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September 26, 2018, 02:48:44 PM
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The next step in my exploration of this idea was to create a calendar of time periods where Satoshi was silent on the forums. For example, Satoshi was silent on the forum from March 24, 2010 until May 16, 2010. I am guessing this is a period when Satoshi was away from his home travelling or vacationing. I was wanting to then correspond them with known dates when Mike was on vacations or at a conference, but as I stated above MIke wasn’t very public during Satoshi’s presence. If anyone knows of any of the potential Satoshis that were vacationing, hospitalized (Hal?), or travelling during that March to May gap in 2010, it would be a good link to the real Satoshi.

After a period of disinterest, I decided to look into those dates from March 24-May 16 2010.

Then only thing that kind of corresponds to time period is Google I/O conference took place on May 19-20, 2010. If Satoshi did work for Google like Mike then he perhaps was working furiously to get development done on something that Google wanted to present at the I/O conference such as:

APIs

Android

App Engine

Chrome

Enterprise

Geo

OpenSocial

Social Web

TV

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March 15, 2018, 09:41:47 AM
#75
no .. he even sent his assignment about distributed computing ...

No what?
And what assignment are you talking about? I think you responded to the wrong post.
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March 14, 2018, 11:31:52 PM
#74


If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.

So, how many 10K BTC pizzas did Satoshi own when he quit mining?
Probably none.

Theoretical was implied/inferred/assumed (playing pick a verb).
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March 12, 2018, 11:13:23 PM
#73
no .. he even sent his assignment about distributed computing ...
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March 12, 2018, 11:11:51 PM
#72


If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.

So, how many 10K BTC pizzas did Satoshi own when he quit mining?
Probably none.
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March 11, 2018, 11:45:47 PM
#71
nobody knows who Satoshi Nakamoto really is and he stayed anonymous for a reason. maybe because he doesn't want to be known and be identified by the world. that's my opinion about him. many people have already tried to track who Satoshi Nakamoto is.
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March 11, 2018, 11:32:27 PM
#70
Love it! Best& most substantive stuff about this topic I've read so far!

(@skyscraperfarms)

Thank you. I think any one of these things alone wouldn't mean anything, but all these things together paint a compelling picture.

I think one of the biggest takeaways from what I presented here if you still don't believe Mike is Satoshi is that whoever created bitcoin did it anonymously to evade intellectual property claims from their respective employer.
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March 05, 2018, 11:05:46 PM
#69


If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.

So, how many 10K BTC pizzas did Satoshi own when he quit mining?
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March 05, 2018, 05:51:46 PM
#68
Love it! Best& most substantive stuff about this topic I've read so far!

(@skyscraperfarms)
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March 02, 2018, 07:25:23 AM
#67

If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.


But this isn't me, this is Satoshi... I mean, if I create something, something I want to be valuable I would be careful with the asset I owned. No matter the value. It's not about the value, it's about believing in what you made.

Today, many of us hodl some tokens that aren't worth any shit right now. But we believe in that project so hodl them. If there was a situation and we lost access to our token wallets it would hurt.

And this isn't a small fragment of the project we're talking about, it's 1 friggin million btc! It's %5 of the whole bitcoin project. %8 of the current market cap...

And those 1 million btc will always be locked away in some inaccessible wallets... So we can say that the total market supply of btc is 21mil, not 22mil...

And, someday in the future, when the last btc is mined, if there are 22 million btc circulating, we can safely say that this argument is pointless and satoshi is still among us and he's using those btc...

Well... 1million tokens are worth around 10billion, I can't even imagine their worth 20 years in the future... I'd surely be hiding away with all those money... And I'd surely spread a rumor about me losing those coins, so no one will ever come looking for me for those coins...

And saying again, if I had really lost all those coins, I'd be ashamed to show my face...

So, stop looking for the man and give him some peace, maybe he'll show up in the future...

Lastly, for the record, I don't think Mike Hearn is Satoshi too. But, he may be one of the few who can reveal his identity.
Hey it is 21m total supply, so when you reduce it, you reduce it to 20m (not 22m -> 21m).

Also, I think that if they considered the project as a testnet at the time, really, I understand they may not have been keeping the private keys for the blocks they generated. I am not saying that it is what happened, but I think it is a plausible explanation. This situation was very different from this:
many of us hodl some tokens that aren't worth any shit right now. But we believe in that project so hodl them
They were really just playing with the code and testing the software, discarding any intermediary data, they were not hodling coins with the hope and intention the coins will eventually rise.

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March 01, 2018, 11:59:36 AM
#66


If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.


But this isn't me, this is Satoshi... I mean, if I create something, something I want to be valuable I would be careful with the asset I owned. No matter the value. It's not about the value, it's about believing in what you made.

Today, many of us hodl some tokens that aren't worth any shit right now. But we believe in that project so hodl them. If there was a situation and we lost access to our token wallets it would hurt.

And this isn't a small fragment of the project we're talking about, it's 1 friggin million btc! It's %5 of the whole bitcoin project. %8 of the current market cap...

And those 1 million btc will always be locked away in some inaccessible wallets... So we can say that the total market supply of btc is 21mil, not 22mil...

And, someday in the future, when the last btc is mined, if there are 22 million btc circulating, we can safely say that this argument is pointless and satoshi is still among us and he's using those btc...

Well... 1million tokens are worth around 10billion, I can't even imagine their worth 20 years in the future... I'd surely be hiding away with all those money... And I'd surely spread a rumor about me losing those coins, so no one will ever come looking for me for those coins...

And saying again, if I had really lost all those coins, I'd be ashamed to show my face...

So, stop looking for the man and give him some peace, maybe he'll show up in the future...

Lastly, for the record, I don't think Mike Hearn is Satoshi too. But, he may be one of the few who can reveal his identity.
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March 01, 2018, 09:55:37 AM
#65
Hi, mate. He is Elon Musk as I have said before. Elon is a humble genius and very likely to create such thing as Bitcoin.

For changing the world.

Stop speculating man. By now we should've gone past the stage of trying to figure out the identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto. It's neither Mike Hearn, Elon Musk or even Craig wright. If Satoshi wants to be known, I think he would've revealed his identity a long time ago. For all we know, He might just be thus unpopular tech guy
Thank you guys for bumping the thread. I have just found it and it was a good and an interesting read. I don't know if it got me convinced, but I don't agree that people should stop speculating. It is very human to be curious, speculate and try to solve misteries. Isn't it exactly why Satoshi invented bitcoin in a first place, out of pure human curiosity?
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March 01, 2018, 09:10:46 AM
#64
Hi, mate. He is Elon Musk as I have said before. Elon is a humble genius and very likely to create such thing as Bitcoin.

For changing the world.

Stop speculating man. By now we should've gone past the stage of trying to figure out the identity behind Satoshi Nakamoto. It's neither Mike Hearn, Elon Musk or even Craig wright. If Satoshi wants to be known, I think he would've revealed his identity a long time ago. For all we know, He might just be thus unpopular tech guy
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March 01, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
#63
I don't think Saroshi is Mike Hearn. Satoshi (or the Satoshi team) is too smart to discover themselves and to let them open to the public
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March 01, 2018, 08:42:14 AM
#62
Hi, mate. He is Elon Musk as I have said before. Elon is a humble genius and very likely to create such thing as Bitcoin.

For changing the world.
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March 01, 2018, 08:20:09 AM
#61


If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.

There are only two explanations I can think of that Satoshi's coins aren't moving.  Either Satoshi had second thoughts about scarcity and decided there should be less coins in circulation and deliberately put theirs beyond use.  Or, more likely, when Satoshi said they were "moving on" they meant that figuratively to say they were dying.  

Satoshi wouldn't have accidentally lost access.  It's not even remotely plausible.  Either it was deliberate or it was something outside of their control (like mortality). 
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February 28, 2018, 10:45:58 PM
#60


If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...

No, I am saying that Bitcoin wasn't worth anything for the first 18 months and therefore people including Satoshi didn't care much about preserving the private keys. Remember the 10,000 BTC pizza transaction? That transaction took place at the end of May 2010 which kind of established any worth for BTC for the first time. Think of it like something that was like a penny but wasn't even close to worth a penny. If you dropped one of those pennies, I bet you wouldn't care much.
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February 28, 2018, 04:43:13 AM
#59
David Kleiman, who unfortunately passed away in 2013, could be our best candidate for Satoshi Nakamoto's true identity. Here's an article on Kleiman's background and story. None of those claiming to be Satoshi have ever moved the genesis blocks Satoshi is known to own the private keys to. With Satoshi holding 1 million plus btc, which are now worth more than $4 billion, the best explanation is Satoshi must have passed away.   Sad

No.

Even Mike clues everyone in as to what happened to all the early coins that are still unspent.
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I no longer have the keys that were referenced in my initial emails with Satoshi. That's why the remaining coins are unspent. At the time bitcoins had no value at all and nobody else was using the system, so I didn't bother backing up the wallet and eventually lost it. Back then there were no forums, no markets, no exchanges, no usage at all as far as I could see and Satoshi did not seem to have any interesting in marketing either.
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"You mistaken a 2009 Bitcoin forum for a Bitcoin forum in 2009."[/center]

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mike-hearn-2700


On 17 Mar 2010, the now-defunct BitcoinMarket.com exchange is the first one that starts operating.

Does anybody know what Mike Hearn has been smoking?

Aside: Re the last link above, I smell an update for the below in the making ...


Oh, and speaking of "no market", let's revisit Mike's first post, eh?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.30122

You do realize that Bitcoin started 11 months before what ever it is you are trying to reference here and everything I am talking about happened during that first year. For example, the bulk of Satoshi's coins are from 2009, and Mike is confirmed to have been involved in October of 2009 for sure and through his emails as early as April 2009. Also there was no value in bitcoin during this time as you submitted a link to that proof yourself. I think you are confusing December 2009 with December 2008 or something. Even up until Satoshi went silent here, bitcoin had very little value and didn't find dollar parity until after he walked away from the forum. I am not sure what you think you are proving here but you are wrong in whatever you are attempting.

Mike is Satoshi.

Mike doesn't have the keys to the coins he mined in 2009 which means Satoshi does not have the keys to the coins mined in 2009 because they had no value.

For fun, let's assume Satoshi did mine 1 million coins throughout 2009 and 2010. Up until August of 2010 bitcoin had zero value. That is $0. So for 1 year and 8 months (or 20 months) Satoshi was holding onto a wallet or private keys for 20,000 blocks mined (1,000,000 divide by 50) worth of coins that had zero value. Why? Why would he preserve something so worthless at the time when he said multiple times it was an experiment and beta?




If I'm getting all these right, you're telling me that Satoshi, the founder of Bitcoin and the genesis block miner, had 1,000,000 BTC from the 20,000 blocks he solved. AND because he lost faith in this project becoming reality, he didn't care about them enough and lost the goddamn keys to this 1mil btc?

Damn son! I'd be hiding from my stupidity as well...
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October 25, 2017, 12:43:01 AM
#58
I'll wait for the documentary in 10 years which gives us all the facts and secrets. Hopefully there is a stash of notes and ideas which he releases once he feels comfortable.
AGD
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October 25, 2017, 12:40:53 AM
#57
Apologies for quoting the [long] OP since nobody else had to date. Nice write-up, bud. Almost puts my James Simons theory to rest, but I can still see him backing Bitcoin's creation, using Mike and perhaps Hal and Nick Szabo as the voice of SN, the latter, NS, being the main voice.

Why apologize for quoting? Why would you feel the need to quote it too? I don't care that you did, just curious why.

Link to your theory? I am always interested in other peoples ideas of who Satoshi could be. I don't know who James Simons is. I have never come across his name. I definitely think Hal could be involved with Mike. Nick Szabo definitely has the same missing online presence as Mike Hearn during Satoshi's online life. However, I am not convinced Nick Szabo was involved. If Szabo created bit gold before, why would he originally call bitcoin electronic-cash then change it to Bitcoin? I believe Nick probably would have called it that from the beginning or not called it that at all since it does sort of link the 2 projects together in name.

Also, I think it was Wei Dai or Adam Back that said Satoshi had no idea about Nick Szabo's bit gold. This definitely makes sense that Satoshi would change the name to Bitcoin after he discovered Bit Gold just months before Bitcoin was released.


I apologized because it's a long OP. I quoted it mostly for my records, having nothing to do with any other reason.

I still think that James Simons put the team together with Nick being the public-facing voice of SN. The team was, and is well paid for their NDA. At the same time, Steve Bannon was working with Brock Pierce where they just got U$65M from Goldman Sachs. Speaking of, how many Sachs dudes make up Trump's cabinet? Don't forget, Robert Mercer was instrumental in getting Trump elected. Simons and Mercer are no friends with the Federal Reserve. Breitbart News publishes Bitcoin/crypto related articles on a regular basis, with all articles first approved by Rebekah Mercer.

The above is just a teaser for my book that'll come out in 2028.  Tongue

That Brock Pierce, who is known to like pool partys with underage boys? I'd buy that book. Keep writing, Bruno.
But I will wear a tutu if Mike Hearn is Satoshi Nakamoto...
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