Topic: Crimea - page 45. (Read 156940 times)

I understand what you are saying.
The problem is that you haven't really given the most appropriate example.

To all those question I can say without a moment of doubt.
YES!

And actually their migration of gypsies were the result of political decisions.
Both their massive coming to Romania as slaves and when they gained their freedom and .. during the Ceausescu regime when all started to be a problem.

niothor, read again, please. There is nothing wrong with crimean tatars, it's not about nationality/citizenship/whatever. Some of them have seized a significant part of public lands and won't free it without using law enforcement agencies. It's only about law and only about a some part of tatar population.

Can I get Romanian citizenship while breaking a romanian law? Can I seize 100-200 km2 of romanian land and request a citizenship? Answer is quite obvious, isn't it?

There are significant differences between living on abandoned properties and seizing the thousands of km2 of a public land. Nowhere in the world you can see anything like this, even in Somalia. It's necessary to say thank you to the Ukrainian government, they fucked up instead of resolving this issue 23 years ago. They simply didn't care about this for almost 1/4 of century, and now they are trying to say something about human rights... Isn't it ridiculous?

It's obvious that public lands should be freed, so... If the Ukrainian "government" has "remembered" about an existence of this public property seizers and wants to provide them with a land, let them do it at their own expense. Just don't allow the criminals to get a citizenship and they'll move to Ukraine.

Unfortunately, the same isn't applicable to Romania and gypsies... Because their migration wasn't a result of stupid political decisions. They can't move anythere, it's their home already.

There is a significant difference. Tatars are not loyal to Crimea, Russia or Ukraine. They are loyal to Turkey. If Turkey invades Crimea sometime in the future, then 99% of the Tatars will fight on the side of the Turks. (If I am not wrong, there are more than 25,000 Crimean Tatars in Romania, esp. Constanța County. You can check their loyalty  ).

On the other hand, the Gypsies are loyal to Romania. They speak Romanian (in most cases, Romany is dying). They also believe in the same religion (Romanian Orthodox)... So there will be less problems.

Lols, I was talking about new yorkers living illegally on abandoned properties in NY, just like moscovites live in some abandoned building in Moscow.

Poor people living ... if you call that living like that are everywhere.

The same thing that applies to Tatars can be applied to around 700 000 gypsies in Romania. Should we send them to the only neighbor that will accept them? The black Sea?

Your idea might sound just like that now the people living there need a new citizenship because of this change and that they need to re-apply for it,  and is a dangerous one.

One sick mind can twist it just a bit and we'll have a situation far worse than you can imagine

Exactly. Not only that. They are raping local girls, they are distributing drugs to the boys and doing all sort of barbaric crimes. Do you think this is just coincidence? No. The Tatars want to terrorize the local population, so that they will flee their villages. This is especially true in some of the Southern districts of Crimea, such as Bakhchysarai and Kirovski.

I haven't seen any federal lands in the new york which were seized by moscovites. The same is incorrect for crimean tatars who stole a lot of public land in 1990s. I have to remind that seizure of state property is a crime.

If you wish to stay in any country, you will need a citizenship or residence permit. The residence permit is impossible to obtain while being a criminal. Sometimes citizenship could be obtained much easier, but obtaining a citizenship means that you went into the jurisdiction of this country.

So, possible options are:

1) If you wish to get a residence permit then you have to free public lands.
2) If you wish to get a citizenship then you have to free public land too. If you won't do this then you will receive a subpoena immediately after obtaining citizenship.

What would you do?

So , that should be applied to few thousands moscowits and new yorkers also?
Are any Ukrainians or Russians thrown out of the county for those reasons alone ?

If they want to live there then they have to obey the local rules. Squatting illegally on land owned by others is not going to help. Also, they have to live in a civilized way, and not like the Turks or the Arabs.

It doesn't matter. Crimea it's their home and they have lived long enough.
Should Italians throw out half of Europe's population?

I would love to see some minority , you know which flown back to India , but that is not possible and seriously thinking... it's not fair.
If I were in power I would think of a solution for that but I wouldn't propose deportation no matter how much i'm pissed at them.

Tatars are Turks and they are not an European ethnic group. During a recent poll, a majority of them wanted Crimea to merge with Turkey. None of these people do any economic activity and the crime rate is extremely high in regions where they live. Either Turkey should taken then back, or the US should grant them refugee status and take them to the North America.

So just because they were neglected by centuries by the Russian rulers you want them out of their lands?
That doesn't sound like the federation everybody is dreaming off , more like the ones some of us have nightmares about it . )

I got the news from Twitter, so can't be verified. In the 1990s, Kravchuk settled a lot of Tatars in villages populated by the ethnic Russians. Sometimes, the native Russians were expelled by the use of force. But I don't support the idea of granting Russian citizenship to any of the 300,000 Tatars living there. They are a stone age people with stone age mentality. They will bring no good to Russia other than terrorism.

I think that was the talk of relocating from state-owned land. Many Tatars settled on some of the state land without any prior permit, and some of that land is planned for infrastructure development.

There was no talk about evicting Tatars from Crimea, as your statement seems to indicate.


Top: Expected outcome
Bottom: Real outcome.
 

Obama's predecessor looked like a chimp and he is white:

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Well... there are two options.

1. Build a water pipeline from the Taman Peninsula. Might take more than a year. By that time this years wheat and barley crops might be severely affected.

2. Invade the Oblast of Kherson. I'd prefer this option. Might take 2-3 days. 

Also, there are unconfirmed reports that the Crimean authorities have asked 4,000 Tatars to leave the territory.

They will be done by tomorrow ))))))

If water and electricity lines were that easy to build...

It will take a few years

A small re-post:

* In progress *

Why should a Russian federal subject depend upon another country for its water and electricity supplies? Russia should immediately build power and water lines connecting Crimea from Rostov or Krasnodar.