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legendary
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October 26, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
"Stricter lockdown and less covid cases" vs "lighter lockdown and more covid cases".

The government in my country is concerned more about money than about people. I'd imagine it's the same in many countries. They don't mind if people die, so long as it is not too many, which might cause them problems in the next election. They will do whatever they can to keep economic disruption to a minimum. The vaccination programme has meant that on average a person who contracts Covid now has a much higher chance of only mild symptoms, a much lower chance of death, than they had early last year.  So lockdowns and restrictions are lighter now, and total cases are higher, but deaths have not increased.

Always remember. It isn't government. It is some people who are using government as a tool to manipulate things. So, defeating government is defeating bad people who use government wrongly.

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legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
October 26, 2021, 07:08:27 AM
"Stricter lockdown and less covid cases" vs "lighter lockdown and more covid cases".

The government in my country is concerned more about money than about people. I'd imagine it's the same in many countries. They don't mind if people die, so long as it is not too many, which might cause them problems in the next election. They will do whatever they can to keep economic disruption to a minimum. The vaccination programme has meant that on average a person who contracts Covid now has a much higher chance of only mild symptoms, a much lower chance of death, than they had early last year.  So lockdowns and restrictions are lighter now, and total cases are higher, but deaths have not increased.
legendary
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October 26, 2021, 06:40:30 AM
I'd say that people are more ignoring social distancing and other safety rules. All they think about "virus would strike anyone but me".
I am worried more about the curfew. There are not so many people outside after 21:00. Even if I am a virus carrier, the probability that I will infect someone is not as high as it might be at peak hours. But curfew sets the population up negatively about government future decisions. I just dont get how this could help. Even if I am a social distancing and safety measures abuser, a got covid confirmed, I can wait till morning and go out infecting people...

I've noticed, that compared to Autumn 2020, right now the number of new cases is two times higher, but lockdown measures are weaker. During previous lockdowns we had all children playgrounds closed, even benches were crossed with lines, we have strict list goods to be bought in shops (only food, medicine), even coffees and restaurants were closed completely. As example, when I had to work from home, during lunch I was not able to go out with my kid on a playground, as well as not able to buy toys and even Xmas gift. But, right now I can go and buy any toy or anything I want. I can even go to building materials store, build my own playground for every kid in my neighborhood (to bad I had to close it after 21:00 till 06:00, but who cares, kids are not outside at this time), and get them take-away food.

"Stricter lockdown and less covid cases" vs "lighter lockdown and more covid cases".

hero member
Activity: 1459
Merit: 973
October 26, 2021, 06:35:07 AM
Countries who are well on the way to reaching cashless,carbon neutral societies ran by green goblins who obey their overlords don't have to be dealin wit diz lockdown shizzle 
legendary
Activity: 1904
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October 26, 2021, 06:09:28 AM
I dont want to name country I am from, that is why I will post plain statistics that I remember. Last year in same month we had around 1000 cases and 10-15 deaths daily. Now we are having 2500-3000 cases and ~30 deaths daily. In general - we got vaccinated and during a year covid situation got worse. How could this even be?
Difficult to say without knowing the specifics, but there are in general many complicating factors. For example my country is highly vaccinated, but our number of Covid cases is nearly at a record high. Why? Vaccination has meant that now a far lower proportion of people who contract Covid experience severe symptoms, and the overall death rate is low, so the government has decided not to implement a lockdown, and is progressively easing social restrictions.
Your figures suggest that vaccination in your country has not reduced the death rate amongst people who contract the virus. I'm skeptical.


We are during a lockdown for several weeks, number of cases stays the same.
Total cases or new cases? Obviously there will be a lag of a number of weeks, either way. If it's not improving after a month or so, then I'd suggest that the lockdown is not strong enough, or people are ignoring it.


What I dont understand is curfew from 21:00 to 6:00. How can this help and improve situation?
I don't know, it may be pointless if people are allowed to gather freely at other times.


We dont have a martial law in our country, but I cant got to a shop for example, if I had forgotten to get something for an evening movie. Another stupid situation - yesterday after a walk&chat with my friend, I had to speed walking or was almost running at home.
But this isn't about whether lockdowns and social distancing are a good idea, it's more an objection to the specifics of the implementation. A poorly implemented idea doesn't invalidate the idea.


Btw, a friend of mine once mentioned that during WW2, at first people were divided into everyone else and Jews. Jews had to carry ID everywhere and there were places where they were not let in. Then Jews annihilation started. Don't you find Jews, ID, not letting them in identical to dividing people to vaccinated and unvaccinated, and not letting unvaccinated people in some shops or giving them services?
I find it both preposterous and morally abhorrent when people compare having to show a vaccine passport to the holocaust. If you believe that vaccination is a prelude to a global extermination programme, then you're an imbecile. Do you really think that living in 2021 and having to show a vaccine passport to get into certain places is the same as being a Jew in 1943, and on a train bound for Auschwitz?
If you re-read my post, you would notice that "a friend of mine" made such a comparison. Btw, user Tash made a good post. Just read his post, make a replacement and find similarities.
Then I think your friend's contention is morally abhorrent. Having to show ID when you enter a shop is somewhat different to being imprisoned in a Nazi death camp.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
October 26, 2021, 05:47:36 AM
Official statistic of people dying each week from what ever reason from 23 countries.
Can someone point out the excess death people are from the pandemie.
The only slight noticable uptick as soon as vaccines arrived, but nothing to see the first full year. Some places like NI even below average.
Vaccine deaths are real.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Thanks for trying to get some data; many people don't even bother to do that.
However, your highlighted timeframe is a year out. The pandemic arrived in Europe in early 2020, not 2019. The huge spike in deaths in early 2020 coincides with the first wave of Covid, prior to the initial lockdown. Many countries then experienced a second wave, which tailed off quite dramatically in the first half of 2021 as population vaccination levels increased.
sr. member
Activity: 1190
Merit: 305
Pro financial, medical liberty
October 26, 2021, 05:37:53 AM
 Official statistic of people dying each week from what ever reason from 23 countries.
Can someone point out the excess death people are from the pandemie.
The only slight noticable uptick as soon as vaccines arrived, but nothing to see the first full year. Some places like NI even below average.
Vaccine deaths are real.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps



Feed humans to wild animals, ye right bobo
https://youtu.be/N5yvBIcSWIk
legendary
Activity: 2520
Merit: 1218
October 26, 2021, 03:02:43 AM
we have lost 1 year and haven't achieved anything. We got vaccination, we got lots of citizens vaccinated, we got number of cases higher than it was year ago (the time we had no vaccine).
But has the number of deaths as a proportion of cases reduced?

I dont want to name country I am from, that is why I will post plain statistics that I remember. Last year in same month we had around 1000 cases and 10-15 deaths daily. Now we are having 2500-3000 cases and ~30 deaths daily. In general - we got vaccinated and during a year covid situation got worse. How could this even be?

We have another lockdown and curfew, even though previous lockdown and curfew showed no result.
Really? A full lockdown had zero effect on the exponential rise in cases? This seems unlikely. Do you have the data?

We are during a lockdown for several weeks, number of cases stays the same. What I dont understand is curfew from 21:00 to 6:00. How can this help and improve situation? During autumn, people dont usually spend a lot of time outside or accumulate in one place during these hours.

We dont have a martial law in our country, but I cant got to a shop for example, if I had forgotten to get something for an evening movie. Another stupid situation - yesterday after a walk&chat with my friend, I had to speed walking or was almost running at home looking back. Because it was almost 21:00 and during talking time flies quickly. I felt like a school kid that did something wrong and was running home to hide. Like I was guilty of something. Guilty for having a walk. Sounds stupid...

Btw, a friend of mine once mentioned that during WW2, at first people were divided into everyone else and Jews. Jews had to carry ID everywhere and there were places where they were not let in. Then Jews annihilation started. Don't you find Jews, ID, not letting them in identical to dividing people to vaccinated and unvaccinated, and not letting unvaccinated people in some shops or giving them services?
I find it both preposterous and morally abhorrent when people compare having to show a vaccine passport to the holocaust. If you believe that vaccination is a prelude to a global extermination programme, then you're an imbecile. Do you really think that living in 2021 and having to show a vaccine passport to get into certain places is the same as being a Jew in 1943, and on a train bound for Auschwitz?

If you re-read my post, you would notice that "a friend of mine" made such a comparison. Btw, user Tash made a good post. Just read his post, make a replacement and find similarities.
hero member
Activity: 1459
Merit: 973
October 24, 2021, 10:32:37 AM
Anna Frank "The Diary  of a Young Girl",
 just replace the first word with Unvaccinated

Jews required to wear a yellow star or arm band
Jews required to frequent only Jews-owned barbershops and beauty parlors
Jews required to do their shopping between 3 and 5 PM
Jews were forbidden to be out on the streets between 8 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Jews forbidden to attend theaters, movies or any other forms of entertainment
Jews forbidden to ride in cars, even their own
Jews forbidden to use swimming pools, tennis courts, hockey fields or any other athletic fields
Jews forbidden to go rowing
Jews forbidden to take part in any athletic activity in public
Jews forbidden to sit in their gardens or those of their friends after 8 pm
Jews forbidden to visit Jews in their homes
Jews were required to attend Jewish schools, etc
You couldn't do this and you couldn't do that, but life went on.
Jacque always said to me, "I don't dare do anything anymore, 'cause I'm afraid it's not allowed."

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The general population of collaborators were equally to blame with hitler and his hench men. There were plenty of decent German citizens who sheltered Jews and tried to help them escape persecution but the majority of Germans "allowed" it all to happen. Without the compliance of the private citizens and business community tyrants have no power.
sr. member
Activity: 1190
Merit: 305
Pro financial, medical liberty
October 24, 2021, 01:56:39 AM
Anna Frank "The Diary  of a Young Girl",
 just replace the first word with Unvaccinated

Jews required to wear a yellow star or arm band
Jews required to frequent only Jews-owned barbershops and beauty parlors
Jews required to do their shopping between 3 and 5 PM
Jews were forbidden to be out on the streets between 8 p.m. and 6 a.m.
Jews forbidden to attend theaters, movies or any other forms of entertainment
Jews forbidden to ride in cars, even their own
Jews forbidden to use swimming pools, tennis courts, hockey fields or any other athletic fields
Jews forbidden to go rowing
Jews forbidden to take part in any athletic activity in public
Jews forbidden to sit in their gardens or those of their friends after 8 pm
Jews forbidden to visit Jews in their homes
Jews were required to attend Jewish schools, etc
You couldn't do this and you couldn't do that, but life went on.
Jacque always said to me, "I don't dare do anything anymore, 'cause I'm afraid it's not allowed."

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Extracts from Sweet Wormwood Plant Can Inhibit the COVID-19 Virus
https://www.wpi.edu/news/early-research-finds-extracts-sweet-wormwood-plant-can-inhibit-covid-19-virus


The Undeniable Ivermectin Miracle in India
https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/





hero member
Activity: 1459
Merit: 973
October 23, 2021, 09:14:38 PM
Countries will to go back into lockdown.

Shops, restaurants, schools and entertainment will be closed, & only essential services available.

Then the lockdown will then be eased only for the vaccinated only because the vax cult members will lay down the hate on the unvaxxed as planned by those shaking the jar.

Global play

Collaborators who ran like goats to get jabbed and turned on their fellow citizen are 100% to blame for TPTB pulling off the whole digital green passport plan. Fucking dummies Cool

legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1277
October 23, 2021, 09:59:13 AM
we have lost 1 year and haven't achieved anything. We got vaccination, we got lots of citizens vaccinated, we got number of cases higher than it was year ago (the time we had no vaccine).
But has the number of deaths as a proportion of cases reduced?


We have another lockdown and curfew, even though previous lockdown and curfew showed no result.
Really? A full lockdown had zero effect on the exponential rise in cases? This seems unlikely. Do you have the data?


Btw, a friend of mine once mentioned that during WW2, at first people were divided into everyone else and Jews. Jews had to carry ID everywhere and there were places where they were not let in. Then Jews annihilation started. Don't you find Jews, ID, not letting them in identical to dividing people to vaccinated and unvaccinated, and not letting unvaccinated people in some shops or giving them services?
I find it both preposterous and morally abhorrent when people compare having to show a vaccine passport to the holocaust. If you believe that vaccination is a prelude to a global extermination programme, then you're an imbecile. Do you really think that living in 2021 and having to show a vaccine passport to get into certain places is the same as being a Jew in 1943, and on a train bound for Auschwitz?
sr. member
Activity: 728
Merit: 255
October 23, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
this whole "pandemic" is a bunch of nonsense and the scariest thing about it I think is that all these (fake) "woke" people have been conned into believing they are on the right side of history and how they just care about protecting other people by forcing other people to follow their very narrowminded view of the world. In hawaii shit has gone completely nuts people have to quarantine for 10 days if they dont get tested or vaxxed and they track your phone during the "quarantine" it's complete and utter bullshit it pissed me off to no end! haha
legendary
Activity: 2828
Merit: 1515
October 23, 2021, 02:19:32 AM
https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1450947395508858880

Dr. Fauci lied, and he knew he lied.

During his boxing match in a congressional hearing with Rand Paul, he said that making a virus more transmissible to certain organisms wasn't not considered gain of function research. Here, the NIH admits they funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and this lab did in fact conduct gain of function research in mouse models, where a virus was "modified" and made more deadly. Makes a lot of sense why any theories of a lab leak were shot down, it would lead to some inconvenient discoveries on where the US likes to spend its money.
sr. member
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Merit: 305
Pro financial, medical liberty
October 22, 2021, 11:26:53 AM
Some positive news:
Mandatory mask regime canceled in Belarus
This was announced by the Ministry of Health

Ah right, paper from March 2019 Graphene Nanomaterials-Based Radio-Frequency/Microwave Biosensors for Biomaterials Detection
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6470802/


Way to go, 750 gerneral electric contract workers walk off
https://tinyurl.com/5b8ycya3
sr. member
Activity: 854
Merit: 277
liife threw a tempest at you? be a coconut !
October 22, 2021, 05:58:23 AM
as it's clear it's the americans  who did the covid release, I think they should be punished, as a nation.

a first step is to remove all IP and patents of american corporations worldwide.

what do you think? it will hurt them. open sources, everything "owned" by american corps... I think it's just a light first step toward the punishement toward this deviant wicked and dangerous thing.

death to america.
legendary
Activity: 2828
Merit: 1515
October 20, 2021, 11:21:56 AM
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/20/1047532227/adults-have-a-lot-to-say-about-masks-how-do-students-feel-about-them

Wow, shocker - students don't enjoy being muzzled with masks so the adults in the room can feel better. Despite the adult probably being vaccinated and being safe already, because the fact is anyone worried about children spreading Covid is probably quadruple vaxxed in a hazmat suit.

I reviewed the literature just to see if the data was there for student transmission of Covid (delta variant) to teachers with most schools all over the world open and functioning normally. Still happens to be the case that they are not chief vectors of transmission. In fact, the US is mostly alone in their guidance to mask their population, regardless of age. Asymptomatic spread was never something to be concerned about. If you are symptomatic, perhaps it is slightly beneficial to wear a face covering, although YMMV depending on the type of mask.
legendary
Activity: 2520
Merit: 1218
October 20, 2021, 01:31:47 AM

In my case, we have lost 1 year and haven't achieved anything. We got vaccination, we got lots of citizens vaccinated, we got number of cases higher than it was year ago (the time we had no vaccine). We have another lockdown and curfew, even though previous lockdown and curfew showed no result. Somehow I start to think that everything about vaccine and cases is fabricated.

Btw, a friend of mine once mentioned that during WW2, at first people were divided into everyone else and Jews. Jews had to carry ID everywhere and there were places where they were not let in. Then Jews annihilation started. Don't you find Jews, ID, not letting them in identical to dividing people to vaccinated and unvaccinated, and not letting unvaccinated people in some shops or giving them services?
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
October 19, 2021, 08:33:25 PM
I have always said this: Coronavirus is a virus & like other virus it can't be cured. At best, it can be reduced or stopped from replicating in large number. Basic biology tells us virus becomes a living organism when in contact with a living cell & it cannot die except that living organism dies. Hence, flu a child contacted stays with the child through adulthood till death. So, the idea of staying at home to prevent the spread of the virus was/is not a smart decision. If a case of the virus is detected in an environment there's no point shutting down the place cause for sure more persons are already carriers. The lock down was just a panic response the world had & time have revealed it.
Not really.  I'm not saying the disease is not deadly but its definitely of less concern than something that is already highly infectious, deadly and fully spread like the flu.   Its just about sensationalism in the media and fear-mongering that appeals to xenophobic bias against China.   There are new strains of the flu every year that are much more deadly and aren't covered by the flu vaccine but they hardly get any coverage.  Like, how many of the people criticizing Chinese for eating "strange" animals are actually vegan?  How many of them know or care about the amounts of antibiotic resistant bacteria that come off of animal farms into the human population and kills thousands each year? 

Diseases only seem get a lot of scary coverage when they come from the global south.  Remember ebola?

Coivid is not a virus like other viruses... except if all viruses have been created in the lab.

Covid the virus is weak. Mega-vitamin D, mega-vitamin C + zinc, and ivermectin all cure it. When used together, they cure loads of other things as well.

In addition, there are all kinds of other things that control/cure Covid. The vaccines, however, don't work... except that there is no cure for the vaccines.

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