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legendary
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July 27, 2021, 03:01:40 PM
Depends which model you're talking about.

Recall back from when this fiasco began - a few of the more honest scientists produced a model (using model loosely, was more of a statistical analysis) to capture the real IFR of COVID using a closed system as the sample, the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

Back when the world was preparing for Covid and still using faulty Chinese data, the WHO predicted that the death rate for Covid was something like 5-10x higher than the true Covid death rate, because they took the confirmed cases and created a ratio of the confirmed deaths. But the problem was, the sample did not account for all confirmed covid cases, because of course, not everyone that has covid gets accounted for.

the study of the diamond princess did account for every case. because EVERYONE was tested.
(easy to do on a cruise ship)

the thing is.
in a tight/cramped space with air circulating room to room. cases will be high and deaths will be high..
and guess what the first solution to bring down the case/death count was..
... yep social distancing..
and guess what..

case R rates went down and death severity went down
this is because general population are not clustered together in a confined area so less viral load so more people asymptomatic in general population.
and because general population are not tested as rigoursly as the diamond princess its suggestive that although case numbers were low in general populations instances. there are probably 5x more infectees, just not being tested due to lack of showing symptoms due to social distancing giving them low viral loads

so thank you for confirming why social distancing was a good thing. due to the diamond princess study you mentioned
legendary
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July 27, 2021, 02:55:55 PM
These 'models' are exactly what the whole global warming scam is based on just FWIW.  For a scientismist, the more wrong you are, the longer your life as an 'advisor' out of academia is, and the more funding you get.  You just have to make sure you are wrong in a way that favors the globalist's pet projects (like carbon taxes, economic shifts (e.g., moves to production to 'communist' China), etc.)

nah..  its actually.. the more wrong you are.. the more money you make out of acedemia. because you are busy selling your wrong opinions to conspiracy platforms
yes all them interviewed 'doctors' of family medicine pretending to know about viruses/immunity. but then selling anti-vax scripts/narratives. are not making money from academia as they have been ejected. and instead have to make some income from their lies and unbacked opinions. pretending its backed because they said it with their now expired credentials
legendary
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July 27, 2021, 11:06:59 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

It's interesting to see how wrong the statistical models are when trying to extrapolate Covid cases, because the issue is, if people listen to some of these clowns, then the UK gets a brand new set of lockdown restrictions based false data. That's how these models work, changes on a dime, yet we put all the eggs in one basket, and hope for the best.

These 'models' are exactly what the whole global warming scam is based on just FWIW.  For a scientismist, the more wrong you are, the longer your life as an 'advisor' out of academia is, and the more funding you get.  You just have to make sure you are wrong in a way that favors the globalist's pet projects (like carbon taxes, economic shifts (e.g., moves to production to 'communist' China), etc.)

A dead give-away that such a scam is underway is when a 'scientist' won't release his/her code and/or data-sets.  For some reason this is seen especially at certain 'educational institutions' based in London, or at least out of the U.K..



Depends which model you're talking about.

Recall back from when this fiasco began - a few of the more honest scientists produced a model (using model loosely, was more of a statistical analysis) to capture the real IFR of COVID using a closed system as the sample, the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

Back when the world was preparing for Covid and still using faulty Chinese data, the WHO predicted that the death rate for Covid was something like 5-10x higher than the true Covid death rate, because they took the confirmed cases and created a ratio of the confirmed deaths. But the problem was, the sample did not account for all confirmed covid cases, because of course, not everyone that has covid gets accounted for.

So, using WHO's figure, we had an incorrect interpretation of the lethality of Covid. If you used a closed system like a cruise ship, you can get an idea of the number of infections, the number of non infections, and most importantly, the true case fatality rate because you can test every person in the sample.

I remember this distinctively, people made fun of the idea that the Covid death rate was close to 1 percent than it was 3 or 4 percent as initially predicted. And even now, we know the death rate to be something like 0.5 percent, with striations on age.

I'm not discounting models because they actually do help, but it's not rational to utilize only a single model. And, a model is only as good as the data you feed it.
legendary
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July 27, 2021, 09:21:39 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

It's interesting to see how wrong the statistical models are when trying to extrapolate Covid cases, because the issue is, if people listen to some of these clowns, then the UK gets a brand new set of lockdown restrictions based false data. That's how these models work, changes on a dime, yet we put all the eggs in one basket, and hope for the best.

These 'models' are exactly what the whole global warming scam is based on just FWIW.  For a scientismist, the more wrong you are, the longer your life as an 'advisor' out of academia is, and the more funding you get.  You just have to make sure you are wrong in a way that favors the globalist's pet projects (like carbon taxes, economic shifts (e.g., moves to production to 'communist' China), etc.)

A dead give-away that such a scam is underway is when a 'scientist' won't release his/her code and/or data-sets.  For some reason this is seen especially at certain 'educational institutions' based in London, or at least out of the U.K..

legendary
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July 27, 2021, 09:05:26 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9829585/Ministers-plead-calm-Covid-cases-fall-SIX-DAYS-running.html

It's interesting to see how wrong the statistical models are when trying to extrapolate Covid cases, because the issue is, if people listen to some of these clowns, then the UK gets a brand new set of lockdown restrictions based false data. That's how these models work, changes on a dime, yet we put all the eggs in one basket, and hope for the best.
legendary
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July 26, 2021, 11:21:33 AM
the countries that didnt need to isolate within the borders, done so by controling it better AT the borders

again common sense.
australia/new zealand had a great policy and it worked.

but hey. some idiots dont get it.
they think the best way to control covid is to let it spread.
they dont understand that swedon, australia newzealand and korea stopped the spread at the borders by not doing loads of repatriation flights.
and by quarantining those coming in.


idiots think they let the virus come in and let it spread wild..
but hey idiots will be idiots. they cant even research why sweden was better than the us.

legendary
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July 26, 2021, 10:45:46 AM

Almost everyone in Sweden has been infected and that may be the reason for the low numbers now. Sweden is a country of 10 million, and they had 1 million infections, with around 15,000 deaths (these are official numbers and the real numbers may be much higher). They tried the "herd immunity" approach and failed miserably in that. Their neighbors (Norway and Finland) were not stupid enough to implement such retarded policies and each of these countries witnessed less than 1,000 deaths from COVID. So who will be held responsible for the 14,000 additional deaths in Sweden?

And another point to note here is that 61% of the Swedish population have been vaccinated till now.

I'd say that Sweden's 'herd immunity' strategy was a resounding success.  Where almost all other nations force there people into house arrest with CO2 poinening muzzles for a year and a half, Sweden said 'fuck that' and let their people live without all the state sponsored terrorism.  At the end, they are in average or better shape and are done while other places are going into another yet phase of lockdowns since the vaccine doesn't actually seem to do shit in real life...except cause mass casualties all by itself:

  https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

Looks like the countries who fared best were the ones like Iceland or Vietnam who has already told the global banking powers to stick it up their asses and had gotten used to making their own way.  The couldn't be as easily bullied into cooking up fake numbers.

Alas, since the gene therapy seems to wipe out antibodies of people who are naturally immune, getting the shot nullifies the benefit of obtaining natural immunity.  Stupid rutabagas.    Glad at least some of my family had the common sense to get out 100 years ago while the getting was good.

legendary
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July 26, 2021, 07:30:02 AM

Almost everyone in Sweden has been infected and that may be the reason for the low numbers now. Sweden is a country of 10 million, and they had 1 million infections, with around 15,000 deaths (these are official numbers and the real numbers may be much higher). They tried the "herd immunity" approach and failed miserably in that. Their neighbors (Norway and Finland) were not stupid enough to implement such retarded policies and each of these countries witnessed less than 1,000 deaths from COVID. So who will be held responsible for the 14,000 additional deaths in Sweden?

And another point to note here is that 61% of the Swedish population have been vaccinated till now.
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July 21, 2021, 05:08:00 AM


A little bit of familiarity with history will show that it always works that way, and anyone shrewd enough to make it past country commissioner will be able to understand how to leverage it.

Quote from: Goering
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."




Yes and the propaganda machine is weaved so well today it would make Goering look primitive and insignificant. The orders are "suggested" handed to all "elected" governments alongside their corporate,media,academic peers behind closed doors at invitation only events but the ones giving the orders are rarely at these events. Thinktanks .....or influencers with cooperative handpicked members are the equivalent of these social media twitter and instagram degenerates who peddle their hatred towards independent thought and those who are cautious....such as the majority of ze anti-vaxxers  Cool  
hero member
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July 21, 2021, 05:02:33 AM


...says the one who has just posted an image of text  Roll Eyes
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July 21, 2021, 05:00:37 AM

yep vaxxers turn on anti-vaxxers if their guru influencer told them too
but vaxxers dont even realise their influencers are influencing them. even if its in the title of the role
they think their influencer is their friend helping them. and worthy of trust as a friend. (facepalm)


^^^Fixed that for you. You're welcome Cool
legendary
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July 21, 2021, 04:01:42 AM


A little bit of familiarity with history will show that it always works that way, and anyone shrewd enough to make it past country commissioner will be able to understand how to leverage it.

Quote from: Goering
"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

legendary
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July 20, 2021, 11:08:21 PM
funnier part is.. tash is using someone else quote
meaning tash cant even think up his own 'darkest realisation'

which then lends to the next funny part
tash thinks its a realisation and not just some lame thought that is not part of the real world

but as i summarised in my last post
idiots will think its part of their reality.. because they are sheep. following influencers like they are an authority

heres one for tash to ponder over
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legendary
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July 20, 2021, 09:37:56 PM


yep antivaxxers turn on each other if their guru influencer told them too
but antivaxxers dont even realise their influencers are influencing them. even if its in the title of the role
they think their influencer is their friend helping them. and worthy of trust as a friend. (facepalm)
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July 20, 2021, 06:41:04 PM
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July 20, 2021, 11:45:55 AM
Dr. Fauci has utter meltdown during congressional testimony today - https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1417501517976899584

What probably happened is this virus was leaked from a lab after irresponsible hygiene and sanitation in workplace conditions, NIH had given money to the Wuhan Virology institute through grants, and Dr. Fauci does not want to the entire world to turn on him and his organization so he dodges any questioning that that remotely suggests dubious funding was given for medical research. It'd be pretty embarrassing to admit that your agency was part of the problem, so we know why Dr. Fauci was so adamant about dismissing the lab leak theory. What a clown.

The NIH => Wuhan thing (based on stupid right wing conspiracy) has been debunked for a while now.  
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/02/09/covid-dr-anthony-fauci-did-not-fund-research-tied-creation/4450338001/

Fauci is just repeating what he said last time Paul tried to peddle his nonsense.  Complete and utter meltdown?  I don't think so. Quite a bit of restraint considering the circumstances, imo.

legendary
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July 20, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Dr. Fauci has utter meltdown during congressional testimony today - https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1417501517976899584

What probably happened is this virus was leaked from a lab after irresponsible hygiene and sanitation in workplace conditions, NIH had given money to the Wuhan Virology institute through grants, and Dr. Fauci does not want to the entire world to turn on him and his organization so he dodges any questioning that that remotely suggests dubious funding was given for medical research. It'd be pretty embarrassing to admit that your agency was part of the problem, so we know why Dr. Fauci was so adamant about dismissing the lab leak theory. What a clown.
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July 20, 2021, 08:49:17 AM

Potholes stop coronavirus form winning. Race lost at finish line
https://archive.org/details/37AsterixAndTheChariotRace/page/n43/mode/2up

Numeric patterns of 37 and 73 in the Bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7uU3nJ5aAU

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