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Topic: Corona Cattle... Face Masks Are Dangerous. - page 2. (Read 586 times)

legendary
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A question is, what are the statistics about people wearing masks? How many have gotten sick and died anyway? Did anybody prove that the masks were effective?

Consider that all the people who died under medical supervision, died under the best that the medical knew it could do for them. Many of them wore masks, and died anyway.

Does the medical know that more would have died if they didn't wear masks? Are they sure? Does the medical even know what it is talking about?

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newbie
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Merit: 0
During all this time of this epidemic, I have never worn a mask. But I don’t go to crowded places at all. Therefore, I do not need a mask.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
The real CV cattle are the cops. They think they are doing you a service by forcing you to obey the pandemic. But do you know what they are really doing? Breaking their oath of office to uphold the Constitution.

Remind them first. The get your attorney to see if they even took the required oath. Then sue them for all they have... and extra if they don't have their oath on file.


Police Officers Beginning to Speak Out Now!



Police Officers Beginning to Speak Out Now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxYTL2jc1Sk



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sr. member
Activity: 1190
Merit: 305
Pro financial, medical liberty
The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

Even if you are a fit guy, this doesn't mean that you will not get the virus.
It doesn't recognize if you were an athlete or you exercise a lot in the past. Nutrition is going to help to overcome the virus fast and don't have serious symptoms while being sick - but still this doesn't stop the outbreak.

Two ways to get virus:
1. Inject (Needle, Mosquito..)
2. Damage Cells

Nutrition, yes alkaline food, fruit, berries, nuts and the occasional veggi
Get rid of mucoid build up in body, detox and lets not forget healthy dose of Vitamin D

Anyone looking for vaccine
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legendary
Activity: 3430
Merit: 3080
Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data


ourworldindata.org is funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

your "proof" is basically a black line on a pair of numbered axes, provided by a corrupt organization, and hence proof of precisely nothing.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
One of the best ways to protect against Coronavirus is to go to the beach. Why? Because the beach sand and the ocean have materials in them that cause your immune system to protect you against all the forms of CV.

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member
Activity: 980
Merit: 62
The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

Even if you are a fit guy, this doesn't mean that you will not get the virus.
It doesn't recognize if you were an athlete or you exercise a lot in the past. Nutrition is going to help to overcome the virus fast and don't have serious symptoms while being sick - but still this doesn't stop the outbreak.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data



But when will we stay at home for too long, and the economy will fall apart? The new pandemic might wind up being no food.
Agreed that there is a balancing act here. Food and medical supplies must be maintained. The consequences of severe economic damage can and will cause deaths; it is always the poor and vulnerable who are disproportionately affected in these situations.

Perhaps we are at a standstill with the mask question. How can we know the effectiveness vs the dangers of masks in society? Are their society studies on these points... studies done by professional researchers?
I've had discussions with you in numerous threads, and I almost always disagree with you. But I can't let this go without meriting it. Data is king. The place where we find truth is in pure, unadulterated facts, the full thing, and not (as is often the case) just some partial dataset that has been carefully selected in order to reinforce a predetermined message. Whilst CV19 is still in progress, so much of our understanding is based on projections from the current state... and projections of an exponential progression are by their nature prone to orders-of-magnitude inaccuracy.


Data is king. But false data makes a king out of liars.

All the charts and data are based on other charts and data, that are based on still other charts and data. Where is the data coming from? Where is the proof that the data is accurate? There is a whole lot of evidence that the official data is highly inaccurate... inaccurate to the point of being outright lies.

Look what happens when somebody comes close to finding and telling the truth in ways that can for-a-fact be proven. Kinda smells fishy to high heaven.


Researcher On Cusp Of COVID-19 Breakthrough Killed In Bizarre Murder-Suicide



A University of Pittsburgh researcher working on a coronavirus project was fatally shot on Saturday at his home in Ross Township, while associate Hao Gu, 46, was found dead in a car approximately 100 yards away of what appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot.

The researcher, 37-year-oild Bing Liu, was found shot multiple times in the head, neck and torso around Noon on Saturday. Nothing was stolen from the townhouse and there was no forced entry, according to the Post Gazette. He worked in the college's department of computational and systems biology at the Pitt School of Medicine.

"Bing was on the verge of making very significant findings toward understanding the cellular mechanisms that underlie SARS-CoV-2 infection and the cellular basis of the following complications," the department announced in a written statement, adding "We will make an effort to complete what he started in an effort to pay homage to his scientific excellence."

Liu's expertise was developing computational models, simulation and analysis techniques to study the dynamics of biological systems - in some cases using machine learning techniques to understand cellular processes, according to his bio.

He was described as an outstanding teacher and mentor.

"He was a very talented individual, extremely intelligent and hard-working," said the head of his department, Ivet Bahar. "He has been contributing to several scientific projects, publishing in high-profile journals. He was someone whom we all liked very much, a very gentle, very helpful, kind person, very generous."

"We are all shocked to learn what happened to him. This was very unexpected," she added.


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legendary
Activity: 2310
Merit: 2073
I get the impression that many of the measures against coronavirus are more directed at aggravating the situation.

An example from Russia:

As soon as the daily number of new infections in Russia exceeded 10,000, the government introduced a mandatory mask regime in public transport and shops, even though medical masks do not even belong to fpp2 or fpp3 protection class and are unable to provide the necessary protection.
full member
Activity: 798
Merit: 104
🎄 Allah is The Best Planner 🥀
The easiest thanks to affecting the virus are to remain reception and stay safe Face masks are really so dangerous it can never keep us freed from viruses. Rather it's more likely to be dangerous if somebody else picks it up where we use it. Face masks aren't ready to completely control the spread of the virus from sneezing and coughing it might be better to remain reception following the lockdown with caution there's no vaccine for this virus so we've to believe God alone.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19
https://github.com/owid/covid-19-data



But when will we stay at home for too long, and the economy will fall apart? The new pandemic might wind up being no food.
Agreed that there is a balancing act here. Food and medical supplies must be maintained. The consequences of severe economic damage can and will cause deaths; it is always the poor and vulnerable who are disproportionately affected in these situations.

Perhaps we are at a standstill with the mask question. How can we know the effectiveness vs the dangers of masks in society? Are their society studies on these points... studies done by professional researchers?
I've had discussions with you in numerous threads, and I almost always disagree with you. But I can't let this go without meriting it. Data is king. The place where we find truth is in pure, unadulterated facts, the full thing, and not (as is often the case) just some partial dataset that has been carefully selected in order to reinforce a predetermined message. Whilst CV19 is still in progress, so much of our understanding is based on projections from the current state... and projections of an exponential progression are by their nature prone to orders-of-magnitude inaccuracy.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
Just stay home, bro
If we all together will seat for 2 weeks more, everything can be finished faster.

This looks like a nice idea on the outside. But when will we stay at home for too long, and the economy will fall apart? The new pandemic might wind up being no food.

Rather, let's get the REAL info about what we are dealing with, so we know what to do that will be effective. Don't we have it already? NO! There has been enough hidden stuff come out into the open that we can see that We The People don't really know anything at all about what is going on... except that some of us are dying.

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legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
There is I think a common misconception about the measures governments are taking and the advice they're giving. Not saying anyone here is making this mistake, but we need to cover it for clarity.

The virus doesn't kill a huge percentage of the people it infects. This is a fact. It's a small percentage, low single digits at most, probably lower.
Face masks, other protective equipment, social distancing, etc are not perfect defences against the spread of the virus.

The virus can be stopped either through a vaccine or through a sufficient proportion of the population having been infected and carrying antibodies against it. That's it. Palliative medicines can potentially alleviate symptoms, but vaccine or natural herd immunity is the only way to stop it (ignoring for simplicity any future mutation of the virus).

So why the masks and the social distancing? The purpose with these measures is not to stop transmission, but to slow it down. The spread of a new virus through a population is a geometric progression. It's exponential. Small numbers become big numbers absurdly quickly. This is the crucial factor here. If face masks have some beneficial effect, if social distancing has some beneficial effect... then these approaches should be used.

It's all about management of the spread. Flattening the curve. Ensuring that the finite resources of health services are sufficient to deal with the number of infected patients. Ensuring that anyone who can be saved will be saved. That's it. Even if face masks are only 10% effective, that still means we should all wear them.

And this^^ is far too little. The proof for the virus is not too hard for us to understand. Why don't they show us the proof? So far, we don't even know for sure that the virus, itself, has any strength at all.

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legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.

The question is, how do you know that it was the virus that those people had? The test kits come from China, who has been lying to us about their statistics all along. But if you say that you trust the W.H.O., they're in China, and heavily influenced by China.

Can we get an actual doctor/researcher who can show us the steps he went through to isolate the virus, and then the steps that he went through to determine that it absolutely was the virus in question.

We all have people who have died. Many of us have been told that our people have died from this virus. But many official statistics are showing us that something is being lied about... like the 99% in Italy, and the 94% in the USA. No proof then, and no proof yet.

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newbie
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Masks can help, but not much. When a person sneezes or coughs, less passes through a mask of aerosols than if a person would not wear a mask. Instead of a mask, you can simply sneeze or cough on the elbow or shoulder (perhaps it would even be better).
legendary
Activity: 3906
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That's the logical reasonning from someone who thinks vaccines are dangerous and useless.

Honestly not surprised.

That's the logical reasoning from someone who doesn't know what proof is. Since people don't have proof that vaccines are safe and effective, and since they are only trusting doctors who are trusting other doctors, and since there are tons of evidences that vaccines are dangerous, why don't we get the proof and not the hearsay?

However, it's a good thing when people find out that their supposed facts are really only part of their religion.

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legendary
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viruses go right through
a piece of cloth is no barrier to a fragment of RNA with adjoined proteins

Whilst this is true, there is an important distinction between the virus inside the mask getting out, and the virus outside the mask getting in. Reminds me of the problem of J Edgar Hoover.

If someone has the virus, and coughs up some infected mucus - which is a primary transmission mechanism - then the mask just needs to contain the droplet in order to stop nearby people from getting infected. The limiting factor is surely mucus droplet size rather than virus size, if the virus is inside the droplet? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but this is my understanding. Respiratory droplets are a much bigger factor than the smaller, 'airborne' droplets.

To quote the beleaguered WHO:
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Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus
Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes

Of course there is the issue about the mask itself coming into contact with the virus and then acting as a contact transmission route. I'll agree this is a concern, but does it outweigh the protection a mask affords?

Can you honestly say that if someone with the virus is standing right in front of you and coughs, you are not bothered whether they cough into a mask or straight into your face? Also remember that quantity of exposure appears to be a factor in severity of symptoms. Even if a mask only stops 50% of the virus from spreading, that's a huge help.

Further (sorry, I'll shut up soon), I would argue that even if a mask has an overall zero effect, i.e. the quantity of virus is stops is balanced by the amount it spreads through becoming a contact source, then masks can still be a psychological help for the millions of people who have spend months in lockdown and are panicked about going out in public again.

The facemask might provide psychological help for people, but does this kind of help stop actual physical diseases?

It has already been reported several times in this forum, that a virus in the air lasts only a short time. So, what if you have a virus in a respiratory droplet? Since it doesn't touch the air until further evaporation of the droplet, the virus might last in the air for a long time.

What about maintaining a virus "farm" in the masks? Are the masks being disposed of properly? What is properly? It's already been reported in this forum that viruses on materials can last dozens of times longer than they can in the air. Have we been instructed, or do we even know, proper mask usage and disposal procedures? At what point do the masks, themselves, become the danger?

Certainly a mask is better than a person coughing right into your face. But people have been taught over their whole lifetimes not to do this... even if it happens once in a while.

Perhaps we are at a standstill with the mask question. How can we know the effectiveness vs the dangers of masks in society? Are their society studies on these points... studies done by professional researchers?

Personally, I think that the dangers of masks worn beyond just a moment or two, outweigh the dangers of not wearing masks at all.

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legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
There is I think a common misconception about the measures governments are taking and the advice they're giving. Not saying anyone here is making this mistake, but we need to cover it for clarity.

The virus doesn't kill a huge percentage of the people it infects. This is a fact. It's a small percentage, low single digits at most, probably lower.
Face masks, other protective equipment, social distancing, etc are not perfect defences against the spread of the virus.

The virus can be stopped either through a vaccine or through a sufficient proportion of the population having been infected and carrying antibodies against it. That's it. Palliative medicines can potentially alleviate symptoms, but vaccine or natural herd immunity is the only way to stop it (ignoring for simplicity any future mutation of the virus).

So why the masks and the social distancing? The purpose with these measures is not to stop transmission, but to slow it down. The spread of a new virus through a population is a geometric progression. It's exponential. Small numbers become big numbers absurdly quickly. This is the crucial factor here. If face masks have some beneficial effect, if social distancing has some beneficial effect... then these approaches should be used.

It's all about management of the spread. Flattening the curve. Ensuring that the finite resources of health services are sufficient to deal with the number of infected patients. Ensuring that anyone who can be saved will be saved. That's it. Even if face masks are only 10% effective, that still means we should all wear them.
member
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The virus exists. I know people who have had this virus.
But the virus is not as dangerous as Bill Gates says when he tries to promote his vaccines and microchips as an electronic certificate.
The best defense against any viruses (including coronavirus) is to strengthen immunity. Including proper nutrition and a healthy lifestyle in general.
full member
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That's the logical reasonning from someone who thinks vaccines are dangerous and useless.

Honestly not surprised.
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