Country restriction and use of vpn or tor - page 2.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit. I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time? If the site pays small wins, will they also pay big wins ^{[if the site detect the user is using vpn or tor].}

The first thing to do after opening a betting site or if possible to do before opening a betting site is to read their terms and conditions of their services, not reading it has got some people into trouble.

If vpn or tor are forbidden in a gambling site terms and conditions, then why using it? Either the use of vpn or tor will not work when visiting their site or if it works, then it can lead to suspicion.

Just abide to the terms and conditions of any centralized sites you send your funds to for the funds not to be seized.

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Yes, most ToS forbids the use of VPN, but hey, most people have that mindset of if you don't get caught then it's not really a huge issue. They can't stop the usage of VPNs by users and honestly, I don't think they can actually even discover them unless the user themselves slip up and reveal that they use VPNs (or reveal that they live in that certain country). VPN's are something that is very useful and wouldn't necessarily reveal that you're using one, after all, that kind of defeats the purpose of using VPNs. Just use a legitimate one imo to make sure you won't get hacked/scammed.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

There are many gambling sites that restrict the participation of users from certain countries to become customers on their sites. Obviously this is something that every gambler in the world does not want especially for those who like to gamble online ^{[crypto gambling].}

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit. I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time? If the site pays small wins, will they also pay big wins ^{[if the site detect the user is using vpn or tor].}

for sure it's something that should violate the TOS, because if there is a restriction for players from certain countries, using any tool to circumvent it, ends up going against the wishes of the site owners, and should be punished.
You need to keep in mind that if you win a big bet, most likely your account will be verified manually, the VPN could be discovered and you won't be able to cash out your winnings, and your account will be banned forever.

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My experience is that yes, most ToS outright forbids the use of VPNs.

However, in practice, most sites acknowledge implicitly that people will use VPNs and there is nothing they can do to stop this from happening. And you could argue that it is in their best interests to allow the use of VPNs so they get more gaming volume.

So I don't think that it's a huge issue if you need to circumvent a country ban using a VPN. Just make sure you're not playing with too much balance.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time?

No excuses. If there's a term about using VPN is prohibited, that was violating a Terms of Service. In the case a gambler is betting on it for a long time and has not detected yet that the user is using a VPN, then the site is free to use by them until noticed.

In the event they got detected, being a long-time gambler on that site can't be applied.

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Rules are rules. That's why gambling sites have it on their Terms of Service (TOS), they are doing business so they are also complying with the government, they will not sacrifice their business for the short term, that's why I hate those people who are crying after their funds locked to the platform because they violate some terms from the platform.

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You must be very careful on using VPN and make sure not to put huge money on that because the casinos might caught you and you might be required by other requirements to get back your account. Many are taking risk to use VPN, know your limit on this and don’t be greedy because anything can happen especially you break the rules and playing against the ToS of that site.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

There are many gambling sites that restrict the participation of users from certain countries to become customers on their sites. Obviously this is something that every gambler in the world does not want especially for those who like to gamble online ^{[crypto gambling].}

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit. I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time? If the site pays small wins, will they also pay big wins ^{[if the site detect the user is using vpn or tor].}

This is my first thread on a gambling board so please don't post just to increase the post count and your answer is greatly appreciated if it is based on your experience so far.

If you use a VPN and the site that you play at states on their terms of services that you can't use VPN, then they have the right to confiscate your funds and close your account. Now you are going to say "why did they let me play? Why are they blocking me after winning?". They can't check each and every user and know if they are breaking their terms or not. Lots of people play and register and once, but only few tries to withdraw. Some withdrawals go through manual check (if you are unlucky) and that's how they find out if you broke their ToS or not. Even if you don't get caught, once you get flagged for KYC, you won't be able to pass and you will lose your funds. But if you are at profit, most casino will allow you to withdraw your deposit.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on November 05, 2021, 03:04:17 PM

dedicated IP rather than using a random VPN or proxy that provides you with dynamic IP whenever you log in.

Yeah, this is another way to deanonymize user: because hosting providers and many VPN services has dynamic IP, site can see that this IP is used by someone who using VPN/hosting. And with such information it will be enough to ban you if such needs will occur.

But in some VPN providers you can buy static IP, yep.

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Quote from: romero121 on November 05, 2021, 01:43:15 PM

Every gambling site have got its own terms of service.
~snip~

^ That is a perfect answer, each gambling casino has different TOS content it means they have different rules and agreements between the users. If you are not in hurry, it should be perfect if you will spend your time first reading the TOS before picking up a good gambling site. Because I never heard a gambling site that their user it allow using VPN and TOR. Before it is too late to blame yourself, start reading if there is a gambling site that is like that, of course, can avoid the possible problem. I understand people that want to protect their privacy but it does not mean it is okay to use VPN, probably the best thing is to follow what is the TOS. Nevertheless, OP welcome to the gambling community.

Most gamblers does have the impression that everything is really just the same in terms of those conditions and rules on most sites which i cant really deny

on because they do only differ most of the time in country restriction and some few tweaks of personal prohibition and the rest were just the same thats why people are not really minding much on reading it over.

Tor or Vpn is something that is prohibited on some sites and its normal that you would be following it.

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Quote from: romero121 on November 05, 2021, 01:43:15 PM

Every gambling site have got its own terms of service.
~snip~

^ That is a perfect answer, each gambling casino has different TOS content it means they have different rules and agreements between the users. If you are not in hurry, it should be perfect if you will spend your time first reading the TOS before picking up a good gambling site. Because I never heard a gambling site that their user it allow using VPN and TOR. Before it is too late to blame yourself, start reading if there is a gambling site that is like that, of course, can avoid the possible problem. I understand people that want to protect their privacy but it does not mean it is okay to use VPN, probably the best thing is to follow what is the TOS. Nevertheless, OP welcome to the gambling community.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 05, 2021, 02:42:53 PM

Yes.

One thing of this shit T&C, the casino still accepted and let you play even you're using VPN because just using a small balance. Now, the big problem is while you win a lot money more than a thousand dollars. There has some chance your account got blocked, due to restricted country + using VPN that's one of sketchy thing for casino still accepted a user with VPN even we all know based on their T&C is can't be use.

You don’t have any legal battle if you win big on that casinos and still using VPN because in the first place, that is the rules and you break that rules. There’s too much risk on VPN, this is not worth it and I’ll not do this if ever I gamble with big money, the casino can freeze any time your account especially if you violated their ToS.

Some don't have the problem of using VPN yet because maybe they are winning small amount of money, but when you win big, that's when most casinos will manually check your account and find reasons not to pay your winnings. And most of the time, if you are using VPN and it is against their rules, they have very good reason to freeze your funds. You will not win on this case, even if we say, they accepted your deposit knowing you are using VPN, because they are holding your funds. The least thing they can do is maybe return your initial deposit and not your winnings, and then, block your account. But don't expect that every casino will return your initial deposit. Because there are some conditions that they have all the right to confiscate your funds if you violated their ToS. So for me, just don't play on casinos with restrictions on this matter.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 05, 2021, 02:42:53 PM

Yes.

One thing of this shit T&C, the casino still accepted and let you play even you're using VPN because just using a small balance. Now, the big problem is while you win a lot money more than a thousand dollars. There has some chance your account got blocked, due to restricted country + using VPN that's one of sketchy thing for casino still accepted a user with VPN even we all know based on their T&C is can't be use.

You don’t have any legal battle if you win big on that casinos and still using VPN because in the first place, that is the rules and you break that rules. There’s too much risk on VPN, this is not worth it and I’ll not do this if ever I gamble with big money, the casino can freeze any time your account especially if you violated their ToS.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit.

I understand your eagerness to gamble but to take such risk is not worth it for sure especially if you are going to gamble with huge money so cracking the system will never make you safe. Why not look for a gambling site that is available in your country to avoid any problem in the future, restrictions are always there you just need to find a good site that will work for you.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

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this is an interesting question

I live in a country where all gambling activities are banned and I have been using a VPN for a long time to play on my favorite gambling site
and so far I haven't had any major problems using a VPN even when I won thousands of dollars from the jackpot

but I don't know if those who win over $10k will get in trouble for using a VPN or not!

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit. I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time? If the site pays small wins, will they also pay big wins ^{[if the site detect the user is using vpn or tor].}

If a website is restricting a certain country you cannot expect them to pay you when you play and win big using a proxy, it will be against their policy even though you are a long term user. If a site is not forcing you to undergo mandatory KYC then you can overcome these restriction by purchasing a dedicated IP rather than using a random VPN or proxy that provides you with dynamic IP whenever you log in.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on November 05, 2021, 02:42:53 PM

Yes.

One thing of this shit T&C, the casino still accepted and let you play even you're using VPN because just using a small balance. Now, the big problem is while you win a lot money more than a thousand dollars. There has some chance your account got blocked, due to restricted country + using VPN that's one of sketchy thing for casino still accepted a user with VPN even we all know based on their T&C is can't be use.

So it's true that even I did something like this in the TOS rules saying it's forbidden to use a VPN but I used and made small deposits/withdrawals it's fine there is no problem even though it's prohibited in the TOS and the team is like letting small users do VPN or TOR.
On the other hand, I have never won over $1000 when using a VPN and of course I will know the consequences by blocking the account and withholding the funds won, but it is still a risk where when you are very lucky when using a VPN you may have to give up the funds on hold. by the team because it will be checked further.

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Yes.

One thing of this shit T&C, the casino still accepted and let you play even you're using VPN because just using a small balance. Now, the big problem is while you win a lot money more than a thousand dollars. There has some chance your account got blocked, due to restricted country + using VPN that's one of sketchy thing for casino still accepted a user with VPN even we all know based on their T&C is can't be use.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

There are many gambling sites that restrict the participation of users from certain countries to become customers on their sites. Obviously this is something that every gambler in the world does not want especially for those who like to gamble online ^{[crypto gambling].}

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit. I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time? If the site pays small wins, will they also pay big wins ^{[if the site detect the user is using vpn or tor].}

This is my first thread on a gambling board so please don't post just to increase the post count and your answer is greatly appreciated if it is based on your experience so far.

Violation would always be a violation and that would be having corresponding consequences on that one one the casino had seen out that you are violating the terms and conditions but as mentioned above that there were users are still playing without any problems despite of using VPN which i could say that
the time might not be now but once you had won something big then this is where problems might rise or would be possibly dig up and since you do
know that you had violated on the first poace then you wouldnt really make any complaints for sure.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on November 05, 2021, 01:20:01 PM

There are many gambling sites that restrict the participation of users from certain countries to become customers on their sites. Obviously this is something that every gambler in the world does not want especially for those who like to gamble online ^{[crypto gambling].}

One way to anticipate restrictions is to use a vpn or use the TOR browser. But in many TOS of gambling sites I found the site forbids users to use VPN although some customers so far have had no problem with the habit. I just want to know if using a vpn or tor is something that can violate the TOS even though a gambler has been betting on the site for a long time? If the site pays small wins, will they also pay big wins ^{[if the site detect the user is using vpn or tor].}

This is my first thread on a gambling board so please don't post just to increase the post count and your answer is greatly appreciated if it is based on your experience so far.

Unfortunately, violation of any regulations may have consequences. It probably depends on the owner how restrictive he is when checking such details. If the casino wants to take advantage of the law guaranteed by the regulations, I am affraid that there is a high risk that you will lose money.
In my opinion, it's better not to risk unnecessarily. At the moment, there are a lot of casinos on the market and you can certainly find one whose regulations allow players from a given country.

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