COVID had widened the gap between world's richest and poorest

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Quote from: bakasabo on August 10, 2022, 03:29:51 AM

I still dont understand what gap has been widened. Both rich and poor have suffered from covid. I might even say, that rich people have lost more, if we think that their "rich" is evaluated by the amount of profit they get from trading and offering services. And poor are always poor. They cant lose much, because they dont have much. Rich people can afford to live in a sterile houses, get best medicine, build best immune system. But that still does not make them 100% safe from being infected. Being rich does not make person invulnerable.

I agree - its not that the gap has been widened - people came on the same page.
The rich and the poor are on the same page. They both suffer the same illness. They both suffered the same inflation. They both suffered the same issues.
COVID has brought people on the same page. No gap widened.

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I still dont understand what gap has been widened. Both rich and poor have suffered from covid. I might even say, that rich people have lost more, if we think that their "rich" is evaluated by the amount of profit they get from trading and offering services. And poor are always poor. They cant lose much, because they dont have much. Rich people can afford to live in a sterile houses, get best medicine, build best immune system. But that still does not make them 100% safe from being infected. Being rich does not make person invulnerable.

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Sometime when hard luck hits the door - it hits real hard and come uninvited ...
so in our culture we alway pray to lord to save us from bad time and from bad people. Also this Covid has bought people on the same page - be it rich or the poor

Hey there, this is not to piss on your culture or hurt your feelings in any way, but praying to whoever to save you guys from bad time and bad people isn’t really going to stop bad things from happening or keep bad people away from you. Hard times and bad evil people has always been here despite all the churches and prayers offered. Why do you think that is?

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Quote from: TheNineClub on August 04, 2022, 04:04:49 AM

At this point, the gap has already been so wide that further widening means little. But it should be addressed, or rather it should have already been addressed, but this signals two things. First, it's symptomatic of late-stage capitalism. The second is that people will not do much about it as far as they are given a perceived level of monetary gain and a myriad of unimportant trinkets to disguise the fact that those on the other end of that gap are getting richer from their work.

I think the second reason is mainly because there are also a lot of people who think "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" club. That means there are people out there who are not rich right now, and they are still protecting the rights of the rich people instead of their own because they think they could become rich at anytime.

This was mainly done by people and the media who talked about "rags to riches" stories for many years, and while we had over a billion people who lived in the USA since its start, we also had only a few people ever who had more than a billion dollars, so it is a big lie that people could get rags to riches, the odds are at least 10 million to one, meaning it would not make sense to protect their rights but poor people still do.

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Quote from: Furious 7 on August 05, 2022, 12:50:01 PM

Currently, the problem regarding Covid seems to have ended and indeed what must be done is to make moves for each country to overcome the impact of what is produced, especially in the economic sector.
Currently, apart from the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the government will not be able to fully handle it directly because they also have to fix their economy, which is definitely hit hard by this pandemic.

The covid problem hasn't ended, it is very far from ending, there are still new cases everyday, though the cases are dropping gradually. I feel the reason why covid news is not as popular as it used to be is because the world is currently battling issues like inflation, wars, rising cost of gas, unemployment and the rest, most of these world's issues have become worse since covid started, and covid played a part in them multiplying, and now they pose more problem than the pandemic itself that already has a vaccine in circulation.

Covid has brought everyone on the same page. ...
Now even the one who drives mercedes is worried and is not leaving house unnecessarily or for long drive bez of petrol prices

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Quote from: Furious 7 on August 05, 2022, 12:50:01 PM

Currently, the problem regarding Covid seems to have ended and indeed what must be done is to make moves for each country to overcome the impact of what is produced, especially in the economic sector.
Currently, apart from the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the government will not be able to fully handle it directly because they also have to fix their economy, which is definitely hit hard by this pandemic.

The covid problem hasn't ended, it is very far from ending, there are still new cases everyday, though the cases are dropping gradually. I feel the reason why covid news is not as popular as it used to be is because the world is currently battling issues like inflation, wars, rising cost of gas, unemployment and the rest, most of these world's issues have become worse since covid started, and covid played a part in them multiplying, and now they pose more problem than the pandemic itself that already has a vaccine in circulation.

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Quote from: harapan on August 04, 2022, 02:29:22 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on August 04, 2022, 03:47:06 AM

I cant speak for all countries, but in my covid tests (if you really have symptoms) and vaccination is free. Poor and rich people got same vaccine, same tests. The only difference with other countries was that in my country I had to buy medicine masks myself, while in Germany for example you can get those green simple masks by free. I would not say that this is the great difference to be called a gap.

Everyone(rich and poor alike)got the same tests and the same vaccines and that won’t be enough to classify as the widening gap between the rich and the poor. But looking at another perspective, top management executives who worked little and from home made a whole lot more than the common man who was out of a job or was paid peanuts to work. Some organizations and companies were also given “tax breaks” to be able to stay afloat and not have to lay off workers. These management executives made a whole lot during the covid pandemic

During the same pandemic some countries realised the needof people and gave the full pay, and never made firing of employees. This is done with the company's profit in the past years. Some Management executives and companies made use of the tax exemption and never thought of the employees. Slightly things are getting better and people are returning back to normal life, but the economy around the globe is moving downward.

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Quote from: harapan on August 03, 2022, 07:34:52 AM

Being poor or being rich is not a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
There are millions of people who work their ass off every day to earn peanuts. I wouldn’t call those folks lazy and they’re definitely not choosing to be poor. If working hard results In being rich, the gap between the poor and the rich wouldn’t be so wide.
Besides, where would you have the citizens of a country look to for help if not it’s own government

That is true, I have met with a lot of them and unfortunately life is not fair and when you want it to be fair there are a lot of people who are not rich at all try to find a way to defend the rich people and that is the problem.

The 90% of the world has the same amount of money that 1% of the world does, and we could vote people out who would protect those people, and put people at the top like president that will make sure that the world is a lot more fair, but that 90% end up fighting each other about right or left wing, abortion or not abortion, mines or no mines, corruption all around etc etc. Instead of focusing what would benefit them, they focus on ideology and lose together.

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Quote from: Mario Yamasaki on August 03, 2022, 03:24:36 AM

This is a fact when a Covid occurs, many people become poor, many unemployment but rich people who have strong capital can survive and even increase wealth, when there is a high economic gap, the role of the state is needed by providing capital assistance or subsidies to people in need.

Currently, the problem regarding Covid seems to have ended and indeed what must be done is to make moves for each country to overcome the impact of what is produced, especially in the economic sector.
Currently, apart from the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, the government will not be able to fully handle it directly because they also have to fix their economy, which is definitely hit hard by this pandemic.

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Quote from: harapan on August 04, 2022, 02:29:22 PM

Quote from: bakasabo on August 04, 2022, 03:47:06 AM

I cant speak for all countries, but in my covid tests (if you really have symptoms) and vaccination is free. Poor and rich people got same vaccine, same tests. The only difference with other countries was that in my country I had to buy medicine masks myself, while in Germany for example you can get those green simple masks by free. I would not say that this is the great difference to be called a gap.

Everyone(rich and poor alike)got the same tests and the same vaccines and that won’t be enough to classify as the widening gap between the rich and the poor. But looking at another perspective, top management executives who worked little and from home made a whole lot more than the common man who was out of a job or was paid peanuts to work. Some organizations and companies were also given “tax breaks” to be able to stay afloat and not have to lay off workers. These management executives made a whole lot during the covid pandemic

There are ones or companies/personalities/jobs/businesses who do really take off that advantage on that pandemic period which is something that cant really be changed nor avoided.

If we do talk about the differences on how people do earn money on that time then it would really be just normal that we could really see on whose the one have the lightest situation in terms of getting
income and who do have the hardest situation.We could make out that kind of comparison which it is really hard but it is indeed the reality.

Therefore, as an individual then its just normal that we would really be seeking off for another alternative personally to make ourselves sustain at least on different situations or condition.

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Quote from: bakasabo on August 04, 2022, 03:47:06 AM

I cant speak for all countries, but in my covid tests (if you really have symptoms) and vaccination is free. Poor and rich people got same vaccine, same tests. The only difference with other countries was that in my country I had to buy medicine masks myself, while in Germany for example you can get those green simple masks by free. I would not say that this is the great difference to be called a gap.

Everyone(rich and poor alike)got the same tests and the same vaccines and that won’t be enough to classify as the widening gap between the rich and the poor. But looking at another perspective, top management executives who worked little and from home made a whole lot more than the common man who was out of a job or was paid peanuts to work. Some organizations and companies were also given “tax breaks” to be able to stay afloat and not have to lay off workers. These management executives made a whole lot during the covid pandemic

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Quote from: Pejoh Asu on August 04, 2022, 08:15:51 AM

In my country the rich man got richer, when a Covid occurred, there was a strict social restriction so that the small industry could not compete so that it died, this made the position of capital owner stronger and could monopolize, especially the country did not care about the lives of the poor proven many subsidies were eliminated .

Indeed, because rich people have a strong connection to every sector and it gives them a lot of opportunity to control under market and services. While poor people are always looking for cheap but helpful services and products. It only depends of a rich person of will he or she spread this opportunity to others.

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In my country the rich man got richer, when a Covid occurred, there was a strict social restriction so that the small industry could not compete so that it died, this made the position of capital owner stronger and could monopolize, especially the country did not care about the lives of the poor proven many subsidies were eliminated .

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Quote from: yudi09 on August 04, 2022, 01:16:00 AM

Poor and rich is just a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
You need to remember that a great nation is a nation that has people who do not want to burden their country.

A great nation is a nation that has people who do not want to burden their country.
I think that’s a load of bullshit.

Being poor or being rich is not a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
There are millions of people who work their ass off every day to earn peanuts.
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It's just bad luck guy.
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It’s now bad luck and no longer a choice to be poor right? As of an individual would willfully choose to remain poor

One of the roles and functions of government according to Adam Smith (1976) is to provide goods that are not provided by the private sector apart from providing security and defense. You can read more about this and I don't think there is any need for further debate.
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I didn’t realize we were in a debate. Also, a major role of government is to help alleviate the problems and sufferings of its citizen. I’m sure Adam Smith would also agree
You could also read more about the roles government has to play in the lives of its citizens

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At this point, the gap has already been so wide that further widening means little. But it should be addressed, or rather it should have already been addressed, but this signals two things. First, it's symptomatic of late-stage capitalism. The second is that people will not do much about it as far as they are given a perceived level of monetary gain and a myriad of unimportant trinkets to disguise the fact that those on the other end of that gap are getting richer from their work.

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I cant speak for all countries, but in my covid tests (if you really have symptoms) and vaccination is free. Poor and rich people got same vaccine, same tests. The only difference with other countries was that in my country I had to buy medicine masks myself, while in Germany for example you can get those green simple masks by free. I would not say that this is the great difference to be called a gap.

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Quote from: Mario Yamasaki on August 03, 2022, 03:24:36 AM

This is a fact when a Covid occurs, many people become poor, many unemployment but rich people who have strong capital can survive and even increase wealth, when there is a high economic gap, the role of the state is needed by providing capital assistance or subsidies to people in need.

I think every government from all countries is also handling the Covid problem which has penetrated and occurred in almost all countries until it is finished. So there is nothing more to discuss about Covid but rather about economic issues that may always be different in each country. So if you only look at the rich and the poor, then look at the abilities of each of them which makes a person poor is the wrong way of thinking and lazy to work.

That's true and in fact the difference is that being poor remains poor,
However, the government certainly does not stay silent and tries to deal with the existing economic problems.
so it seems important to learn a positive mindset

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Quote from: harapan on August 03, 2022, 07:34:52 AM

Quote from: yudi09 on August 03, 2022, 07:07:59 AM

The government will certainly be there to help the people when an outbreak like Covid occurs, but there is something more important than expecting help from the government, namely the people's readiness to face disasters. The government is only tasked with protecting every citizen and ensuring the comfort of every citizen who is domiciled in a country.

Poor and rich is just a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
You need to remember that a great nation is a nation that has people who do not want to burden their country.

Being poor or being rich is not a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
There are millions of people who work their ass off every day to earn peanuts.

It's just bad luck guy.

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Besides, where would you have the citizens of a country look to for help if not it’s own government

One of the roles and functions of government according to Adam Smith (1976) is to provide goods that are not provided by the private sector apart from providing security and defense. You can read more about this and I don't think there is any need for further debate.

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Quote from: yudi09 on August 03, 2022, 07:07:59 AM

The government will certainly be there to help the people when an outbreak like Covid occurs, but there is something more important than expecting help from the government, namely the people's readiness to face disasters. The government is only tasked with protecting every citizen and ensuring the comfort of every citizen who is domiciled in a country.

Poor and rich is just a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
You need to remember that a great nation is a nation that has people who do not want to burden their country.

Being poor or being rich is not a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
There are millions of people who work their ass off every day to earn peanuts. I wouldn’t call those folks lazy and they’re definitely not choosing to be poor. If working hard results In being rich, the gap between the poor and the rich wouldn’t be so wide.
Besides, where would you have the citizens of a country look to for help if not it’s own government

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Quote from: Mario Yamasaki on August 03, 2022, 03:24:36 AM

This is a fact when a Covid occurs, many people become poor, many unemployment but rich people who have strong capital can survive and even increase wealth, when there is a high economic gap, the role of the state is needed by providing capital assistance or subsidies to people in need.

The government will certainly be there to help the people when an outbreak like Covid occurs, but there is something more important than expecting help from the government, namely the people's readiness to face disasters. The government is only tasked with protecting every citizen and ensuring the comfort of every citizen who is domiciled in a country.

Poor and rich is just a choice between wanting to work or being lazy.
You need to remember that a great nation is a nation that has people who do not want to burden their country.

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