market average is around 8%, the only way you'll get such high returns is through years of practice and learning how to pick investments by yourself, rather than relying on any kind of pooled money which is open to all sorts of additional risks. One thing that you do need to learn is consistency and sensible reasoning skills.

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This has been something that I suggested for a very long time in my nation. I have tried to do something like this for real estate, because buying a land, and then building a building on top of it costs about 1 million dollars in my nation, and you could build one big apartment with 16 flats in it, which costs about 300k each, in that case you could divide it to 16 and each person would spend about 60k give or take, and would have a house worth 300k.

Then they could repeat that as much as they want, you could literally do it 5 more times if you do it just one time. But, unfortunately people are never trusting others and the people who will be leading that cooperative.

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Quote from: hugeblack on May 19, 2022, 09:08:14 AM

This is how stocks work, as you buy part of them, including funds. For example, in the real estate sector, there are REIT funds and other ideas.
In decentralized systems and platforms there are pols where you accumulate coins and get a return.

As for Ollanin's picture, I think that trust is the biggest problem in such investments, but tokenization may solve these matters.
Therefore, if you want to do this centrally, there are many third parties that will receive money from you together and will be responsible for managing and investing it.
As for decentralization, there are some decentralized protocols that can be used.

You can't do it via crypto this way how is going to pay taxes to gov etc ,where is the proof company payed dividends ?

Let's say 100.000 small investors pool together $1.000.000

Investor 1 in USA
Investor 2 in UK
Investor 3 in Germany
Investor 4 in France

Example: company needs to be formed in Sweden

Another issue: Investor 2 is not allowed to hold stocks in Sweden do to local legislation ...and so on

Company has to pay investors dividends ,company needs papers etc it can't do it via crypto ,as in court it has to prove it paid dividents etc

It's a f...king birocratic nightmare ...

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This is how stocks work, as you buy part of them, including funds. For example, in the real estate sector, there are REIT funds and other ideas.
In decentralized systems and platforms there are pols where you accumulate coins and get a return.

As for Ollanin's picture, I think that trust is the biggest problem in such investments, but tokenization may solve these matters.
Therefore, if you want to do this centrally, there are many third parties that will receive money from you together and will be responsible for managing and investing it.
As for decentralization, there are some decentralized protocols that can be used.

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Quote from: arwin100 on May 19, 2022, 08:20:00 AM

Do you think this kind of investment will really work? How can you be so sure if the guy who handle all of the money will not rip you off? Remember that even your relatives can fool you when you talk about money so how much more the random person online? Just think about this and better invest on your own rather than thinking about those cooperative which is so risky in online world.

Well thats the point no investor will touch the money a big law firm will collect it or a big investment bank in a escrow account ...
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You should try pool staking if talking from cryptocurrency perspective. Find a coin that allows staking and then find a staking pool to invest in. That's a perfect example of cooperative investment.

If you are looking to invest in startups, there are couple of programs available in my country. But not sure if they allow foreign investors or not. Check for WINT in Google. But such investments are quite risky, I must say! You can earn as much as 25% return if you choose right but you can also loose all your investment if you choose wrong.

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Quote from: gweb1996 on May 19, 2022, 04:41:06 AM

Cooperative investing between small investors is better then investing on your own

Let's say you have:

10 usd can you invest it in something to generate real profit ? No
10000 usd can you invest it in something to generate real profit ? Depends on the margin of the business ,if you get 5% per year it's less then inflation so you lose money,if you get 20% per year good margin better then inflation

Now let's say i notice there is a demand for fertilizers ,and most people notice that also ... but i got only 500 usd to invest, another guy has 1500 usd ,another guy 10000 usd and so on ...

How can we pool the money together to build a fertilizers plant ,if x is in country a ,y in country b and so on and best place for investment is in country c do to fact country c has gas ?

Is there a website / app that allows investors to pool money like that ? ( no stock market / to create new businesses i mean )

Do you think this kind of investment will really work? How can you be so sure if the guy who handle all of the money will not rip you off? Remember that even your relatives can fool you when you talk about money so how much more the random person online? Just think about this and better invest on your own rather than thinking about those cooperative which is so risky in online world.

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If you know the people you are going to invest with, then go for it. But if you don't know him well, it's better to forget about it because it can get you scammed. After all, when it comes to money, it will attract people to be greedy. Even people you already know well can fool you easily. More you invest with your own money and do not invite other people you do not know to avoid cases of fraud.

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Quote from: mk4 on May 19, 2022, 06:39:17 AM

I don't think so. Because purely doing it online — how do you know that a certain person wouldn't just rip you off? Fraud would be really really rampant.

If you really want to do something like this, pool money with friends or at least with people you actually know personally.

Not if you do it via law firm for example:
https://cravath.com
https://skadden.com
https://sullcrom.com
https://lw.com
https://kirkland.com
https://vbb.com
https://hoganlovells.com

Lets say we pool 100.000 people and we send the money direct to the law firm ,the law firm sets up the company and we get the stocks in exchange...the board members will be formed by the ones that have most stocks ...etc

Instead of investing in current companies we create new ones ...

Example: I got a tip that in Sweden there is a big source of Potash , i propose we build a mining company there....

I make proposal , other subscribe to proposal ,we explore and find as much information as possible, and if good investment ,we pool together.

Step 1: Make proposal
Step 2: Research and explore
Step 3: Analyse data / find costs
Step 4: Create business plan
Step 5: Pledge to pool if you like business ,pay law firm fee
Step 6: Hire big law firm to collect the money ,deposit money to law firm
Step 7: Set up company / law firm sends stocks
Step 8: Board members will take over company management
Step 9: You wait for dividend or for company to become listed ...

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That's a good idea but I don't think that it will work in the manner that you're expecting. Although if there's a website that really works this way, I guess there's no difference from those P2P loaning platforms. The idea of having pooled funds and letting them be borrowed by anyone who's into a business that needs more funds.

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Cooperative investment in the case of the crypto is completely superfluous. You can invest at least $10, at least $500 - it doesn't matter. Bitcoin divides very well, so if you don't have enough money to buy a whole bitcoin, you can easily buy part of it: 0,1-0,000001 BTC. This way you will be your own controller and manager of your investments. It will also save you from the problem of trust in your partners and controversial situations that will definitely arise during cooperative investment.

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I don't think so. Because purely doing it online — how do you know that a certain person wouldn't just rip you off? Fraud would be really really rampant.

If you really want to do something like this, pool money with friends or at least with people you actually know personally.

gweb1996

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Cooperative investing between small investors is better then investing on your own

Let's say you have:

10 usd can you invest it in something to generate real profit ? No
10000 usd can you invest it in something to generate real profit ? Depends on the margin of the business ,if you get 5% per year it's less then inflation so you lose money,if you get 20% per year good margin better then inflation

Now let's say i notice there is a demand for fertilizers ,and most people notice that also ... but i got only 500 usd to invest, another guy has 1500 usd ,another guy 10000 usd and so on ...

How can we pool the money together to build a fertilizers plant ,if x is in country a ,y in country b and so on and best place for investment is in country c do to fact country c has gas ?

Is there a website / app that allows investors to pool money like that ? ( no stock market / to create new businesses i mean )

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