That's a very difficult question. Considering the critical situation that we can observe in the USA, it seems to me that by Easter the situation will worsen even more.
Too many people continue to ignore recommendations and continue to infect other people.
Topic: CoronaVirus USA - Open by easter? (Read 853 times)
Since easter has now passed I'm now going to be locking this up.
It was great to hear everyone's insights regarding this. Hope everyone stays safe!
Cheers
It was great to hear everyone's insights regarding this. Hope everyone stays safe!
Cheers
I watched the news on CNN also. Alot of American are already starving and people have already lost their jobs and the US economy is gradually going down and I think the best way to restore the economy is to open businesses again. However, they will have to deal with the spread of the coronavirus and the economy together when the time comes because the spread of the virus can rise if the business open.
The last recommendation may have been prudent. People have been self-medicating with aquarium cleaner (and dying) because it has chloroquine in it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/
That doesn't prove that Hydroxychloroquine is not effective. Aquarium cleaner is NOT malaria pills.
I never said otherwise.
COVID-19 is NOT, primarily, a respiratory sickness. The breakdown of the lungs are the effects of the attack on red-blood cells. It attacks the blood first.
You got a source for that? I really think you're mistaken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019#Pathophysiology
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The lungs are the organs most affected by COVID-19 because the virus accesses host cells via the enzyme ACE2, which is most abundant in the type II alveolar cells of the lungs. The virus uses a special surface glycoprotein called a "spike" (peplomer) to connect to ACE2 and enter the host cell.[66] The density of ACE2 in each tissue correlates with the severity of the disease in that tissue and some have suggested that decreasing ACE2 activity might be protective,[67][68] though another view is that increasing ACE2 using angiotensin II receptor blocker medications could be protective and that these hypotheses need to be tested.[69] As the alveolar disease progresses, respiratory failure might develop and death may follow.
It doesn't seem to attack red blood cells. It targets host cells in the respiratory tract (and also the gastrointestinal tract) and then replicates and replicates, triggering an inflammatory response.
The second time President Donald Trump recommended the malaria drug Hydroxychloroquine as a drug for Covid-19 in America. Although Trump knows the FDA has not yet given approval of the malaria drug it is used on Covid-19. Even the drug has been purchased in large quantities and distributed to military camps and hospitals.
Indeed there have been studies of the use of malaria drugs that are associated with Covid-19. This research was conducted by experts from Brazil (Sandro G. Viveiros-Rosa and Wilson C. Santos, Universidade Federal Fluminense, Rio de Janeiro) but the use of hydroxychloroquine must be combined with macrolide antibiotic Azithromycin to recover 100% while without a recovery rate of 57 %
https://www.paho.org/journal/sites/default/files/2020-03/40-20-249-Rosa-prelim.pdf
In China, hydroxychloroquine is also included in the list of 10 drugs that are allowed to be used in Covid-19. In the list of 10 drugs, there are new discoveries from China with the approval date of March 26.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSnc25E6Ma0&feature=youtu.be
Carrimycin is a new drug for Covid-19. Carrimycin was discovered in June last year. At that time there was no Covid-19. Carrimycin is found for handling bacteria and infections. Also to combat cancer this year a review was conducted for Covid-19. The process of approval of new drugs is fast because this is further research. Since the Corona pandemic, the Chinese government has been reviewing several consumption medicines to cure corona. And Carrimycin has already begun to be produced in Shanghai.
China is also conducting research for the corona vaccine found by female general Prof. Chen Wei, who has now entered a clinical trial of healthy people in Wuhan.
It's the WHO, and China that have been giving the wrong information. They said, "it wasn't a pandemic", "masks were not required", and "don't use Hydroxychloroquine". 
The last recommendation may have been prudent. People have been self-medicating with aquarium cleaner (and dying) because it has chloroquine in it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/
That doesn't prove that Hydroxychloroquine is not effective. Aquarium cleaner is NOT malaria pills.
COVID-19 doesn't attack the lungs. It attacks the red blood cells, by making it lose the ability to carry Oxygen, and CO2, in and out of the lungs.
It definitely infects the lungs, at least in severe cases. That causes an inflammation response, which makes it difficult to get enough oxygen.
Whatever the details are, it's bad news.
COVID-19 is NOT, primarily, a respiratory sickness. The breakdown of the lungs are the effects of the attack on red-blood cells. It attacks the blood first.
More of so it is a problem which is caused by the non localised and localised inflammation of the body which might cause narrowing of the blood vessels , damage of blood cells due to increased viscosity , but RBC's damage are secondary , primary is the inflammatory response in the respiratory system + problems with heart due to inflammation of vessels causing heart attack or arrhythmia.
This is not hope , this is a lie I am myself studying medicine but unfortunately I am not in my last year or even graduated so I cannot join the fight .
But from what we study in the medical school I can tell you guys one thing, this is completely ridiculous for a pandemic like this to go by easter . It is a virus and the complications are endless , it is even causing heart failure now. We have more to worry about heart failure+respiratory distress .
Vaccination is a year away , even more than that , Drugs which are credited for the possible vaccination are not enough to be supplied on this scale.
We will be lucky if this resolved in 1 year or so .
Easter ? Seriously? This is funny.
But from what we study in the medical school I can tell you guys one thing, this is completely ridiculous for a pandemic like this to go by easter . It is a virus and the complications are endless , it is even causing heart failure now. We have more to worry about heart failure+respiratory distress .
Vaccination is a year away , even more than that , Drugs which are credited for the possible vaccination are not enough to be supplied on this scale.
We will be lucky if this resolved in 1 year or so .
Easter ? Seriously? This is funny.
The last recommendation may have been prudent. People have been self-medicating with aquarium cleaner (and dying) because it has chloroquine in it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/
That doesn't prove that Hydroxychloroquine is not effective. Aquarium cleaner is NOT malaria pills.
I never said otherwise.
COVID-19 is NOT, primarily, a respiratory sickness. The breakdown of the lungs are the effects of the attack on red-blood cells. It attacks the blood first.
You got a source for that? I really think you're mistaken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_disease_2019#Pathophysiology
Quote
The lungs are the organs most affected by COVID-19 because the virus accesses host cells via the enzyme ACE2, which is most abundant in the type II alveolar cells of the lungs. The virus uses a special surface glycoprotein called a "spike" (peplomer) to connect to ACE2 and enter the host cell.[66] The density of ACE2 in each tissue correlates with the severity of the disease in that tissue and some have suggested that decreasing ACE2 activity might be protective,[67][68] though another view is that increasing ACE2 using angiotensin II receptor blocker medications could be protective and that these hypotheses need to be tested.[69] As the alveolar disease progresses, respiratory failure might develop and death may follow.
It doesn't seem to attack red blood cells. It targets host cells in the respiratory tract (and also the gastrointestinal tract) and then replicates and replicates, triggering an inflammatory response.
It's the WHO, and China that have been giving the wrong information. They said, "it wasn't a pandemic", "masks were not required", and "don't use Hydroxychloroquine".
The last recommendation may have been prudent. People have been self-medicating with aquarium cleaner (and dying) because it has chloroquine in it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/
That doesn't prove that Hydroxychloroquine is not effective. Aquarium cleaner is NOT malaria pills.
COVID-19 doesn't attack the lungs. It attacks the red blood cells, by making it lose the ability to carry Oxygen, and CO2, in and out of the lungs.
It definitely infects the lungs, at least in severe cases. That causes an inflammation response, which makes it difficult to get enough oxygen.
Whatever the details are, it's bad news.
COVID-19 is NOT, primarily, a respiratory sickness. The breakdown of the lungs are the effects of the attack on red-blood cells. It attacks the blood first.
If Trump's thinking is like this then the virus will shout everywhere the planet and more people are going to be infected No work are going to be avoided lockdown That's why we should always not all support Trump's thinking. take care to follow the principles of the govt. If Trump opens Easter there'll be public outcry and that we will need to maintain social distance and stand back from public meetings to stop the virus from spreading more quickly.
Despite what you believe politically, President Trump made a statement "showing hope" to have the USA "open by easter".
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-easter-economy-coronavirus/index.html
Do you think this is possible? What do you think the impact of this will be if this is forced ahead (companies allowed to re-open up, etc). Do you think it'll make the health and/or economic problem better or worse?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/politics/trump-easter-economy-coronavirus/index.html
Do you think this is possible? What do you think the impact of this will be if this is forced ahead (companies allowed to re-open up, etc). Do you think it'll make the health and/or economic problem better or worse?
I don't think Trump and his advisers see the real picture, people should have social distancing, but by making an announcement like this he will exposed those who do not have this virus to those infected and this will spike the number of casualties, he is going in a wrong direction it's more of wishful thinking than being realistic, he should change his stand or the situation will get worse.
more evidence is emerging that the coronavirus is way more widespread than we previously thought. this is only a small sample, so take it with a grain of salt, but now that china is officially counting asymptomatic cases, they seem to represent a staggering proportion of all cases:
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
this gives some hope to the idea that society will achieve herd immunity much sooner than previously thought. we obviously need much more testing to confirm, but IMO the final numbers will be somewhere in the middle between the "everyone is already infected" and "mortality rates are like 4%" camps.
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A total of 130 of 166 new infections (78%) identified in the 24 hours to the afternoon of Wednesday 1 April were asymptomatic, said China’s National Health Commission. And most of the 36 cases in which patients showed symptoms involved arrivals from overseas, down from 48 the previous day, the commission said.
China is rigorously testing arrivals from overseas for fear of importing a fresh outbreak of covid-19.
Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist and honorary research fellow at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said the findings were “very, very important.” He told The BMJ, “The sample is small, and more data will become available. Also, it’s not clear exactly how these cases were identified. But let’s just say they are generalisable. And even if they are 10% out, then this suggests the virus is everywhere. If—and I stress, if—the results are representative, then we have to ask, ‘What the hell are we locking down for?’”
China is rigorously testing arrivals from overseas for fear of importing a fresh outbreak of covid-19.
Tom Jefferson, an epidemiologist and honorary research fellow at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said the findings were “very, very important.” He told The BMJ, “The sample is small, and more data will become available. Also, it’s not clear exactly how these cases were identified. But let’s just say they are generalisable. And even if they are 10% out, then this suggests the virus is everywhere. If—and I stress, if—the results are representative, then we have to ask, ‘What the hell are we locking down for?’”
https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1375
this gives some hope to the idea that society will achieve herd immunity much sooner than previously thought. we obviously need much more testing to confirm, but IMO the final numbers will be somewhere in the middle between the "everyone is already infected" and "mortality rates are like 4%" camps.
USA is one of those nations where healthcare is not really that important to them, either its because of capitalist system being abused or some other reason, they basically live by not going to doctors as long as they are not forced to or have no other option, I mean sure you have to go to a hospital when giving birth but normally if you break your finger people ask themselves how much they need that finger unbroken. We will see a lot worse situations in USA than Italy if nothing gets done soon.
Of course it's important to them but it has become so mutated by greed that it serves no one other than those at the top. It costs the US taxpayer 2-3 times more per head than any free at point of use system and it totally dominates the lives of people who scrabble to afford it. It's the worst of all possible worlds beyond not having any at all.
And we're seeing that attitude trickle down into their response to this crisis. Check this - https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1245906088911949826
Without denialists and profiteers I wonder how many more people could be saved.
By Easter we will literally be in the rising status just yet and not getting better. By comparison we are talking about this virus ending in all of USA by Easter which means everyone will be better and there will be a cure and so forth, but the reality will be number of people getting infected everyday will go up and number of people dying will keep going up.
USA is one of those nations where healthcare is not really that important to them, either its because of capitalist system being abused or some other reason, they basically live by not going to doctors as long as they are not forced to or have no other option, I mean sure you have to go to a hospital when giving birth but normally if you break your finger people ask themselves how much they need that finger unbroken. We will see a lot worse situations in USA than Italy if nothing gets done soon.
USA is one of those nations where healthcare is not really that important to them, either its because of capitalist system being abused or some other reason, they basically live by not going to doctors as long as they are not forced to or have no other option, I mean sure you have to go to a hospital when giving birth but normally if you break your finger people ask themselves how much they need that finger unbroken. We will see a lot worse situations in USA than Italy if nothing gets done soon.
It's the WHO, and China that have been giving the wrong information. They said, "it wasn't a pandemic", "masks were not required", and "don't use Hydroxychloroquine".
The last recommendation may have been prudent. People have been self-medicating with aquarium cleaner (and dying) because it has chloroquine in it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/24/coronavirus-chloroquine-poisoning-death/
COVID-19 doesn't attack the lungs. It attacks the red blood cells, by making it lose the ability to carry Oxygen, and CO2, in and out of the lungs.
It definitely infects the lungs, at least in severe cases. That causes an inflammation response, which makes it difficult to get enough oxygen.
Whatever the details are, it's bad news.
There are people spreading information about Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Azithromycin as an effective treatment for COVID-19 on social media. Is that fake news, or is that the cure that might beat the pandemic?
Plus, Chinese propaganda, https://twitter.com/kpags1/status/1244344145646440456
Who's fault is COVID-19 pandemic?
Plus, Chinese propaganda, https://twitter.com/kpags1/status/1244344145646440456
Who's fault is COVID-19 pandemic?
In my personal opinion one should not consume those medicines without medical advice, as we do not know if it could backfire on the person as each one has a different medical history. Furthermore we can bother about who started coronavirus later but right now all we need to do is sit in home tight and avoid going out, and let’s hope come May 1st this social distancing rules will end for good.
Sources:
https://fortune.com/2020/03/29/coronavirus-social-distancing-april/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/03/30/fda-approves-anti-malarial-drugs-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-for-emergency-coronavirus-treatment/#322a8835e5d1
Hydroxychloroquine is already FDA-approved in the U.S., and there are doctors from Europe that stick to it as an effective treatment for COVID-19.
COVID-19 doesn't attack the lungs. It attacks the red blood cells, by making it lose the ability to carry Oxygen, and CO2, in and out of the lungs. According to new studies, Hydroxychloroquine prevents COVID-19 from being infective by making the cell organelles more alkaline, and it also fills the damage on the cell done by the virus.
It's the WHO, and China that have been giving the wrong information. They said, "it wasn't a pandemic", "masks were not required", and "don't use Hydroxychloroquine".
There is no way in any democratic country to have stores opened before Easter.
The infection curve looks bad in many nations and till a valid cure will be available they need to lock everything possible to decrease the number of infected people at the same time to be able to help to heal them up.
The best bet for a cure is vaccines that are already in test on animals or humans, we can have if we are lucky some vaccines in 6 months, hard to have something before but the hope is not lost.
A race to find the vaccine is on big Pharma are in the race for winning the billions at the price for the production of the vaccine.
Look at China they maybe have now a second wave of Corona and they closed for 3 months, a lot of countries look worse of them on the epidemic curve so the minimal time should be longer than the time required for China.
The infection curve looks bad in many nations and till a valid cure will be available they need to lock everything possible to decrease the number of infected people at the same time to be able to help to heal them up.
The best bet for a cure is vaccines that are already in test on animals or humans, we can have if we are lucky some vaccines in 6 months, hard to have something before but the hope is not lost.
A race to find the vaccine is on big Pharma are in the race for winning the billions at the price for the production of the vaccine.
Look at China they maybe have now a second wave of Corona and they closed for 3 months, a lot of countries look worse of them on the epidemic curve so the minimal time should be longer than the time required for China.
Well, probably it is a pronouncement of faith because they still count infection and death rate till date, though subsiding and very much under control. Donald Trump is such religious that he may also not want to deprive the faith believers their gathering, it will be very risky decision if the environment is not well under safety before announcing that, because open for one may be open for all.
Trump himself isn't very religious, but his voters are. However, even islamic countries, which can easily be counted as the most religious countries in the world, are enforcing strict quarantine that includes their temples, so Trump should quit trying to earn votes and instead follow his duty as the president of the United States. The US and many other countries will have to keep the quarantine for at least this month, and maybe even for a part of the next month. If you quit too early, the virus will just start spreading again, I think there's already a second wave growing in China.
Well, probably it is a pronouncement of faith because they still count infection and death rate till date, though subsiding and very much under control. Donald Trump is such religious that he may also not want to deprive the faith believers their gathering, it will be very risky decision if the environment is not well under safety before announcing that, because open for one may be open for all.
Trump just wants to appeal to his Christian voters who can't wait to go to church (though many actually ignore quarantine for it). The US is still far from reaching the peak, even Italy which started to have coronavirus earlier still hasn't peaked. If Trump will proceed with this plan, he'll likely make things much worse.
True, if he still planning to do that probably the number of cases on the U.S will increase more thinking that U.S has the highest rate of cases worldwide followed by Italy. It is hard to decide right now, especially for President Trump but I think his plans on re-opening some companies is not a big help to reduce the number of cases in US, maybe it will help their economy to move again but for people it is a big NO. There is a lot of impact that might happen if he continue the plan. At this moment, we all know the COVID-19 is very dangerous and rapidly spreading so for me just stay at home for your family's safety and don't listen to other politicians who wants to manipulate us that everything will be alright in just a snap because that's not gonna happen knowing the virus. Maybe if all the people that are going back to work are already tested as negative, they can work free but it is still risky to roam outside, or simply to go outside because the places are not yet cleaned and disinfected. For now, I think he better keep he's decision straight and think about the people that will be affected before considering this plan.
so much for opening up by easter huh?
bad news everywhere. everyday it seems like there is a new "epicenter".....new york, florida, new orleans. i'm surprised the markets aren't crashing. i guess investors are still high from the promise of stimulus and bailouts?
bad news everywhere. everyday it seems like there is a new "epicenter".....new york, florida, new orleans. i'm surprised the markets aren't crashing. i guess investors are still high from the promise of stimulus and bailouts?
This is a very optimistic forecast. There is too little time left before Easter and too sad results of the spread of the coronavirus infection. I think that the deadline for the end of the quarantine will be postponed several more times. Otherwise, you can not completely defeat this infection.
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