Topic: Could this be Satoshi back in 2002 - page 2. (Read 5484 times)

Bitcoin took a lot longer than 7 years to create:

-1992 The Cypherpunks create an anonymous mailer for like-minded users to share ideas.(Eric Hughes, Tim May, Hal Finney, Wei Dai, Nick Szabo, Adam Back, Ray Dillenger, Zooko, etc….)
https://www.cypherpunks.to/faq/cyphernomicron/cyphernomicon.txt

-1995 Tim May posts a call to the Cypherpunks to create a decentralised electronic currency.
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg00964.html

-1995 Nick Szabo answers Tim’s call(He also has smart contracts to include once it gets going)
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg01303.html

-1996 Wei Dai PipeNet 1.1
http://www.weidai.com/pipenet.txt

-1997 Tim Mays Anonymous Digital Cash paper.
http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/tcmay.htm

-1997 Adam Backs “Hashash”
http://www.hashcash.org/

- 1998 Wei Dai elaborates on Tim’s idea for a digital currency and called it “Bmoney”.(It reads like the beginning idea of BitGold/Bitcoin)
http://www.weidai.com/bmoney.txt

-1998 Szabo had a simular more detailed idea “BitGold” soon after Dai’s paper and he worked relentlessly on making that idea work.
http://szabo.best.vwh.net/intrapoly.html
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg00988.htmle

-1999 Szabo mentions bitgold and talk of a special “ASIC” type chip that could be used for mining.
http://szabo.best.vwh.net/intrapoly.html

- 2004 Hal Finney’s “RPOW” was the missing piece of the puzzle. “RPOW” was added on top of Adam Back’s “HashCash”. (The solution for the Byzantine General’s Problem which allows BitGold/Bitcoin to be completed)
http://cryptome.org/rpow.htm

-2004 Wei Dai’s c++ library

-2005 Nick Szabo publishes BitGold paper.
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html?m=1

2007 Satoshi says he started putting Bitcoin together.

2007 Szabo & Zooko put ideas together.
Zooko: "I want to invent something else: a truly decentralized economic mechanism.  Research that points in this direction includes the sub-field of "algorithmic mechanism design" within economic game theory, some peer-to-peer research such as GNUnet, Wei Dai's and Nick Szabo's ideas about "bit gold", Nick Szabo's "smart contracts", and much more.Another inspiration is BitTorrent's tit-for-tat mechanism, which is decentralized and minimal, but gets the job done within its limited problem domain."
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000022.html
https://tahoe-lafs.org/pipermail/tahoe-dev/2007-June/000025.html

2007 Szabo Blogging about two ideas. BitGold and Scarce Objects(finite supply like Bitcoin) plus “Nanobarter”
Note: These ideas put together with Zooko’s “p2p with nodes” (Nanobarter) is Bitcoin
http://web.archive.org/web/20070625154046/http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20070618142414/http://szabo.best.vwh.net/scarce.html

-2008 Szabo calls out to the cypherpunks for help to finalize coding BitGold and run a test net a few months before the white paper gets published online.
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/

*Szabo’s post for assistance:
“Bitgold would greatly benefit from a demonstration, an experimental market (with e.g. a trusted third party substituted for the complex security that would be needed for a real system). Anybody want to help me code one up?”

-Satoshi Nakamoto appears out of thin air and introduces Bitcoin right in the middle of the economic crisis that was saturated in the news at that time and then disappears.

More info:
http://originalcontroltheory.tumblr.com/

That's Lenstra's email, are you saying that was the email of the guy in 2002 that put out the idea that some think is Satoshi?

Or are you saying yeah this is Lenstra's known email from 2000 era?

Lenstra is a major figure in crypto and that is a good reason to implicate him as Satoshi in that post above saying the main crypto guy in ECC that may have posted that 2002 post was in NL as the post to usenet came from there.

When you start looking at major crypto guys you have

USA Koblitz (curves used in btc)
NL Lenstra (created ECC)
Canada (several guys)
A few euro countries (several guys)

Not significant by itself, but may provide further leads, his public email addresses from May 2000

[email protected].
[email protected]

Watch how th NSA assassinates the poor shmuck now using his IP

http://whois.domaintools.com/213.84.232.11

It's probably the professor in NL that created ECC, and he used Neal Koblitz to hide it was him (reason to use Koblitz curves).

So Satoshi was the original professor from 1970's that really created ECC.

Hmmm

Anyone can read the thread and see bitcoin seed thoughts in this post and how the public reacted.

Great find, it's the professor in the NL that created ECC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrik_Lenstra

That was Lenstra's IP in 2002 right from the NL

The grand daddy of ECC crypto

if only there was someone with influence in this world that fight might dream would come true. so, more precisely its need someone who gives it a chance.

The idea of a peer to peer banking system isn't new, many people had dreamed about it or tried to make it and Satoshi probably wasn't the first one think about it. So there is little chance he could be Satoshi.

See how they mocked him? Who got the last laugh, though?

EDIT:Lol, see how one person who mocked him is called 'Miner'? Oh, the irony!!!

Idea sounds similiar but im not convinced its Satoshi.
Many got such great ideas, but only one succed.

FOr sure it's not him , he is too smart to let obvious tracks like these . in google ? come on...

You're basing this on what exactly?
Even I managed to remove 99% of my 'things' on the internet prior to this year. Do you think that he would have not done the same?

Result of this discussion: media --> Satoshi found, possible sell-off (1M bitcoins) inbound? .. sigh.

No it wasn't, it's just that everyone was an idiot about it and thought government tapping of the internet was tinfoil hat.

There is a chance this was him, or at least he took insipiration by x's post.
I won't get surprised if it really would have been him, I mean, he is obsessed with privacy,signign as X does make sense.

People think to see Satoshi everywhere, tomorrow it's in a zoo forum, next day it's in a bike forum, etc.

There were more people who had the intention to think of a new sort way of paying.

Satoshi's Bitcoin is the first new and decentral digital currency that is really in use now.

I doubt satoshi came out of the womb anonymous and wanting to protect his privacy 100% from an early age. This post was made over five years before bitcoin was released and the 'satoshi' who only had the basis for the idea back then could or would probably be a lot more naive and a lot less security conscious than the older one who would've obviously been far wiser by the time he realised his idea into a fully workable product.

I don't think the flaws in paypal and the true need for a trust-less way to send money in a p2p fashion were not apparent in 2002.
It was much more difficult to protect your privacy back then so if that was satoshi then he would likely have leaked a lot of information about himself.

It's easy to say that in retrospect but a whitepaper wouldn't have even entered his mind at the time as his idea seems to be something he was only in the genesis of (if you could even call it that) and thus isn't going to be that concerned about privacy when he hadn't even got a fully working idea, so this seems to be just thinking out loud more than anything serious.


He took care of his privacy after he had something that was workable and ready to be released years later. And what's the mistake? Everybody is still none the wiser to who he is.

Do you really believe, that he never talked to anybody about it before he created his pseudo-identity?
That is pretty unlikely.

Why there is no details 'x' is found ? What is the email ID of this 'x' ? I think it can be retrieved from Google groups.

I highly doubt this. He took care about his privacy and things, this would be a mistake.
Also people (including me) have a ton of ideas. This is some coincidence.
There we go.

I would somewhat doubt it. I don't think that satoshi would have talked about his idea prior to his whitepaper.

This person probably was trying to piggy back off of paypal which was very new at the time