Creating فارسی (Persian) Sub-Board under Local Board

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Quote from: zhazho on September 29, 2021, 10:46:04 AM

As you know Perian is RTL, while it is a completely different language, Imagine both french and English are LTR, but they are different languages.

Yes, I do know that. Just to be clear, I never implied that Farsi is the same as the languages that are being used in the local sub-boards that I've linked previously!

Quote from: zhazho on September 29, 2021, 10:46:04 AM

I firmly believe by Creating a subboard for Persian, which may translate the role and also the other trending topic we can improve this from at all.
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By creating a subboard we can provide content and information in Persian and covering the problem they have with English speaking. And by providing facts we can transfer data that are correct.

You have a point, but you don't need a sub-board to kick-start that process ^{[I do know sooner or later, it'll become a mess but AFAIK, no one has received special treatment when it comes to the creation of local boards]}.

Quote from: pooya87 on September 30, 2021, 12:56:41 AM

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Surprisingly enough it only affects Farsi not Arabic.
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You're right... I don't know much about such stuff, but if I were to guess, I would say @theymos probably added a "BiDi support ^{[bidirectional script support or something similar]}" to the above local sub-boards in comparison to what Persian speaking users experience in their local thread ^{[I could be wrong, so don't quote me on this one]}.

As a workaround, perhaps it's best to just use English "letters" to write in Farsi:

e.g.
- Quote from: Johnsalla on November 15, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
  Salam khedmate hamegi,
- Quote from: ?? on ??
  slm mnm az iranm yeki az miner ham kharab shode nmitunm bit coin estekhraj konm bash tamir kar soraq darid?

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Quote from: SFR10 on September 19, 2021, 08:49:11 AM

That's not going to be an issue in this forum; we already have the following sub-boards that use RTL text:

Surprisingly it is somewhat broken for Farsi! You see text/paragraph alignment is not enough, the text direction has to be changed otherwise user has to manually change the "paragraph alignment" to "Right Align" like the line below:

Example of paragraph right alignment

And if they include any English words, the sentence will be broken.

Surprisingly enough it only affects Farsi not Arabic.
Arabic example from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/usdt-5346647:

Farsi example from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57940515:
The correct sentence should be like this:

It also doesn't support Arabic numbers either, they show up as roman.

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Quote from: SFR10 on September 19, 2021, 08:49:11 AM

That's not going to be an issue in this forum; we already have the following sub-boards that use RTL text:

I'm just going to leave a post that I made back in 2018 as a reference to why @theymos will not create a Persian sub-board anytime soon ^{[I believe it's still accurate for the most part]}:

Dear SFR10,
As you know Perian is RTL, while it is a completely different language, Imagine both french and English are LTR, but they are different languages. As a person who spent the past years in Iran, I see that cryptocurrency is a common topic in Iran. Due to a lack of English speaking, they are not able to read other English topics. I firmly believe by Creating a subboard for Persian, which may translate the role and also the other trending topic we can improve this from at all. Imagine there are over 120 M Persian speakers around the world.
Also, there are huge farms in Iran.

As I already mention the main problem is that Iranian are not familiar with English. In Persian blogs by misinforming, they have undermined trust in the decentralized concept.

By creating a subboard we can provide content and information in Persian and covering the problem they have with English speaking. And by providing facts we can transfer data that are correct.

Links:
1: Persian speakers:
https://aspirantum.com/blog/all-you-need-to-know-about-persian-language#:~:text=Persian%20%2D%20or%20Farsi%20%2D%20is%20spoken,Middle%20East%20along%20with%20Arabic.

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Quote from: aliashraf on September 18, 2021, 01:24:54 PM

because of the strict need for RTL (bidirectional text i/o) support.
Without this feature, I'm afraid it wouldn't hold enough water, because the majority of its active users would be non-technical members who care about UI and ease of use,

That's not going to be an issue in this forum; we already have the following sub-boards that use RTL text:

I'm just going to leave a post that I made back in 2018 as a reference to why @theymos will not create a Persian sub-board anytime soon ^{[I believe it's still accurate for the most part]}:

Quote from: SFR10 on January 27, 2018, 02:51:57 AM
Based on the "last created local board, through a request", it appears the activity is still not that high in order for it to be considered.
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A month prior to their request, they had a thread activity of 173 pages just for that period.

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Quote from: Soheil Nikzad on August 17, 2021, 04:45:54 PM

I'm not sure if it helps Persian speakers to learn bitcoin more efficiently or not? But I recognized that they seriously want it.

Why do you personally want it? This is literally your first post on this forum. You haven't contributed anything in the Persian thread.

Honestly, I don't see it happening. I just took a look at your local thread and pages 30 and 31 contain everything you wrote in 2021. With 20 posts per page, you didn't even write 40 posts in January-September of 2021. There are many other languages who deserve a local board before you do. The Nigerians requested one and have still not gotten their wish granted. Use their local thread as a comparison with your own to calculate your odds. I don't think they look good.

aliashraf

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Obviously, I support the idea of having a Persian sub-board, but it doesn't look to be a trivial job for the forum moderators and staff, because of the strict need for RTL (bidirectional text i/o) support.
Without this feature, I'm afraid it wouldn't hold enough water, because the majority of its active users would be non-technical members who care about UI and ease of use, ways more than technical folks who typically are not expected to be much of an active poster/reviewer in such a board.

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Hi,

I am an old member of bitcointalk and Iranian Crypto community.

I strongly support creating a sub-board for Persian speaking people.

I see a big demand for it, but because of current single Persian thread, the demand is distributed to several less important social networks and forums.

I think once bitcointalk allow Persian sub-board we as members of Iran blockchain association can support it to generate valuable content.

Just let me know how to proceed ebi, once the process is near final.

Regards,
Sepehr

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 19, 2021, 03:12:45 AM

Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 18, 2021, 02:31:25 PM

Today we removed about 40 Spam topics from Forum.

Who is "we" in this sentence? You had 18 of your own spam posts removed in the last week alone, so I doubt your ability to remove spam topics.

Dear LoyceV,

Thanks for your reply. I really mean it.

"We" means me and moderators together. Is that correct or not?! We removed about 40 spam posts yesterday from forum. I did not wanted to spam, but wanted to remove spam, just did not knew that I can report them simply in other way!, That is not a big mistake!

Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 18, 2021, 11:42:16 PM

By the way I think we need 10 active and expert cryptocurrency iranian people that wish to transfer they knowledge to others.

Then this forum will be active.

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This forum doesn't care about users' nationalities. They're also free to use the English boards if they can.

Yes, that is a typo from me! I just meant Persian speaking people, not meant their nationality.

I will edit it.

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Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 18, 2021, 02:31:25 PM

Today we removed about 40 Spam topics from Forum.

Who is "we" in this sentence? You had 18 of your own spam posts removed in the last week alone, so I doubt your ability to remove spam topics.

Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 18, 2021, 11:42:16 PM

By the way I think we need 10 active and expert cryptocurrency iranian people that wish to transfer they knowledge to others.

Then this forum will be active.

This forum doesn't care about users' nationalities. They're also free to use the English boards if they can.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 18, 2021, 03:23:42 PM

Also, you broke the rules one more time.
It's not allowed to make multiple posts in a row.

Thanks Hossein!
I got it at last! The problem is that I received several deleted post notice but non of them mentioned why they deleted!
Now after your note, I got it what it means multiple post in a row. Cheesy

You will never see again multiple posts in a row from me.

By the way I think we need 10 active and expert cryptocurrency Persian speaking people that wish to transfer they knowledge to others.

Then this forum will be active.

We have plenty of them.

Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 17, 2021, 03:25:34 AM

Persian population mostly on Iran, which is Bitcoin is not popular and had much adoption, as you can see Iran didn't included in this statistic.

Dear Jawhead999,

Iran is a very complicated country.
So the statistics you provided is totally incorrect.
For your information according to Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumtion Index, %4.64 of all bitcoins is mined in Iran:

https://cbeci.org/mining_map

Also according to a local Report 17% Iranian people have cryptocurrencies:

https://peivast.com/p/99230

So I assure you that the statistics you provided is incorrect and don't count on it.

And just FYI I never break the rules on purpose.

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Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 18, 2021, 02:39:43 PM

Absorb my attention to this topic? or concentrate on the one and one Persian speaking thread in the forum?

As long as the Persian local thread isn't active enough, I don't think anything can be achieved in this thread.

The local thread should become more active in a normal way. If you ask people on social medias to join the forum just to make the local thread more active (as it seems you intend to do it and encourage others to do so), that will probably lead to spam. If there's spam, be sure it will have a negative effect. Note that I'm not saying you shouldn't introduce the forum to others. All new users are welcomed. But it's not a good idea to ask people to register to the forum just to make a thread active while they don't have anything to say. Introduce the forum to others because there are lots of helpful content here, because they can get the answer to their questions, not just because you want the Persian local thread to be active.

There's a so long way to convince theymos to add Persian board. There are some local threads with much more activity that still don't have their separate board.

Also, you broke the rules one more time.
It's not allowed to make multiple posts in a row.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on August 18, 2021, 02:01:14 PM

Even if someone is able to do so, it's not allowed to create a new topic in Persian there.
Persian has its own local thread and anyone who creates a new Persian topic in Other languages/locations board and outside of Persian local thread will be banned.
Click here for more information about the rule.

Thanks Hossein,
You are right!
So what's your idea to have more rich Persian content in forum?
Absorb my attention to this topic? or concentrate on the one and one Persian speaking thread in the forum?

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Quote from: LoyceV on August 18, 2021, 12:01:45 PM

@ebi_javanmard: You should probably check the forum rules, because you're breaking many of the rules.

For instance: don't post 3 (short) posts in a row, only post English on the English boards, and don't spam many topics with the same post. If you think a topic or post breaks the rules, use the Report to moderator link.

Thanks LoyceV,

Today we removed about 40 Spam topics from Forum.
I understand that I am a newbie and not familiar enough with rules.
But once I know the rules, I obey them.
Also you may know that I spent 40*6 min= 240 minute = 4 hours to help to all of us, specially Persian speaking people, to have better forum.

I now know that I could report them, ok next time I will.

But I think forum must be thankful that I invested 4 hours of my time at least on it, and with moderators help we removed so many spam topics from forum.

Next time, I take more care, and I always obey rules, and never break any rules on purpose.

Sincerely yours,
Ebi

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Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 18, 2021, 10:46:25 AM

Have you access to create new topics in Other languages/locations board ?

Because I as a newbie have no access for that, So if you have access can we arrange to create some more important topics for persian community to start?

Even if someone is able to do so, it's not allowed to create a new topic in Persian there.
Persian has its own local thread and anyone who creates a new Persian topic in Other languages/locations board and outside of Persian local thread will be banned.
Click here for more information about the rule.

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@ebi_javanmard: You should probably check the forum rules, because you're breaking many of the rules.

For instance: don't post 3 (short) posts in a row, only post English on the English boards, and don't spam many topics with the same post. If you think a topic or post breaks the rules, use the Report to moderator link.

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Quote from: pooya87 on August 17, 2021, 11:05:41 PM

Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 17, 2021, 03:25:34 AM

Persian population mostly on Iran, which is Bitcoin is not popular and had much adoption, as you can see Iran didn't included in this statistic.

This is not true. Iran may not have the biggest bitcoin adoption but it definitely is not as low as you think. The statistics you quoted is also worthless.
Just to put the adoption into perspective you should know two things. First is that Iran has been experiencing a big inflation over the past couple of years. In simple terms bitcoin's price in IRR when it dumped to the absolute bottom of $3100 in 2018 was the same price in IRR back in 2017 when it was $8400. In other words when if it dropped from $8400 in 2017 to $3100 in 2018 its price remained the same in IRR.
Here is some big numbers:
2017-12: $20000 = 820,000,000 IRR 2020-12: $20000 = 5,440,000,000 IRR
To be fair the price in 2020 coincides with dollar price bubble which would burst in a month and price drops 35% but still you can see the inflation and how bitcoin has been providing an excellent option against the inflation for Iranians.

Second is the sanctions. Iran has been under sanctions for more than 40 years and during most of it Iranian banking system has been cut off from the rest of the world. So when an Iranian wants to make an online payment (like buying a game from Steam) they can't. Bitcoin solved this issue easily since it can not be censored or sanctioned!

درود بر پویای عزیز،

Are you reading persian?

Thanks for your support.

Have you access to create new topics in Other languages/locations board ?

Because I as a newbie have no access for that, So if you have access can we arrange to create some more important topics for persian community to start?

Thanks

Ebi

Quote from: Soheil Nikzad on August 17, 2021, 04:45:54 PM

Dear BitcoinTalk BoardMembers

I'm not sure if it helps Persian speakers to learn bitcoin more efficiently or not? But I recognized that they seriously want it.
So because of their consensus, I want to ask you with all of respect please give Persian speakers community this opportunity to have/handle a separate Persian sub board on bitcointalk.org

Best Wishes

Soheil Nikzad

درود بر سهیل نیکزاد عزیز،

من وقتی ایران بودم و بعدا هم به صورت آنلاین از صحبتهای شما بهره مند بوده ام.

کاش شما هم در شبکه اجتماعی خود از اینکه فارسی زبانان بیشتر در این فروم فعال شوند استقبال کنید.

فالور های شما حتما صحبت شما خیلی برایشان مهم است.

و لطفا بفرمائید چه سرفصل هایی برای فروم راه اندازی کنیم؟

با تشکر
ابراهیم

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on August 17, 2021, 03:25:34 AM

Persian population mostly on Iran, which is Bitcoin is not popular and had much adoption, as you can see Iran didn't included in this statistic.

This is not true. Iran may not have the biggest bitcoin adoption but it definitely is not as low as you think. The statistics you quoted is also worthless.
Just to put the adoption into perspective you should know two things. First is that Iran has been experiencing a big inflation over the past couple of years. In simple terms bitcoin's price in IRR when it dumped to the absolute bottom of $3100 in 2018 was the same price in IRR back in 2017 when it was $8400. In other words when if it dropped from $8400 in 2017 to $3100 in 2018 its price remained the same in IRR.
Here is some big numbers:
2017-12: $20000 = 820,000,000 IRR 2020-12: $20000 = 5,440,000,000 IRR
To be fair the price in 2020 coincides with dollar price bubble which would burst in a month and price drops 35% but still you can see the inflation and how bitcoin has been providing an excellent option against the inflation for Iranians.

Second is the sanctions. Iran has been under sanctions for more than 40 years and during most of it Iranian banking system has been cut off from the rest of the world. So when an Iranian wants to make an online payment (like buying a game from Steam) they can't. Bitcoin solved this issue easily since it can not be censored or sanctioned!

Soheil Nikzad

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Dear BitcoinTalk BoardMembers

I'm not sure if it helps Persian speakers to learn bitcoin more efficiently or not? But I recognized that they seriously want it.
So because of their consensus, I want to ask you with all of respect please give Persian speakers community this opportunity to have/handle a separate Persian sub board on bitcointalk.org

Best Wishes

Soheil Nikzad

Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 16, 2021, 06:05:02 PM

Dear Bitcointalk Board Moderators,

Persian speaking community from Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan and other countries are strength enough to have a separate sub-board on bitcointalk forum.
Here we are unified to show our demand and support from Persian speaking members to create it.

Dear Persian speaking Members,
Please add a post under this topic, and show your demand and support in Persian and/or English.

Thanks,

Ebrahim Javanmard

مدیران محترم بیتکوین تاک،

جامعه فارسی زبانان از ایران و افغانستان و تاجیکستان و کشورهای دیگر، آنقدر قدرتمند هستند که یک زیر صفحه مجزا در انجمن بیتکوین تاک داشته باشند.
اکنون ما متحد شده ایم تا خواسته و پشتیبانی خود را از سوی اعضای فارسی زبان برای ایجاد آن نشان دهیم.

اعضای محترم فارسی زبان،

لطفا پستی در ذیل این سرفصل ایجاد کنید و خواسته و پشتیبانی خود را به زبان فارسی و یا انگلیسی نشان دهید.

با تشکر
ابراهیم جوانمرد

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Quote from: ebi_javanmard on August 17, 2021, 02:33:40 AM

Persian speaking people are mostly located in Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan that sum a total population of 83+31+9= 124M total according to wikipedia.
Turkey speaking countries are turkey and azerbaijan that sum a total popolation of 83+10= 93M total according to wikipedia.

Now this forum have a separate sub-board for Turkey with 93M population but no sub-forum for Persian speaking people!

That is really not fair.

Not all Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan people is speak Persian, 124M total population isn't accurate. It's worth to mention the total population of a countries doesn't have any relation with Bitcoin forum, it's all determined on the activity and Bitcoin users in this forum.

County A has 1.000.000 populations, only 1000 persons interested with Bitcoin, and only 100 persons active in sub board.
Country B has 50.000 populations, but all persons interested with Bitcoin, and 10.000 persons active in sub board.

Of course Country B will have a local board since 10.000 persons has more activity than 100, it's just a example.

Persian population mostly on Iran, which is Bitcoin is not popular and had much adoption, as you can see Iran didn't included in this statistic.

What you need is make the Persian thread has a lot activity first, the chances will be bigger to get the official local board. Anyway don't ever try to spam, burst posting, or whatever to boost the activity, you could got temp banned or the chances will be less.

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Be fair, what can somebody write in a single thread?

Take a look at other threads in Other Languages section. In some of them there are dozens of active members writing hundreds of posts per month, and yet they are still waiting for their own local board, while you don't meet either of those two requirements, at least not yet.

The same thing was with my local board (Croatian); we also had only one thread and we got our own local board after forum staff got convinced that there is enough interest and a real need for our own local board. And same thing happened for every other local board as that's how it works; first you have to show that there is a real need for your own local board, and then go for it and not the other way around.

Even then, it will take some time (probably years) before you get your own local board as those in charge don't wanna make new board just to die out in a year or two, like it happened with quite a few boards already so they want to be absolutely sure that it makes sense to make a new one.

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For example why you just count one thread? what if I aggreagte all persian topics in Other languages/locations board?

Well, do that then, add all that to your first post as an extra argument.

Just my 2 cents as I am not the one who decides on the matter. By the way, I am not against making new boards, on the contrary, I think that at least 2-3 communities deserve their own.

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