Too many massive quote blocks and text walls for me to read this thread. Maybe somebody could post a brief conclusion.
One thing I would like to point out is that most of the official reports state death counts as those dying with the Corona virus, and not from the virus. I'm still of the belief that the virus doesn't actually kill anybody, but it does affect the immune system, and therefore people with underlying health issues are not able to recover from them. One way that I can be wrong in this, is the case of smokers. Smoking increases the number of ACE-2 receptors, and this may enable the virus to stimulate so many anti-bodies, that the infected person drowns if they are not removed artificially.
people dont die from corona due to cells bursting and causing blood loss.. they die much earlier from the suffocation.. which is due to KNOWN symptomology of being triggered by corona.
yes ARDS is the bodies immuno response. not the virus.. but they know that ARDS is triggered by corona as appose to say an anaphylactic shock which is another immuno response to an allergen like peanuts..
now as for your concern about the reporting.
doctors know if someone tested with corona develops respiratory issues and they have through tests ruled it out from being just a coincidental asthma attack (yea doctors are smart they can tel the difference)
so even if someone has underlying asthma.. they can spot the difference
if that patient does die due to ARDS knowing its corona triggered. they report it as such...
and because your in england and maybe want to know real facts about english numbers
ill post this quote to save repeating from another topic
(primer: ons: office national statistics.. DHSC: department health socalcare)
i told you this days ago.. but you have rejected finding the answer for yourself
what doctors diagnose and actually know and report goes to one department which then becomes the public release
lets call this A
the death certificate is created upto 5 days later and goees to another department
let call this B
what you seem to be obsessed with is thinking B is the public release stat.. its not
B is the department that takes ant ICD-10 of corona and puts it into their database for other reasons
if you charted it out
_______ B
|___/
| _________ A
|__/
|______________
this A is the list of those that die due to corona specific health symptoms and tested with corona
B is a list of any death cause. where corona tested positive
again for example of the UK
the ONS department is B.. media and worldometer and gov.uk do not report B(ons)
the DHSC department is A.. media and worldometer and gov.uk DO report A(DHSC)
you were told this days ago and had days to check it out
DHSC get data direct from doctors the day of death via the patients charts
ONS get it from death certificate deays later, which ONS then decides to group any death cause
