Topic: corona virus death count compared with driving deaths - page 2. (Read 504 times)

There are many differences between comparing driving deaths and calculating coronavirus deaths. Driving It's all up to us how we drive Many times we know the truth and drive the wrong way and cause our own accident but in the case of coronavirus it is completely different it is natural and there is no human hand here. We can stop driving if we want to, but we can't find any way to control the virus. It has shaken the whole world.

So - whether your figures are accurate or not - you're saying that for anything that causes fewer deaths than driving, we should just ignore it as it's not important?
That's not a compelling argument as it completely ignores the effects of attempts at prevention and management. As franky1 pointed out, you are measuring "COVID-19 with precautions taken" deaths, and saying it's low so we don't need to take precautions.

Kind of like saying deaths are really low for people who jump out of a plane wearing a parachute, therefore parachutes are a waste of money, let's all jump out of a plane without one.

The death can be very high in COVID if there is no prevention, on driving you can prevent yourself from dying but not so on COVID, because there is spread of virus and it could be tens of thousands a day if we are reckless in dealing with it, it don't have to reach a high number for us to be careful on how to treat COVID it's dangerous and can kill anyone.

in april it was ~1.5%

also its only 3 months that this virus has been around.
so comparing car accidents yearly to something that was 1 month wild and then 2 months restricted. shows how worse it could have been if it was allowed to spread wild

it is not contradictory.
you influencers you watch on youtube are the contradictors

You can find CDC paperwork that says all kinds of stuff, much of it contradictory.

CDC advises filling in a death certificate by listing the actual symptoms and include details of tests and scans.

doctors dont just put their hand into a hat and luckydip pic a cause and write it down. they actually have to provide detail and evidence.

Man, I had one of those fancy scans, ground glass opacities in my lungs, and they didn't call it Covid. I'd hate to be somewhere where a cough means you are counted in the Covid statistics. If you like the UK's style of data gathering, why don't you analyze the covid situation over there instead? Or find a government that has standards of disease classification you like, and just look at their data.

Dr. Brix and the CDC aren't UK. You folks might do it differently over there. But over here, when they say to call it Covid even if you don't know, some doctors will do this, and some won't. So, they have destroyed the truth in the numbers right there.

Until someone gets with every doctor, and finds out why the doctor pronounced cause of death as he did, we'll never know the true death count for Covid.

Or do you have a magic wand or crystal ball?

Nobody can actually look at individual state/region numbers. Why not? Unless he was present at all the deaths, he can't even be certain of the deaths.

Suppose someone is driving with 5 passengers in the car. He coughs. He loses control. The car crashes. The driver and 4 passengers die. The fifth passenger is the one who relates the story. Since the driver coughed, all 5 deaths are called Covid deaths, Dr. Brix would call it that way, and the CDC would strongly suggest that it be so called.

With all the lying going on by those in government, none of us should be trusting any government statistics without proof.

firstly. when someone comes into hospital. coughing and has a fever.. but no bruises/crush injuries.. it sets the idea that its more likely pneumonia. not car accident. not diabetes.
when the do xrays and see the 'ground glass' opacity and not actual glass.. addds more evidence that its pneumonia.
then when they do swab samples and look at it under the microscope and see a virus and not car fuel/oil.
it all leads to a path of symptomology and diagnoses of a virus caused pneumonia and not car related.

and then it keeps going on, more symptoms. more tests.

doctors dont (youve been told multiple times) just throw a random diagnoses on someones toe tag when they die as the diagnoses has to be backed up by evidence, such as tests and scans and samples and treatments


you can actually look at individual state/region numbers and compare it to other sources. whether it be phone up your own local hospitals or get it from a local health authority. or mortitions.
take the stupid idea that CDC are bunching numbers together. yet. (as you have been told many times now) they actually have separate categories for all deaths, all flu like illness deaths and covid only deaths. where by the covid deaths on CDC matches the other sources. yet the other deaths and other flu like illness deaths are not disappearing. there is actually a measured INCREASE of deaths compared to the norm that follow the line of deaths by covid.

you been told this. and yet you keep back tracking back to old mythical conspiracy scripts..


anyway.. the ultimate test..
are you the fox news lover or the trump lover
fox news is now sidestepping to reveal the risks of HCQ. yet trump is telling people to ingest it like a daily supplement.
which way does your influencers push you now
the heath risks of HCQ or the stupid ass kiss of consumerism

Prove that Worldometers isn't a pack of lies.

Don't get me wrong. I don't know if it is or not. But I haven't see the proof that it isn't.

 

OP is idiotic idiot. According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ stats the current lethality of crownvirus is 14% Imagine the number of deaths if 14% of people die when they seat into car for first time.

The interesting part of this thread is the comparison.

When you get right down to it, driving kills very few... far less than are attributed to driving deaths, by the officials. Most so-called driving deaths are stupidity deaths, not driving deaths. Some people are stupid by not being attentive. Others are stupid by getting on roads where they aren't experienced enough to handle the traffic. Others have a back seat full of wild kids that distract them. A few ride bicycle on roads with heavy traffic. You can think of all kinds of driving circumstances where all that people had to do was be less stupid, and they wouldn't have died, or they wouldn't have killed some innocent bystander. These deaths are called driving deaths, but they really are stupidity deaths.

Same with Covid. There are a few young, healthy people who die from a disease. But most people who die (non-violently), die from lack of satisfying their nutritional needs or pushing themselves over the edge. Most people who have heart conditions, get cancer or diabetes, or have some other degenerative disease fall into this category. When their bodies are weak in the first place, and they get Covid, the officials say they died from Covid. But they didn't. They died from not keeping themselves prepared to fight off diseases.

So we see that the statistics are wrong. There are far fewer driving deaths than reported. And in a similar way there are far fewer Covid deaths than reported. There might be less than a hundredth of the reported deaths in either category. Rather, the deaths are from stupidity and lack of preparation.

People are stupid. They call a death a driving death, or a Covid death, because it's much easier to categorize it that way. And because they are stupid, they barely focus on the real cause of death in most cases. The real cause of death is sin in the world. And the only way to get out of death is to believe in Jesus-God, and the salvation He provides. Then, live a righteous life - a God-righteous life - and die, knowing that God will raise you to life again at the last day.


Just putting it into perspective a little.

but in relation to total economic impact, driving kills more young people, than corona that kills rather old people and black people for whatever reason.

The first thing franky1 doesn't realize is that there are no statistics outside of deaths. Cause of death is totally unknown because of orders from Dr. Brix and the CDC to call anything a Covid death that you feel like calling a Covid death, but to make sure that you have mostly Covid deaths listed in the final tally.

The second thing is a thing that franky1 knows, but tries to dodge. That is that when you stick Covid sick people into groups of people without Covid, some of the Covid negative people will catch Covid from the Covid positive people. And that is one of the big important points regarding nursing homes. Why not protect the nursing homes by quarantining them?

On the one hand franky1 says to quarantine yourselves. Then he says to do just the exact opposite of quarantining with the people who could most easily catch Covid and die from it... the people in nursing homes.

At heart franky1 is a murderer, just like the governors of states that ordered Covid sick into non-Covid sick nursing homes.

The most important part of all this is the mindset of franky1. He is on the side of murderers. So he shows himself to be a murderer at heart. I really need to bookmark this post, just to show people in the future that they are dealing with an intentional murderer when they are talking to franky1.

It is not the same thing. It is like comparing Watermelons with apricots.
Driving deaths are not contagious. It is an incident that is caused by people's acts and that's all. On the other hand, you are getting infected by coronavirus without causing it.

Self isolation? That doesn't work at all!
We have this so called isolation in the EU and I watch it fail every single day.
Store clerks are forced to work in face masks, but it's impossible to do it 8 hours a day when the temperature is 25*C or more so they keep it half way down, they take it off whenever they can to get some air... If there really was a virus in the store they'd get sick sooner or later.
I can see people buying food in gloves, but then they take those gloves off and put products in their fridges and cupboards. How many people disinfect their kitchen cabinets and fridges every time they bring something new from the store? How many people disinfect their shoes, cars after coming back grom the store?
The truth is that most of us already got sick and recovered, but we don't know it because most people don't test themselves if they don't feel bad. The Covid statistics are artificially inflated.

what badecker does not realise about nursing homes is that most deaths are due to them getting it but not being medically treated because they signed a 'do not intervene/resuscitate' order

thus a hospital sends them back to a nursing home for palliative care

this is actually one thing that badecker could have (if he caught up to current news) about how some nursing homes have actually re-reviewed their residents care plans and put people on these do not resuscitate/palliative care plans

also that US government did not plan anything in february/march to actually organise nursing homes to be more suitable.. (heck neither did UK really)

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and last to note. people dont go to hospital healthy and request treatment to make them sick... they instead are sick first and go to hospital to improve the odds of recovery.
in short. more people would die without treatment.

hense the lockdown. to keep people at a distance from each other to reduce how many get sick so that hospitals dont get overwhelmed so that there is enough capacity to treat and improve the odds of recovery for those limited amount that do get sick.
without lockdown soo many more would get sick faster and overwhelm the hospitals leaving people untreated and dying in hoards of numbers due to not even being given oxygen. let alone any pain meds or other medications to help

Driving deaths are simply part of total deaths. Driving deaths are far below deaths of people under medical care.

People are not entirely stupid. When they hear about a driving death, they slow down, and make sure their kids have their seat belts on. Driving deaths are as low as they are because people are being careful.

The only reason why government is interested in keeping people from dying is, the more the people, the more the workers. The more the workers, the more the paid workers. The more the paid workers, the more the income tax money.

If government really cared about people, they wouldn't have required that Covid positive people be sent to nursing homes where Covid negative people were living.

So we see. On the one hand government cares about keeping people alive so to get more money. On the other hand, government goes about euthanizing people to keep from losing money... nursing home patients.

Another thing to consider is the % of population that are exposed to this risk. Driving accidents would be a data from about 90% of world population and the population that are in virus prone areas are still below 50.