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AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key
May 04, 2016, 12:26:24 AM
#53
You are clearly delusional.

The GavinworksforCIA conspiracy theories are worse than flatearthers. It doesn't hold up to logic in the slightest.

Are you getting paid to spout this drivel?

I'm not delusional at all. Gavin visited the CIA. That's a fact. Announcing it openly is not making it any better, because the meeting itself was not open to the public. All we "know" about the meeting, is what Gavin told us. And apparently Gavin has no problem with signing NDAs, when he expects personal advantages from it.

Ask yourself: Would Satoshi have visited the CIA on invitation? No! In fact, he disappeared the moment Gavin shook hands with the agency.

Speaking about conspiracy theories: Never heard about the Snowden revelations? The government spies on and tries to manipulate people anytime when it sees the necessity. And Bitcoin certainly is a threat to the established order...

ya.ya.yo!

Agree. At one point (Wikileaks/Manning) Bitcoin must have been classified a national security thing. This changes a lot and opens up a big budget.
Also 1 Billion Dollar in Bitcoin can be a motive for some to commit murder. If somebody knew Kleiman was Satoshi, he could have come up with this idea.
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 06:37:22 PM
#52
You are clearly delusional.

The GavinworksforCIA conspiracy theories are worse than flatearthers. It doesn't hold up to logic in the slightest.

Are you getting paid to spout this drivel?

I'm not delusional at all. Gavin visited the CIA. That's a fact. Announcing it openly is not making it any better, because the meeting itself was not open to the public. All we "know" about the meeting, is what Gavin told us. And apparently Gavin has no problem with signing NDAs, when he expects personal advantages from it.

Ask yourself: Would Satoshi have visited the CIA on invitation? No! In fact, he disappeared the moment Gavin shook hands with the agency.

Speaking about conspiracy theories: Never heard about the Snowden revelations? The government spies on and tries to manipulate people anytime when it sees the necessity. And Bitcoin certainly is a threat to the established order...

ya.ya.yo!
hero member
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May 03, 2016, 12:40:31 PM
#51

For those of you who are struggling with BBC player check out gavin interview on youtube, he is convinced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1f5Ms5heMM
sr. member
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May 03, 2016, 12:32:03 PM
#50
I dont think there was any plot here, i think this is just a case of gaving being easily misled which is not very good either. He of all people should be aware of things like this happening . I do also wonder if Craig wright did actually know the real satoshi.
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
#49
Gavin has been very badly used, and continues to be used.  I wonder how he'll avenge himself. 

So was Matonis, but I think he's a lawyer (?), so nobody cares.

This guy Wright is sliding down the sociopath spectrum in the wrong direction. 
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 10:26:03 AM
#48
also craig wright and gavin andresen just lost all of their credibility forever

Absolutely. You have to consider the fact that this "news" was released during a conference where Gavin was advertising his big-block altcoin scheme. It is clearly thinkable that he wanted to improve his negotiating position by sacking in the merits of having participated in the "discovery" of Satoshi.

Luckily that backfired. Hopefully his commit access to Bitcoin Core will never be restored.

Also one has to ask, if Gavin was willing to sign an NDA in this case, what other NDA's he may have signed...

ya.ya.yo!
Eh it might be restored, I think there will be debate but definitely there is much less trust. Gavin was never really trustworthy in the first place, wasn't he the reason Satoshi went into hiding? Trying to get him to meet the CIA with him?

I agree. I lost my trust in Gavin a long time ago, after he announced meeting the CIA and shortly after releasing his plans for The Bitcoin Foundation (maybe even the result of his engagement with the CIA). I'm now pretty sure that Gavin was/is influenced by governmental organizations to push an agenda for Bitcoin that allows them to control nodes and transaction flow.

Luckily that has failed until now, thanks to the more ethical Core developers. Btw. Gavin is the only developer (apart from his more extreme rage-quitting fellow Mike Hearn) that constantly tried to extent his power over Core development by introducing himself as the chosen one true Satoshi disciple via frequent media appearances, while other developers had more than equal eligibility to do so, but did not.

ya.ya.yo!

You are clearly delusional.

The GavinworksforCIA conspiracy theories are worse than flatearthers. It doesn't hold up to logic in the slightest.

Are you getting paid to spout this drivel?
sr. member
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May 03, 2016, 10:13:17 AM
#47
Gavin certainly has less power now than he would have if he was lead dev.  If he wants to be able to influence Bitcoin, then giving up that position was a poor move (purely from a strategic point).

Many who just keep telling "Gavin want take more power" forgot the reality he is the one who gave his power to others voluntarily. So he is very unlikely to want more power, he just have such mentality to try explain his views publictly in his blogs etc., and even helping to create Bitcoin clients incorporating his views - nothing wrong with that at all.
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 09:33:29 AM
#46
also craig wright and gavin andresen just lost all of their credibility forever

Absolutely. You have to consider the fact that this "news" was released during a conference where Gavin was advertising his big-block altcoin scheme. It is clearly thinkable that he wanted to improve his negotiating position by sacking in the merits of having participated in the "discovery" of Satoshi.

Luckily that backfired. Hopefully his commit access to Bitcoin Core will never be restored.

Also one has to ask, if Gavin was willing to sign an NDA in this case, what other NDA's he may have signed...

ya.ya.yo!
Eh it might be restored, I think there will be debate but definitely there is much less trust. Gavin was never really trustworthy in the first place, wasn't he the reason Satoshi went into hiding? Trying to get him to meet the CIA with him?

I agree. I lost my trust in Gavin a long time ago, after he announced meeting the CIA and shortly after releasing his plans for The Bitcoin Foundation (maybe even the result of his engagement with the CIA). I'm now pretty sure that Gavin was/is influenced by governmental organizations to push an agenda for Bitcoin that allows them to control nodes and transaction flow.

Luckily that has failed until now, thanks to the more ethical Core developers. Btw. Gavin is the only developer (apart from his more extreme rage-quitting fellow Mike Hearn) that constantly tried to extent his power over Core development by introducing himself as the chosen one true Satoshi disciple via frequent media appearances, while other developers had more than equal eligibility to do so, but did not.

ya.ya.yo!
sr. member
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May 03, 2016, 09:32:11 AM
#45
I saw this guy yesterday on the news and he was claiming that he is the inventor of the Bitcoin. It is hard to belive because why does he suddenly come out out of nowhere.
It does not matter to me that much if he is the inventor good for him.
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 08:54:24 AM
#44
also craig wright and gavin andresen just lost all of their credibility forever

Absolutely. You have to consider the fact that this "news" was released during a conference where Gavin was advertising his big-block altcoin scheme. It is clearly thinkable that he wanted to improve his negotiating position by sacking in the merits of having participated in the "discovery" of Satoshi.

Luckily that backfired. Hopefully his commit access to Bitcoin Core will never be restored.

Also one has to ask, if Gavin was willing to sign an NDA in this case, what other NDA's he may have signed...

ya.ya.yo!
sr. member
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May 03, 2016, 08:44:43 AM
#43
Why would he come with this information right now this time besides everyone who has the coins
has them for years.
Why does he want the credits to be the owner of it
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 05:38:06 AM
#42
No he couldn't-- the comment betrays a misunderstanding of how Bitcoin and open source development works.  "Lead dev" is not a position of authority, and if he wanted to push in a direction the contributors didn't agree with, he'd find himself where he is now, regardless of what happened there...

I don't think opposition to big blocks would be unanimous and the lead dev gets to break a tie-break.

If his decision was bad enough, then the devs who disagreed with him could fork the client.

The miners seem to be taking a policy that they want to stay with core.  I think this is to a combination of encouraging stability and confidence in the technical expertise of the core team.

This gives the core team significant power in practice, since a fork has to convince the miners that they should be considered the main development team.

Gavin certainly has less power now than he would have if he was lead dev.  If he wants to be able to influence Bitcoin, then giving up that position was a poor move (purely from a strategic point).
sr. member
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May 03, 2016, 03:26:00 AM
#41
You know what I think?

It's a lot more likely that this is a plot by Anti-Gavin and possibly anti-bigger blocks people than it is a plot by Gavin.

Just think about it, Gavin isn't stupid enough to think he can fool all of the other crypto experts. And why would he put his whole reputation on the line? There must've been other things he would've done.


On the other hand, if this was a plot by the anti-Gavin faction, it actually makes sense.

1. If Gavin realized the "tricks" Craig used (we're assuming Craig is a fake here), nothing would happen. No one would care. He would just be seen as a fake, no one takes any reputation hit.

2. Gavin took the bait, and now he makes a fool of himself, ruining his reputation.

See, in any scenario, the anti-Gavin faction can't lose.



(for the record I think it's just an elaborate hoax by craig, I don't think (at least I hope) there aren't malicious manipulators behind this. But the Gavin accusations are just ridiculous, in my opinion)
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 03:11:19 AM
#40
the message he released was:
MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=


what are you missing?.. well:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4hflr3/craig_wrights_signature_is_worthless/

here it is explained better

Find first transaction by Satoshi in 2009 :
https://blockchain.info/tx/828ef3b079f9c23829c56fe86e85b4a69d9e06e5b54ea597eef5fb3ffef509fe?show_adv=true

Convert inputscript from hex:
3045022100c12a7d54972f26d14cb311339b5122f8c187417dde1e8efb6841f55c34220ae002206 6632c5cd4161efa3a2837764eee9eb84975dd54c2de2865e9752585c53e7cce

to base64
MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=

(thats it, you done pretty much the only thing that craig done (remember no private key was used with what u just done. nor SHA, nor ECDSA)

this is a 7 year old signature of the transaction encrypted using the private key for: 12cbQLTFMXRnSzktFkuoG3eHoMeFtpTu3S 7 years ago
emphasis: the data is the transaction data(not a personal message).. that is 7 years old!! and publicly available

if he was to sign a message today! the signature, even when signed with the same private key would be completely different
emphasis: signing "my name is bob" would result in a different signature than "My Name Is Bob" even when both messages are signed with the same private key.

so if you see him display:
MEUCIQDBKn1Uly8m0UyzETObUSL4wYdBfd4ejvtoQfVcNCIK4AIgZmMsXNQWHvo6KDd2Tu6euEl13VT C3ihl6XUlhcU+fM4=

he is not signing anything new. he is just literally copying and pasting a 7 year old message(tx) that was signed 7years ago

Good. This was the only thing I needed to cut off all these bullshit around this new story. My question is always why now and why this way?
That is not clear to me right now. Thanks anyway
legendary
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May 03, 2016, 02:09:57 AM
#39
Hogwash. 

A.  Gavin has no idea who the original Satoshi is and couldn't have flipped him.

B.  Satoshi knows Gavin has no idea who Satoshi is and has no fear of being flipped.

C.  Gavin has no leverage over Satoshi and couldn't get him to do shit if he didn't want to.

E.  Satoshi's Opsec was flawless, but one flaw is all it takes.  It is very difficult to maintain flawless opsec, and very dangerous to risk further action or communication which might break it, especially now when the situation is under much more intense scrutiny than ever before.  Satoshi has no compelling reason to take that risk.  No message Gavin could possibly send would result in Satoshi's risking his opsec to become vulnerable.

D.  Getting to Gavin is therefore completely useless to Los Federales if their goal is getting to Satoshi.


AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key
May 03, 2016, 01:54:52 AM
#38
I somewhere read this idea of Gavin started to be inconsistent as a cry for help or to send a secret message to community. This idea is not so bad, not so bad indeed.

If you had two guys conspiring to do something illegal and one of them got busted by the police and flipped to catch the other one. How could he warn his buddy, knowing that the police will hear every word and read every line? Right, he could tell inconsistent stuff - not too much to catch attention, but enough to send a secret warning. This would bring in a new and interesting meta level.
AGD
legendary
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Keeper of the Private Key
May 03, 2016, 01:46:59 AM
#37
Quick question — can someone please tell me what has happened to Gavin. When I first discovered Bitcoin,  this guy was a worshipped God, now,  he's an outlaw??

He sold his soul to the devil, like rihanna and beyonce

Wouldn't you do the same if you had a barrel of a gun in your mouth?
hero member
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May 02, 2016, 09:51:54 PM
#36
Quick question — can someone please tell me what has happened to Gavin. When I first discovered Bitcoin,  this guy was a worshipped God, now,  he's an outlaw??

He sold his soul to the devil, like rihanna and beyonce
legendary
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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.
May 02, 2016, 09:48:09 PM
#35
Quick question — can someone please tell me what has happened to Gavin. When I first discovered Bitcoin,  this guy was a worshipped God, now,  he's an outlaw??

easily paid off to say what is needed

LOL. Gavin has lots of coins. He actually had so much he managed to give away 10,000 BTC via the faucet he set up back in the day to promote bitcoin (which was dispensing 1BTC a go).

Yeah, it was pretty sweet. I still got more than 20 of Gavin's coins. I guess gavy baby never really thought Bitcoin would amount to much or he wouldn't have been so reckless. I've never really understood why anyone cares who made Bitcoin. I don't know the person that made my microwave but that's not going to stop me from using it or understanding that it works.
legendary
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A Great Time to Start Something!
May 02, 2016, 09:34:10 PM
#34
Simple:

1. Bradley Manning came out with these brutal helicopter videos and Wikileaks published them
2. USG tried desperately to dry out Wikileaks by closing their Paypal account which was used for donations
3. Wikileaks decided to accept Bitcoin instead
4. USG first heard about Bitcoin and was pretty angry about this "Bitcoin thing" and how it can be worth more than a Dollar and infiltrate their power
5. They found out about the Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto and used their NSA surveillance program to find the real person responsible for this Bitcoin mess
6. CIA visited Satoshi in person and made clear, that the Dollar is here to stay and Bitcoin has to leave and they made him an offer. Satoshi refused and was terminated without revealing his private keys
7. CIA invites Gavin as being the number 2 on the list. Gavin agrees and he was flipped to take control over the Bitcoin protocol (edit: they probably have shown a picture of Satoshi after termination to convince Gavin pretty quick)
8. After various attempts to fork Bitcoin, he lost his good reputation, but he is there between a rock and a hard place

Jus my tree fiddy

That's worth "tree fiddy" and a Big Wow.
Sorry to hear the real Satoshi could have been murdered by the CIA/NSA, but your story is possible.


























...but he is there between a rock and a hard place.

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