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Topic: Corona Cattle... Face Masks Are Dangerous. - page 3. (Read 586 times)

sr. member
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Pro financial, medical liberty
Visiting a muzzle factory in Arizona, only workers wear them.
https://youtu.be/FfNFXJ2e4Ck
Looking at the wall, the floor, the worker clothes, no hair cup, shoes, jeans, tshirt, visitor can enter in without special clothes, sanitation, etc.
Maybe they used to make tractor parts  Grin

Some poor sucker will now wear the face muzzle after he touched it with his hands.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
viruses go right through
a piece of cloth is no barrier to a fragment of RNA with adjoined proteins

Whilst this is true, there is an important distinction between the virus inside the mask getting out, and the virus outside the mask getting in. Reminds me of the problem of J Edgar Hoover.

If someone has the virus, and coughs up some infected mucus - which is a primary transmission mechanism - then the mask just needs to contain the droplet in order to stop nearby people from getting infected. The limiting factor is surely mucus droplet size rather than virus size, if the virus is inside the droplet? Apologies if I'm mistaken, but this is my understanding. Respiratory droplets are a much bigger factor than the smaller, 'airborne' droplets.

To quote the beleaguered WHO:
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Modes of transmission of the COVID-19 virus
Respiratory infections can be transmitted through droplets of different sizes: when the droplet particles are >5-10 μm in diameter they are referred to as respiratory droplets, and when then are <5μm in diameter, they are referred to as droplet nuclei.1 According to current evidence, COVID-19 virus is primarily transmitted between people through respiratory droplets and contact routes

Of course there is the issue about the mask itself coming into contact with the virus and then acting as a contact transmission route. I'll agree this is a concern, but does it outweigh the protection a mask affords?

Can you honestly say that if someone with the virus is standing right in front of you and coughs, you are not bothered whether they cough into a mask or straight into your face? Also remember that quantity of exposure appears to be a factor in severity of symptoms. Even if a mask only stops 50% of the virus from spreading, that's a huge help.

Further (sorry, I'll shut up soon), I would argue that even if a mask has an overall zero effect, i.e. the quantity of virus is stops is balanced by the amount it spreads through becoming a contact source, then masks can still be a psychological help for the millions of people who have spend months in lockdown and are panicked about going out in public again.
legendary
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Merit: 3080
If you listen to any doctors who talk about the efficacy of standard face-masks for stopping viruses, they will tell you that viruses go right through. Standard hospital face-masks are for stopping bacteria. Store-bought face-masks are for stopping dust.

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I find myself horrified to agree (with you, @BADecker), but this is self evidently true

  • Bacteria exist on the scale of micrometers, i.e. 1x10-6 meters
  • Viruses exist on the scale of nanometers, i.e. 1x10-9 meters

a piece of cloth is no barrier to a fragment of RNA with adjoined proteins, such things are typically smaller than 100 nanometers in their longest dimension


if you still believe this nonsense, wake the fuck up, this whole virus panic is a farce
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373

I think you are dangerous.

Face masks along with eye & hands protection are the best way to prevent this infection.

All your PPE equipment should be exposed to UV light when not in use.

Stay at home, wear PPE when you are in public.  

Limit physical contact with other smart apes outside of your household.

See the post above this one to understand why you are wrong.

However, if a complex gas-mask-like mask is worn properly, it could help.

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legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask.

So you're saying we should all wear masks, because that way the people who are contagious won't spread the virus, because the mask stops them from infecting other people?  Wink

I'm saying that the standard masks that people wear don't stop Covid. I'm also saying that they make people sick from multiplications of their own bacteria. If a person is sick form something, he just might be susceptible to Covid more easily. So, masks actually help to spread Covid a little.

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legendary
Activity: 3234
Merit: 1375
Slava Ukraini!
Well, WHO still don't recommend to wear masks for healthy people:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
Sometimes masks makes more harm than good. Many people reuse medical masks multiple times, they don't disinfect it, then masks becomes dangerous. I'm not even talking that many people don't wear it properly.
I understand that in some places like shops, public transport is needed, where there is many people and close contact. But I think that requirement to wear masks outside isn't needed. There is no close contact with other people and you can avoid it easy. I think this requirement should be optional.
And weather is getting more warm, what makes breathing with mask more difficult. So, I rather breathe clean weather. I noticed in my country thst probably half of people (including me Smiley ) don't wear mask properly. They just cover their beard or mouth. So, I think that these masks more protect from being fined by police, than from coronavirus.
legendary
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Merit: 2472
https://JetCash.com
It seems that the virus can only survive for about 5 minutes on the human hand, but it can survive for 2 or 3 days on rubber and hard surfaces. This means that wearing gloves prolongs the life of the virus, and increases the chances of you spreading it whilst you are wearing gloves.

I'm not a virologist, but those facts make sense to me, as the human body has lots of mechanisms to help us survive possible infections.
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
If you listen to any doctors who talk about the efficacy of standard face-masks for stopping viruses, they will tell you that viruses go right through. Standard hospital face-masks are for stopping bacteria. Store-bought face-masks are for stopping dust.

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member
Activity: 980
Merit: 62
Face masks are dangerous because people do not know how to use them.
The way the mask it is applied and touched make it very dangerous and will bring huge contamination to the population. People think that they are protected because they were the mask and they are going to spend less time washing their hands or keeping other hygiene standards.
sr. member
Activity: 1190
Merit: 305
Pro financial, medical liberty
Inhaling half of the exhaled Carbon dioxide cannot be healthy for extended periods, period.
Carbon dioxide CO2is a deathly colorless gas in large enogh dose.

Two ways to get sick of COVID-19 dis-ease:
A.  damage cells in the body
B.  injecting toxins with needle

Face/mouth muzzle does not help in either case.
Mosquito can also make you very ill for other dis-eases as it injects animal dna..
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 1468
Coronavirus masks do not stop viruses.

Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask. Then they add moisture to the bacteria on the inside of the mask. Then you get sick from the rampaging bacteria inside your mask you are wearing.


In Search of Corona Cattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdgg2sBVgkA&feature=emb_logo



Cattle in Revolt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgRsmoGgWU



Check out Unmasked Contempt - https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2020/04/30/unmasked-contempt/.[/b]


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I think you are dangerous.

Face masks along with eye & hands protection are the best way to prevent this infection.

All your PPE equipment should be exposed to UV light when not in use.

Stay at home, wear PPE when you are in public.  

Limit physical contact with other smart apes outside of your household.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask.

So you're saying we should all wear masks, because that way the people who are contagious won't spread the virus, because the mask stops them from infecting other people?  Wink
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
Coronavirus masks do not stop viruses.

Coronavirus masks keep bacteria in - on the mask. Then they add moisture to the bacteria on the inside of the mask. Then you get sick from the rampaging bacteria inside your mask you are wearing.


In Search of Corona Cattle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdgg2sBVgkA&feature=emb_logo



Cattle in Revolt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsgRsmoGgWU



Check out Unmasked Contempt - https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2020/04/30/unmasked-contempt/.[/b]


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