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Quote from: PrinceVisser on May 09, 2022, 07:59:17 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Crash has more algorithms and mathematics involved in it than you can possibly imagine and no one will change that.

Also the new ideas presented favor the gamblers and less favorable for the gambling site so they won't be implemented. By lower the house edge and introduction PVP for crash games is not feasible for the gambling casino , so i don't see any reason why they will implement these proposed changes and put a dent on their earnings.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 10, 2022, 04:29:09 AM

I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something.

Sure, you can ask around, but, I think the best way to figure something out is to figure it out yourself. Just wrap your head around the problem for a day, a week, a month and THEN, if you still don't have an answer, ask around for help.

Do you really believe that there would be someone will really be helping out in regards to this new idea kind of question? No one for sure yet they do know that on this industry they would really be tending

to be the first thats why its really hard to believe on that there would be someone will really be telling you with some new ideas.You wont really be having any choice but to think up on your own

and dont rely nor depend if they would be answering out on the help that you are seeking considering that competition is really high.

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Quote from: FatFork on May 10, 2022, 03:32:24 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 09, 2022, 11:50:41 PM

In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy,but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested.

But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long.

Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll.

I very much agree with what the PVP option is and if you are right about Duelbits, therefore if they consider having PVP for their games I think it will make it a greater attraction, particularly when there are PVP games the first thing I think is that I have more chance to win than to play against the house, then if the problem lies in the traffic and that there are more participants for the PVP, you could think of doing more publicity on social networks, and thus little by little you can reach all those players who They are looking for opportunities with PVP games and more in casinos, be it poker or any game.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 10, 2022, 04:29:09 AM

I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something.

Sure, you can ask around, but, I think the best way to figure something out is to figure it out yourself. Just wrap your head around the problem for a day, a week, a month and THEN, if you still don't have an answer, ask around for help.

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Quote from: FatFork on May 10, 2022, 03:32:24 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 09, 2022, 11:50:41 PM

In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested.

But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long.

Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll.

thanks for your advice！
PvP game has a lot of questions , just like u said , AI robots ,cheating ,so , i think 1v1 is the first step!
I really dislike people that they always think the result right now is the best choice!
I like to ask for some good answers . It’s the best way to figure out something.
So right now, we have know that , pvp is not good enough for casino to make money ,also Take winner’s profits 1~5% in limit time as fee is not good for casino owner too, change a gambling website into a pure white label ,not provide real money service ,its all stupid minds. But as a player, everybody knows its better for them that if these all be ture!

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Quote from: seagullx on May 09, 2022, 11:50:41 PM

In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

People frequently ask for more PvP games, and we've had similar questions before... There are numerous topics on the subject. I suggest you search around on the forum if you are interested.

But, there's a reason why PvP skill games are not as popular as slots (and other games of chance) in online casinos. There has to be a lot of players online for a PVP games to fill the rooms, there is a problem with betting amounts matchmaking, so a special algorithm must be implemented, there has to be a way to deal with fake accounts and bots... And the list goes on. That's why you won't find many PvP gambling platforms online, and PvP games are a minority, as they can't keep players' interest for long.

Therefore, maybe adding PvP is a good idea for a casino once they have lots of players, but I don't think it's the best way to get started. For example, Duelbits casino began as a simple PvP gaming site, but has since evolved into a full-fledged crypto casino that offers live games, slots, blackjack, and a host of other casino games. They still offer a PvP gambling experience, however. You should try Dice Duels, which is basically a dice game, but you are competing with other players, and the winner is the player with the highest roll.

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First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

Seems like a dumb idea to me.
What if the users create multiple accounts by using VPNs or residential proxies,so that they could bypass this rule?Spending more resources to implement this "time limit" rule and trying to stop the players from bypassing it and exploiting the crypto casino would make the entire business model unprofitable.
Crash games simply work,I'm not a big fan of crash games,but they work.If something works,why bother changing it?Such changes would make the crash games less desirable by the gamblers and the crypto casinos would lose money.

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 09, 2022, 10:24:04 PM

It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works.

This seems to me to be the most important thing:

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino.

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that.

When i am a poker player and learn about it everyday , i find this game real meaning is that we can’t discuss the process by result ! You need to build your poker knowledge then push it down and forget it , setup new strategy for different people!
In this case, to everybody, casino is our enemy，but the game is casino is good, fair , interesting !
If we could to turn it into pvp game, I don’t know, will people like it more?

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Quote from: Poker Player on May 09, 2022, 10:24:04 PM

It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works.

This seems to me to be the most important thing:

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino.

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that.

In my plan , this white label casino don’t need to attract people, its the club’s owner bussiness
0house-edge is step 1, pvp crypto games is step2 , think about it please , we could play crash 1v1 just like poker heads-up, its real fair game !

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It seems to me that the OP thinks he has thought of a cool idea but neither is it cool nor does he seem to have much idea of how a casino and HE works.

This seems to me to be the most important thing:

Quote from: dothebeats on May 06, 2022, 03:08:14 AM

Two things: casino will go bust or casino will die due to lack of players. Why take a share of the winnings of the players if you already have some house-edge setup? Your casino operators are not the government to tax players of their gains lol. They shouldn't be collecting a share of the players' wins just to make some profit. A very bad business model I should say. The casino will go bust very easily and the players will not be attracted to play at all.

I too see that his idea of changing the HE by taking money from the player out of his profits would not work. And he doesn't talk about costs of operating a casino.

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

I don't know what experience you will have, I think you are talking about ideas, not experience. If you have to build a new casino it has costs, and even if you have already built it, it has maintenance and advertising costs to attract people to it. Also to make the players that go there come back has costs in terms of promotions and so on. When you think about the HE or what you want to take out of the profits, think that with a low percentage you will only cover the costs or not even that.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?

According to me, No casino's owner will do this.
It's the general policy of all the gambling site to charge a certain percentage and in my life I have never witnessed such a site who take 0% house edge.
You forgot the term "The house always wins"? This is due to the house edge charged by the gambling site owners for which they were able to make good profits.
And yes the games aren't controlled by the gambling site owner, so it would be really difficult for them to create a complex code to host games in private rooms.
I would really appreciate if all the gambling sites reduce their house edge to something similar to 0.5%, this will encourage more gamblers to place more bets.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 08, 2022, 03:00:35 AM

But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

I think you're in the wrong area if you're looking for something creative? or even pvp based even. Yes, there's games like poker and blackjack that lets you play against other players, but most of the time casinos revolve around trying to get lucky on an algorithm, pretty much just like how poker really is, just that there are multiple of you in one instance. If you were looking for pvp competitions I'd suggest moving on to fps, mobas, etc, basically any other type of game out there that does not rely on luck, but rather pure skill. And by skill, I mean mechanical skill, not the mind play games stuff that happens in poker tables.

I just want to discuss these ideas with you, Didn't mean to offend！

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Quote from: seagullx on May 08, 2022, 03:00:35 AM

But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

I think you're in the wrong area if you're looking for something creative? or even pvp based even. Yes, there's games like poker and blackjack that lets you play against other players, but most of the time casinos revolve around trying to get lucky on an algorithm, pretty much just like how poker really is, just that there are multiple of you in one instance. If you were looking for pvp competitions I'd suggest moving on to fps, mobas, etc, basically any other type of game out there that does not rely on luck, but rather pure skill. And by skill, I mean mechanical skill, not the mind play games stuff that happens in poker tables.

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

1:We all know it’s house edge :1%
2:This game you access any gambling website , its always auto run there .

How to change it ? Or could we change it different?

1: we make the house edge 0% or just 0.1%?
Could we change the house edge or not? In my experience i think its gone be ok!

2:How to make money as the casino owner?
First , you can control the game time！
you could choose to open a new game anytime，and control the game time like 30mins or 1hour， why do that？ you could take the winner profits 1～5% as fee
its like， i join your game room ，play the crash，the game is 0 edge to me but just in 30mins or 1hour，i don’t know i will win or not , if i win , maybe 100 usd, i will pay u 1~5 usd as fee , i think its ok , If i lose 100usd,i think the game is fair to me , i just lose to the 0 edge game, that ok right?

3: if as a player , you think its not fair about the hash , you could choose to different seeds game room

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Crash has more algorithms and mathematics involved in it than you can possibly imagine and no one will change that.

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Quote from: ajochems on May 07, 2022, 06:19:00 PM

Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino.

Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits.

I hope everyone could to be the owner of a small casino (club)

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Quote from: ajochems on May 07, 2022, 06:19:00 PM

Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

Because, the hard part is always profitable at the end. The hard part is only hard at first but once you learn how to grasp things, you will not feel that it was hard anymore but you will only enjoy the benefits. Not all wants to become a gambler or a player but some have a higher ambition than that, they want to be a businessman in the form of creating their own casino.

Online crypto casinos are in demand these days, that is why many are interested on building their own platforms. Being a casino player is indeed easy and stress free but do you think you can win as much as you like? I believe no but it was the casino that always win and the expense are going to be nothing if the casino is earning massive profits.

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Quote from: ajochems on May 07, 2022, 06:19:00 PM

Why you are choosing the hard part of the game.Which is act like a owner of the casino.The easiest part of the gambling or casino is player.The player will easily win or loss in the game.But the casino owner need to pay the feees to the developers.The owner had to pay the person who working and marketing.

You know that the game you take as hard will be easiest game for another person. i dont know for you but what i know best is that before some body will go along with game may be another person have enlightened it about the game and is the point why it like to play and experience how tough is the game

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Quote from: seagullx on May 08, 2022, 03:00:35 AM

But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

Looks like you aren't that into gambling. Perhaps you should have chosen a different topic to discuss. If you're not comfortable in the topic, you shouldn't have commented on it.

If you think casino games are boring, how about sports betting? Do you enjoy watching any sporting events? Whatever it is, there must be a market for it. The options are endless!

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Quote from: Mauser on May 08, 2022, 02:50:35 AM

Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5.

Of course you are right !
The most important is nobody think that’s good idea for casino,i didn’t meant that they are looking too short-sighted
But , when i access a new gambling website , i just feel :”boring!”
Everything is same , no creatives !no pvp competition, like the mummy！

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Quote from: seagullx on May 06, 2022, 01:16:32 AM

I just want know the calculation of these new ways ，good or not？

thanks everyone‘s answers！

Not really sure how to make calculations on this, because limiting times for games on casinos depends a lot where the most customers come from and which time will be available to play for them. Casinos operate internationally and the games run 24 hours a day, there will be gamblers coming from America, Europe and from Asia. To find a time slot that works all around the world seems a bit hard. I would expect most gamblers to play in the evening, so when have the games run in the evening in Europe, it will be night in Asia and morning in America. Having a flat fee for games makes the earnings much more predictable for casino, especially if the fee is not related to the betting size. If every gambler has to pay $5 and the house edge is 0 than the casino will likely not make any money from the games itself. After a few month of crash games the profit will equal to the fee. But with a house edge of 1% the casino should be doing better because more games will be run over the day and the casino profits of larger wages that will return more than $5.

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