Topic: Credit card firm cuts off nation's No. 1 gun store --- for selling guns (Read 2185 times)

If you don't skip every post you will have a window into the mind of how people feel, from both end of the spectrum regarding: guns, state control and lobbies, political donation, respect of contracts, online social mobilization, flow of money without the use of a credit card service, capitalism and bitcoin.

Of course I am not implying you did skip the whole thread

I don't understand what it has to do with credit card? People don't have money so they swipe credit card and rob people?

What I am saying is I wish people, no matter if I agree with their political views or not would apply their belief no matter what, not just when they feel they are in the "opposition views". A simple example are all those clowns dressed up in orange jump suits with a black bag over their heads many times a year reminding people about Gitmo. Just don't become invisible when you man is in power. What you believe should transcend ANY man. Keep at it until the reality you inspire happens or die for it.
The same about people being afraid of an over-prescribed over-medicated society (not just in the USA, by the way, check out the level of anti depressant in France and other EU countries). How come when it is public record the sandy hook school assassin was under prescription, no one cares to do a basic journalist research about that? Why is it so important to get rid of the 2nd Amendment fast, but it is OK to not say anything on the side effects of some drugs on psychopaths? Why no social networked mobilization? What ever happen to kony 2012 by the way? That was massive and VERY IMPORTANT NOW! But a mobilization of that nature and the money behind it to ask the question about chemicals some could take is not social network emergency.

That is my point regarding a company that does its business openly for so long and comparing it with the Bitcoin network: the weak link is not the equation but the human being distorting the laws they swear to uphold or the contract they signed to respect.

If I understand what you are saying, it is that people push agendas rather than look for actual causes and discuss them.

Not so sure about that.  Awareness of the impact of the psychoactive prescribed medications and their implication in mass killings has slowly came into the mainstream.

I'd certainly like to believe that a large number of people seriously interested in improving the world would take heed of actual causes and effects.

Yep. that's the reality of maths Vs the reality of this threads where everyone believes in bitcoin, yet not so much in total freedom (even when people follow the rules).

Should bitcoin be forbidden to be used by the gun stores? And by whom?

The problem with this kind of thinking, interjecting morality into payment streams, is who does the decisions?

You want to have the US's branding of Wikileaks shut it down?  Then what about the opinion of Nigeria?  Russia?  Somalia?

Who says the opinion of the US as to what should be allowed to transact is correct or optimum?  

I could continue, but you get the point.  Wikileaks was around long, long before Manning and nobody cared.

I thought the same for a long time, I live in a country where guns are illegal, and most people think it is a good thing they are, because else we would turn into the US where people shoot each other constantly.
...but are they? Or is that just an opinion they want us to believe?

If they give you a gun, would you start to shoot at people? Or would you only use it if your live depends on it, if you got to defend yourself? For me it would be the second, if I really would want guns to shoot someone for the most stupid reasons, I would have guns. Criminals have guns in countries with tight gun control, nutjobs have guns, the only people who don't have guns, are people like you and me, the ones that would never misuse them anyway.

The US is big and it's pretty normal we hear a lot about firearm incidents, but looking at my own little country, I can recall instantly 3 mass shooting accidents in which one guy was shooting and throwing grenades, another guy ran into a daycare center and started stabbing toddlers with a knife (no gun needed to harm a lot of people), one guy started shooting in a shopping street. If I look at the Netherlands one guy started shooting in a mall, Norway also had a shooting accident,etc...

Making guns legal wouldn't change much imo, we wouldn't turn into maniacal killers and the homicide rates would just stay the same, I don't have guns but I have so many objects in my house that I use daily that could be used as a weapon anytime. Why would a gun make so much difference?

Wikileaks has been branded as a criminal organization. Funding a criminal organization would not be a smart legal move for Visa, and the volume of donations serviced by Visa to WL, compared to the legal risk is negligible, in my opinion.

No one will reply to facts regarding the credit card  abuse mentioned and the drug abuse before you. As long as something goes withing their own agenda anyone even bitcoin lover bunch will move toward the ones with their own agenda.
It is human nature.

This is the name of the store and a flyer of his:
https://i.imgur.com/qvDoWjE.jpg

Again, this was the excuse for stopping doing business with them:

"A subsidiary of Visa, a key Obama campaign donor, that specializes in credit card transactions has abruptly stopped servicing the nation’s largest gun store after four years because the store sells guns, a fact the owners never hid.

Hyatt Gun Shop of Charlotte, N.C., told Secrets that the subsidiary, Authorize.net/CyberSource, simply sent an email to owner Larry Hyatt to announce that it was suddenly breaking off the business relationship. The reason: “The sale of firearms or any similar product.”

***Bitpay don't miss this opportunity. Bitcoin, The Can't Be Stopped Money!***

People (foreigners) often don't realize how much gun control there already is in the US: background checks, CCW permits, other local and state restrictions/prohibitions...
Conversely, many don't know there were no gun laws in the UK before 1920 and it really wasn't an issue.

Even gun culture, which is significant, doesn't directly drive crime. In the West Indies (and much of South America) there is less of a gun culture, yet the murder rates are often much higher than in the US. (The US trend close to the global mean; source: Indexmundi)

The US have a homicide rate of about 5 per 100.000 persons annually. In some states, such as North Dakota, Vermont and Maine (places that often are full of guns and gun owners), it is much lower.
In Jamaica, it is 40 per 100.000 persons.
In Trinidad, it is 35 per 100.000 persons.
In St Lucia, it is 25 per 100.000 persons.
In Brazil, it is 21 per 100.000 persons.
In Honduras, it is 91 per 100.000 persons (!).

And so on. Why highlight the US for problems with human violence? It's global. And if people think white Eurasian types are less prone to homicide, while that can be true, it isn't always. In the Russian Federation the homicide rate is about 11 per 100.000 persons.

Now, back to the original topic. VISA and PayPal cut businesses off for less controversial things than selling guns. You can't even donate to Julian Assange through them, and last I checked, donations to Wikileaks aren't violent or dangerous.

The gun debate is being used as a distraction from the real problem, mental health. As an American I am witnessing this nation slowly lose its mind as individuals one by one lose touch with reality after they have more and more taken from them every day. In addition our medical system tends to dump mental health patients on to the street where they become homeless and often criminals. Additionally psychoactive pharmaceutical drugs are being handed out to everyone like candy whether they need it or not. They are even starting to give MAOIs to TODDLERS now. These types of drugs have been shown to increase suicidal tendencies.

Go back and do some research on all of these mass shootings and examine the perpetrators. All most all of them had mental health issues and were on psychoactive pharmaceuticals during the shootings. Why is this fact not even part of the discussion? Have you even seen this cause of the issue suggested even ONCE on the national news media? Why is this such a secret? I do know pharmaceutical companies buy LOTS of commercial time tho (may cause internal bleeding, rectal failure, irregular heartbeat, drop foot, kidney damage, anxiety, sleeplessness, and gout)

Banning guns to prevent gun violence is like banning drugs to prevent drug abuse. Ultimately this is ignoring the cause and could in fact exacerbate the problem. Tell some one they can't have something and they will try 5 times as hard to get it. Stop attempting to treat the symptoms and treat the cause of the illness, the declining mental health of America.

Was not the United States government created in order to represent the people? Why shouldn't the people be the masters and the government the subject? I think many of you here arguing for gun bans are simply seeking company in the misery of being a subject. After all if I can't be free why do they get to be? Mommy! Daddy! He got more than me! This isn't fair! Take his toy and break it so we are even!

Americans will NEVER, I repeat NEVER give up their guns... that is why Americans are still citizens and most of you here suggesting guns should be banned are subjects in your own countries. The government should fear the people, if it doesn't then criminals will run it for their own benefit and at your expense.

But that's also freedom and liberty.
If you are slim and got attacked by several people, it would be nice to have a gun to defend yourself


The problem is not guns, problems is what people are doing with it, how they use it.

Americans and their guns...

Bunch of crazies if you ask me

Learn the difference.

Ha ha thanks Holiday!

Welcome to capitalism, where one business doesn't have to serve another. I'm surprised you government haters are so upset.

So a business is running for 4 years without an issue and openly stating what it does. The word GUN is part of its business name. An insane dude on meds kills in a school. Then an online campaign runs to shut them down for not other reason they don't like what they do. They broke no laws. The part about them (the CC company) being an obama campaign contributor is a simple after thought. This thread is nothing but propaganda.

No story here. No facebook campaign.
Too bad their name was not Barrilla Pasta Guns & Sauce for a bigger online boycott.

If only it was purple!

A minor can't legally own a gun, I've seen pink red rider BB guns and stuff like that, but parent's cannot buy guns and give them to their kids. They can however take their kids shooting/hunting or whatever while under their parent's supervision, but they can't just hand their kid a gun and say, "here you go, have at it".

If you buy guns online, they don't ship them to you, they ship them to a local gun store, where you have to pick it up, and have the proper background checks done before they will hand it over to you. Before you purchase your first gun, they do a back ground check on you to make sure you aren't a felon, and don't have a history of mental illness. Then in 2-3 weeks after that background check, you can then come in and pick up your gun. I think its like every year or few years you have to renew that background check, but after you have it done, you can just buy and avoid the wait. To own a rifle or shotgun, you must be 18. To own a handgun you must be 21.

This is in the U.S anyway, for people unfamiliar with U.S gun laws. It does vary from state to state a bit, but what I described are the regulations at the federal level. I think its stupid for credit card companies to refuse to do business with a company that is abiding by those laws.