Topic: Crimes of signatures campaign affects forum? - page 2. (Read 675 times)

Maybe you are correct ✅ that the feds do not give a shit about this.

*sigh*

Mixers are not criminal services, in the same way that Bitcointalk is not a criminal service just because it is used by scammers.

Signature campaigns are simply advertisements or marketing, and as you know, an advertisement requires an active public place to advertise their service, so seeing Bitcointalk as a public forum that discusses Bitcoin and crypto-related topics, this is why all these companies that offer some helpful services related to Bitcoin, gambling using some crypto coins, and mixers tend to use this forum as a means of advertising.

I don't believe the forum will be held liable for any illegal acts that may occur if any firm who advertises on the platform commits a crime, because the forum is not responsible for their conduct.

Signature campaigns, even if they were advertising something illegal, are so small in comparison to other crypto crimes that governments have prosecuted that I seriously doubt they're of any concern to government agencies.  But of course in all honesty I don't have a clue what's going to happen in the future or what agency in which government has eyes on, because there are a lot of them and they don't usually broadcast what they're investigating to the world.

So even with all the scrutiny crypto has been under, campaigns probably aren't even a small blip on the radar of anyone in power, and it's not likely worth the resources to go after either campaign participants or project/exchange/whatever owners for running campaigns.

This forum is law-abiding and will not intentionally promote illegal or fraudulent services or firm. I said intentionally because some companies can pretend to be genuine but have criminal intentions. The forum will take action against any company that engages in any fraudulent activities and members and others will always be warned to stay away from these firms.

In this crazy world, nothing is impossible. The government can come up with cooked-up allegations especially if they think the forum is a threat to their selfish agenda. It could be a case of giving a dog a bad name because you want to get rid of it.

I have seen people erroneously link mixers, gambling, or a Bitcoin forum to Bitcoin. They sometimes assume that Bitcoin and some concepts are inseparable. But this is untrue because Bitcoin is an independent concept. Other products are all attachments to Bitcoin and the currency can exit and strive without them. Bitcoin forums, gambling, mixers, and can cease to exist but Bitcoin will continue because it doesn't rely on these services.

Bitcointalk is a public forum where any user can create a topic and any user can manage a campaign. here the forum does not block anything or boost any campaign to get more publicity. so the forum will not be responsible for any illegal activities and will not have any effect on the forum. there are DT members, they give red tag and red flag on any account where illegal activity will be attempted. which means that the owner of that account is a criminal. Forums don't do much more than that. because this is not a company base and the forum is not here to do any business. hence the forum shall not be responsible in any way for any legal or illegal activities

I don't understand why the OP seems so concerned about some mixer services being promoted via signature campaigns. Laws differ from country to country, so this discussion will not be finish and come to a conclusion unless the government issues an official regulation on this issue.

Bitcointalk is the best forum for the community to discuss anything, not only about price speculation and investment strategies - but also about project development and more.

So far none, there are scam platforms openly promoting here in Bitcointalk, but they are considered third party based on section 260, it's different if the forum is accepting money for advertisement this is openly endorsing a platform.


Yes, it is possible based on their privacy, this could be the reason why they restrict staff from promoting mixers.
https://bitcointalk.org/privacy.php

Yes definitely Bitcoin is not dependent on Bitcointalk but Bitcointalk is dependent on Bitcoin, this is why this forum is called Bitcointalk.

If you are fearing the US or a European country then chill! The staff is now not promoting any mixer campaign. The owner of this forum has never used his/her signature space and further, the owner has stopped selling advertisement space.

My point is that why do you think there would be a crime happening when promoting a project using the signature campaign? Did you even try to find out which other forums pay you weekly for advertising a signature?

I bet you have not and that is the reason you created this topic. Do understand you have now become not an ideal candidate for a Signature Campaign. Although I am not a BM, I think some of them would take this topic into consideration and believe you as a user who might question them and their campaign when selected.

If your ultimate goal is to just be active and create engaging topics then I think this topic is justified. Considering your activities in the African board I think it was foolish to question the Signature campaign and associate it with criminal activities.

Best of Luck!!

This is not about the signature campaign per se, but the project posted in this forum. If the project broke the US laws, I'm pretty sure the thread would the removed and the user data might be shared with third party.

Ross Ulbricht aka Silk Road CEO was a big case before and Ross Ulbricht use this forum to promote his project. Currently Ross Ulbricht is still in jail, if the US regulator is taking serious, this forum should get shut down at that time. But this forum is still exist, this mean an illegal project is still not enough to get shut down, maybe until Bitcoin is completely illegal in US.

+1

I just wanted to mention Ross Ulbricht when I read this thread.

Cloudflare's server problems are not related at all to the business activities of users on this forum, and actually we are used to it.
If the access failure is due to government interference, then as is the case in many seizures of stopped service sites, there is usually a special warning indicating they are taking action with the forum. As far as such a warning (afaik) has never happened, I wouldn't worry too much about signature campaign activities.

First of all, I wish to commend you on this insightful question you just asked, and I will like to give you a brief example. You could all remember there was a signature campaign known as "ChipMixer", and months later we got to noticed it has been seized by the U.S government and under investigation. So did the investigation affect the forum? The answer is "NO", or did its investigation affect it's forum campaign participants? The answer is also "NO".
So in summary @ O.P, that answers your question that an investigation of a signature campaign can never affect the activities of the forum.

For me, I think that can only be possible only if the forum domain is under the host of a government regulated firm, but if the forum has an independent host, then that is likely not going to be possible..
But I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong on this.

The forum was the official place for the discussion of the development of Bitcoin, so it has an important role to play in the continue use of Bitcoin

I thought I was the only one who noticed the domain "error" display few days ago when trying to login the forum, but never knew it was general, and as such that calls for concern, and I hope Sir Theymos needs to do something about it so that such doesn't occur anymore. Thanks

Get your facts straight because to begin with, signatures are not subjects that can commit crimes. If you don't express yourself well you are not helping your case.

I don't know why you have so much insistence on something that was already discussed at the time: mixers are not banned today, therefore to wear the advertising of a mixer or any other service that is not banned today is not illegal.

The order of theymos to the staff seems more a move of extreme caution than anything else, because the moment the mixers or any other service that is advertised in signature campaigns in the forum is declared illegal in the USA especially, the signatures of that service will be banned from the forum.

I think the forum could be punished for breaking laws. Laws differ from place to place.

No saying what could happen to it in the future. Also chipmixer was a big payer of bounties here. No telling if the forum faces issues down the road on this.

Signature campaigns are considered a third party and the forum is not collaborating with any of these, in fact, Bitcointalk stops advertising through bidding so the forum is not endorsing anything even their staff are being restricted from promoting certain platforms so how can the forum be affected, we all know that 1xbit is free to launch a campaign here but they are not charged or accused of collaboration.
Because the forum maintains its policy of openness and not moderating platforms except drugs and selling of arms.

This is no big deal

For example Google advertises so many scams and they are even bigger than this forum, so why aren't they investigated and arrest for taking money from scammers and facilitating scam by advertising them?

Why would FBI cherry pick Bitcointalk and leave out Google, Reddit, Facebook?

Ooh, did i forget to tell you that 1xbet, a sister scam company to 1xbit also appears in La Liga and Seria A display boards?

I have no fear for anything, I asked a question because of my worries of government seizing a website with some reasons and I have none ideas of FBI investigating the forum, I just asked my question on a neutral ground because of what I thought of crime and government intervention, I have be cleared of signaturesm campaign not to contribute an act that will leads of seizing this website, since forum no crime of signatures campaign can cause problem to bitcointalk I have no worries, because I notice a signature campaign that all the participants is on red tag and the name is 1xbit, won't this signature campaign bring a negative name for bitcointalk because of their several accusations which has not be clarify?  Can't government investigate forum because of their act??

You are not the only who experienced that issues. It went offline for:


And according to Theymos:


So it has nothing to do with signature campaigns in this community.

I'm not really sure about your questions about government investigation, but let me cite our dear administrator again:

I believe your concern also has to do with the closure of the longest running campaign (chipmixer) on the forum and the investigation ongoing on the issues of money laundering and maybe any other fraudulent activities the FBI might charge them with in the future. You shouldn't  be worried as I think the forum is safe from any charges the FBI is giving to chipmixer or any campaign in the future. Signature aren't endorsed by the forum therefore they can't be held responsibility for the crimes of the project advertising here. The only time they forum would be questions is when they were advertising this projects personally through the ad slots that the forum offers that has now been stopped by theymos.

Bitcointallk is not different from reddit and other online forum as they're just an online platform that projects can be advertised on. Also without theymos this forum can function as we have those that can take over management (if I'm not mistaking). If the management commits a crime they can be called for questioning but that doesn't mean the forum will die. If the website dormin name was seized for some reason, we can always migrate to a new dormin (I believe that has been done before but not because the previous dormin was seized) and all accounts can be teleported as well. The forum is saved from project advertising on the forum because the forum doesn't moderate them but if the authorities ask the forum to stop giving those particular project a platform to advertise, they have to obey.

As they mention already forum is just a community and is open for promotion, if any signature campaign found violating any law of their country it won't affect the forum for any reason rather Mod can only be warned not to promote such project anymore.
For instance, just take a real life as a case study; let say you go to market to sell clothes or whatever you wants to sell knowing that that place is a market to sell your goods and if happens that what you took to the market doesn't traded in that line you take it to, the authority may asked you to moved it out from that line to the normal place where it is meant to be. They do not locked the market or even ban people from buying and selling in that market. So it's here, nothing affects forum.