COVID19 VACCINE AND ECONOMIC GROWTH? - page 8.

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Quote from: plvbob0070 on August 16, 2020, 05:03:38 AM

Other countries are only depending on the creation of the vaccine because they can't fight the pandemic anymore. Just like the Philippines, the government is obviously just waiting and depending on the vaccine because if you will look at the current situation, they can't flatten the curve. Rushing the vaccine can be dangerous but in order to see the effectiveness of this vaccine, they need trials and it depends on people whether they join the trial or not. Personally, I won't participate in the trials and I will just wait until it is proven safe for the majority. For now, the best thing to do while waiting is to be cautious and always wash our hands.

The best thing to do is to prevent yourself being infected, there's no other options for third world country but to accept this challenged
and take the risk in taking this test trial. Only vaccines can help the economy as there are lots of people who continue suffering from both the
virus and lacking of foods to feed their families.
Government needs to find the quickest solutions and with people who are willing to take this test, they are moving towards hoping that
it will have the best results for them to live back and survive from this pandemic virus.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

It is known worldwide that russia had been into the last phase of the trials of Covid19 Vaccine. It already coordinated with other countries to participate in the last phase of trial and that is the mass vaccination of the said Vaccine for covid19. Some countries like Philippines is wiling to cooperate and even buy the Vaccine.

As I have read some articles about creating a Vaccine would take the usual time frame needed before it will be created and declare as safe could take up to several years like 5-25 years. In this case the Vaccine was being made rush and it could harm people especially in the plan for mass vaccnation. I can't imagine the devastating effect of the vaccine if found out later the bad side effects on human body. Like the Dengvaxia issue wherein most people get injected without dengue history will complicate dengue illness. The dengue will become severe when one injected with dengcaxia for those who had not been into dengue sickness before. The sad thing is that the vaccine effect will take up to 5 years. So, five years of being stress not to get dengue and a life threating vaccine being injected to the body is something awful.

Now, Covid19 vaccine could also be the same as with dengvaxia. I am not questioning the scientist or the russia tech and people doing their research on creating the vaccine. yes they are good but this is not about how they do the reasearch but the effect itself that is not still known and again vaccine making will take years before it can be declared as safe vaccine for the people.

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

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I don't trust covid vaccine easily because i am afraid if it will like the dengvaxia before that caused death instead to cure. But if ever it will be proven effective against covid virus then it has a huge impact to the economy because through this vaccine ,the economy could recover again even not fast. People could go to work again without doubt and fear the virus because there is already a protection. Hoping that this vaccine from Russia has a positive result and could treat the covid patients easily even it is not yet included for the third and last phase trial of those tentative covid vaccine.

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Its good to know that Russia is the first country who will soon released the covid-19 vaccine. But, I am not so happy at all. Yes, we all wanted the Cure, the most awaited vaccine to put an end with this devastating crisis that we are facing, but I have so much doubts because it was so obvious that this vaccine was made in a hurry.
So, my answer is no. I would never dare to try it unless I've seen more positive feedbacks. I just hope it will turns out well to everyone. Life now is very doubtful. Its either you will die with covid-19 or you will die with that vaccine. It really brought fear in me.
To answer the last question, if this vaccine will be successfully injected and the results are all good, then probably Russia will lead in the world's economic growth.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

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The shortest time possible to create a vaccine is 12-18 months and we saw the vaccine of Russia being created in less than a year and we all know that it skipped some of the clinical trials. Even though it has promising results in their country, it will not be the same in other countries.

Now regarding the Dengvaxia, I didn't tried to do some research on it but I only know that many people especially children are killed because of it. It can also happen again with the Sputnik V (Russian cure for COVID19) that is why they are doing some trials on it too and possible it will be used by public next year at least.

Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

I'm not infected with the virus so I will use myself as an experiment tool and inject this vaccine to me.

Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

One effective vaccine can be a catalyst to the recovery of the economy of the countries. It can make the current economy reverse from down trend to uptrend but still it will take time. It can start for the economy to grow again for sure.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

It is known worldwide that russia had been into the last phase of the trials of Covid19 Vaccine. It already coordinated with other countries to participate in the last phase of trial and that is the mass vaccination of the said Vaccine for covid19. Some countries like Philippines is wiling to cooperate and even buy the Vaccine.

As I have read some articles about creating a Vaccine would take the usual time frame needed before it will be created and declare as safe could take up to several years like 5-25 years. In this case the Vaccine was being made rush and it could harm people especially in the plan for mass vaccnation. I can't imagine the devastating effect of the vaccine if found out later the bad side effects on human body. Like the Dengvaxia issue wherein most people get injected without dengue history will complicate dengue illness. The dengue will become severe when one injected with dengcaxia for those who had not been into dengue sickness before. The sad thing is that the vaccine effect will take up to 5 years. So, five years of being stress not to get dengue and a life threating vaccine being injected to the body is something awful.

Now, Covid19 vaccine could also be the same as with dengvaxia. I am not questioning the scientist or the russia tech and people doing their research on creating the vaccine. yes they are good but this is not about how they do the reasearch but the effect itself that is not still known and again vaccine making will take years before it can be declared as safe vaccine for the people.

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

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Atleast talking about the economic growth. I think world economically has pretty much recovered from Covid. If you see the stock markets of every country they are at levels at which they were during beginning of Covid even the retail markets atleast in my area were flooded post lockdown opened. But yes if vaccine is proven to be effective we can see a big bull run in the economy as due to infused liquidity by almost every government there has been a lot of boost in the economies around the world. Rest it's too speculative to predict anything correctly as of now.

Talking about the vaccine part, I think it's somewhat choosing between the worse and the worse. Reminds me of a saying that harder choice is the choice between worse and the worst.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

I won't do it. First things first, I am not contaminated by the virus, I think we should prioritize those people so that the virus will be contained, right? A lot of things I've read says that the virus might still be dangerous. Also, I don't want to be the lab rat here. Saying that this is the vaccine but still using the "trial" seems very ironic to me.

Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

The reason that a lot of leaders or government are willing to take the risks of being a lab rat for Russia is to immediately eliminate the virus and restart the economy, our country is one of those countries. I know that is for the good but being that desperate seems the worst for a lot of people.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on August 16, 2020, 05:46:52 AM

I agree with the finding of the COVID-19 vaccine that can create economic growth. Several countries are trying to do a vaccine trial
against it some volunteers. Hopefully the results are satisfactory and valid, then they can be produced in large quantities. But if
I am was offered a volunteer to get injection with trial vaccine for free I would refuse, not because it's free, but because it's related
side effects of the sample vaccine. I am not among those who dare to take risks with chemicals, such as a vaccine.

Me Too. Not because I don't support the government but I also not a fan of chemicals inside my body
though vaccine really the only solution for this pandemic.
The vaccine will help bringing business back, means that it will reflect to countries economy pushing
it to rise back and survive.
Only time will tell if this vaccine that are now available to fight covid-19 is a solution without any side
effects in coming years for those who will allow to take it.

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I agree with the finding of the COVID-19 vaccine that can create economic growth. Several countries are trying to do a vaccine trial
against it some volunteers. Hopefully the results are satisfactory and valid, then they can be produced in large quantities. But if
I am was offered a volunteer to get injection with trial vaccine for free I would refuse, not because it's free, but because it's related
side effects of the sample vaccine. I am not among those who dare to take risks with chemicals, such as a vaccine.

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Quote from: Genemind on August 15, 2020, 10:27:04 PM

Most vaccines and medicine are up for trial and error. There are no other means for scientists to know if it will not be tested. Honestly, I am not willing to try something that might give complications to my body in the future. However, having a vaccine for COVID-19 is a big step for each country. We all know how devastated the economy became since the pandemic started. People might be able to get back to their normal lives and drastically the economy will recover.

To my knowledge, from different news in my country, there are 4 vaccines that have entered the mass trial stage around the world, namely Sinovac, Cansino, Moderna & Oxford. The one being piloted in my country is Sinovac. The corona vaccine is still in the trial phase but in the third stage of the corona vaccine, which is usually compared with similar vaccines that are already available. Because there is no Covid vaccine that has been circulated, then this third stage is likely to be passed by reason of a health emergency.

As for the corona drug, many have found that in China there are 10 drugs recommended by the Chinese government to treat Covid-19. Brazilian researchers also found a combination of the drug of hydroxychloroquine with the macrolide antibiotic Azithromycin which can 100% cure Covid-19.

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Other countries are only depending on the creation of the vaccine because they can't fight the pandemic anymore. Just like the Philippines, the government is obviously just waiting and depending on the vaccine because if you will look at the current situation, they can't flatten the curve. Rushing the vaccine can be dangerous but in order to see the effectiveness of this vaccine, they need trials and it depends on people whether they join the trial or not. Personally, I won't participate in the trials and I will just wait until it is proven safe for the majority. For now, the best thing to do while waiting is to be cautious and always wash our hands.

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If that happens and after we got injected with that vaccine, we really don't know its side effect.

Probably it can affect our daily living even our health, like what you've said, we need more time to test the effectiveness of the vaccine for Covid-19. If this vaccine was found not effective for a long run then it can worsen our situation in this Covid-19 pandemic. This can also increase our inconvenience when it comes to operating businesses again.
Economic recovery is possible if people cooperated with the government to lessen the rate of transmission of this disease.

It really do need more time before we come back to our normal living, soon, this Covid-19 will just become a normal disease just like AIDS, HIV, and etc.

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If we don't have a history of being exposed to the coronavirus, why are we willing to be injected with the vaccine and even though it's free but still, it would be better to refuse because basically we are still in good health, because it would be better to put those who need it more. There is still a lot of controversy about the vaccine itself due to the lack of clinical trials, but they will still campaign for vaccines, especially for medical workers and teachers. When a vaccine is still not found but the economic growth will still be carried out by implementing a new normal era but indeed, when the vaccine will really be accepted in the world then it is clear, Russia will take the lead from a more significant economic growth, but it is still not a guarantee for now.

Injecting vaccines are not mandatory after all, the health department of my country is finding a persons as a subject to try the vaccine that the russia invented. As of now, I do not heard in the news who became part of the 3rd trial of the vaccine. Even though there is now a vaccine, the economic growth is not yet fast as we thought. It will really take time in order for us to see the recovery of different economies. Millions of lives are been affected and thousands of business are now permanently close because of the pandemic. It is sad because a lot of countries enters recession but it can be fix if the experts conclude that the vaccine is safe.

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People are forgetting that the country that said they found the vaccine is Russia and I seriously do not believe them.

I know that in order for the world to accept it as a vaccine the CDC of USA for example, or whatever your nation has or even WHO might have to accept it as a proper vaccine that could help right?

However how do we know that the ones they are sending out all the same, how do we know that the vaccine they said they found is actually the thing they are doing to you? Maybe there is a a million correct and trustworthy and actually helping people to recover or not get it type of correct vaccines but also another million that is something weird?

I am not an anti-vaccine person, I get that there are morons out there who are against all vaccines, I am just anti-Russia, there is a big difference, the moment UK or USA finds one, I will use it, not Russia or China.

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Quote from: GDragon on August 15, 2020, 09:55:45 AM

Nope, I don't even want to call it vaccine already if its still in phase 3. A lot of vaccines are in phase 3, not only the one in Russia. Its dangerous, that's why it is still in testing phase. I hope people who will get it are volunteers, cause it will destroy the public trust if it has side effects and those people who got it didn't even want it in the first place. I've read that one side effect is ADE, which make an illness worse.

of course it has to be tested otherwise how do we know if the vaccine is working, and also every side effect of the drug is mostly negative although some is not on a large scale.
at least the vaccine created makes hope that this virus can be fought.

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Most vaccines and medicine are up for trial and error. There are no other means for scientists to know if it will not be tested. Honestly, I am not willing to try something that might give complications to my body in the future. However, having a vaccine for COVID-19 is a big step for each country. We all know how devastated the economy became since the pandemic started. People might be able to get back to their normal lives and drastically the economy will recover.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

No, I am not willing to do it. Because we have an issue in our country where there is a free vaccine distributed to different part of our country, after a few years, a lot of children losing their life because of the said vaccine. They have become the victim as the test subject for that vaccine.

It depends on every country. The government itself will be the one to handle it. It is their job, so, the outcome will depend on how they will solve this issue.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

Seem like I won't do that, there will be many effect for my body and it could make me die if there is something bad happen. I decided to be a day trader and I have resigned from my real job so as I will just stay at home and never go outside until the situation is safe and the vaccine completely safe for human being.

Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?
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That is the government's job, if they still dragged on in this problem, sooner or later the country will experience many crises, especially the financial crisis. But they won't let it happen, until now they always trying to build the economic back and make another stimulus to make their economic better.

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They are quick to have that vaccine and even pronounced to be the first vaccine but later, corrected that it's still on the last clinical trial phase. 1st quarter of 2021 could be the quickest timeframe for the actual vaccine.

We have modern technology so it's quicker this time, the 5 years or more timeframe for the creation of a vaccine is way quicker due to the upgrade of technology. It's safe to say that by next year we'll have various COVID-19 manufactured and made by several pharmaceutical companies.

And if I'm asked to volunteer, I wouldn't. Whilst the mass production of vaccine and proven to be effective, everything will turn back to normal and businesses will comeback just like the usual days.

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Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

Now, if the trial of this vaccine will come to your place and ask you to get injected by the vaccine for free would you do it? or not?

Yes, why not? What's the least we can do? Are we just going to just look at each other getting infected by the virus? Or we're going to make a step forward and discover some vaccine to eradicate this pandemic.
We'll all gonna die anyway, If you don't die with Covid or the vaccine, sure you'll die to something not related with Covid.
I don't question the vax that will be developed in this dire situation, sure everything has undergone a thorough process before implementing clinical trials. In fact,
Most of the medicines like Anti-biotics that will be injected to your body all have long term effect to your body and so does the vax.

Quote from: erikoy on August 15, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

If it could be proven effective what do you think about the economy of all country which will going to lead now in the economic growth?

Obviously, a big resounding YES.
Lives, Businesses, Physical classes, transportation, stocks, production, and etc. All back to their normal pace.
But who ever developed a legit vax first will surely have their economy recover back rapidly.

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No, I will not get any members of my family get involve with the vaccine for it is still be needing a study of the possible effect to human. This could be agitate and I think it would be awful carrying vaccine inside the body knowing the possible effect and that could be life threatining. I will just going to wait for some time before getting injected with the vaccine.

Economy growth will depend on every country. I guess the fastest economic growth will goes to food production. This is somehow tha had been deppreciating due to constant consumption with lesser people doing to supply due to the pandemic.

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