Topic: Crimes of signatures campaign affects forum? (Read 655 times)

I don't think bitcointalk will be a waste of any government's time. Just think for more than 10 years, is there any news of any country government questioning the bitcointalk forum from then to the future? Isn't there nothing, Because literally if you look at the bitcointalk platform as a newbie you will not really be attracted, because it looks boring, that's what will immediately come to mind. This forum is for people who love to read and learn about bitcoin, cryptocurrency and others related to it.

Then it's not like Facebook, Youtube, Instagram and others that you can earn easily. Also, participating in the signatures campaign is still your choice because no one will dictate to you here. And what I like here is that everyone is anonymous.

I can see that what to discuss In this thread has finish and people are forcing themselves to discuss, reading almost the page response from different persons,  their suggestions is becoming similar, so repeating what another person has said is like spamming the thread, if I noticed such similar discussions again I will lock the thread because since someone has made such opinion in same thread that means making same opinion is of no use.

This text much important for this forum users to recognize that Bitcoin's existence is separate from the Bitcointalk forum. When government investigations into signature campaigns on Bitcointalk may have consequences, they won't directly impact the existence of Bitcoin. The existence of Bitcoin is not dependent on the Bitcointalk forum or its management. Even if the forum faces obstructions or legal issues due to the actions of its management, Bitcoin as a decentralized digital currency will continue to exist and function independently. Its operation is not tied to any specific platform or forum.

The recent login issue on Bitcointalk is separate from these larger considerations.

Asking questions to learn is always encouraged, so no need to worry about any negative response.

I think reputation of managers tend to provide a sense of security for potential participants so that they no longer bother checking the background of the project behind the advertised campaign. Confirming that it is one of the legit projects or potentially scam or exit scam can only be done with due diligence on their background both on forums and on google. Some information about them will surely be found instead of relying only on the manager's reputation and payout rate.

I know there are some projects that seem legitimate at first but only act up after they've been going on for a few weeks. It will also not be fully detected even if we do research. Finally things like extra consideration before joining are also important, so always increase your vigilance and be safe for yourself and others.

Do not expect that there will be a time that the whole cryptocurrency industry and the forum will become scam free.
No, it will never happen. Cryptocurrency has his nature surrounded by scam. So all we need to do is to be very vigilant and continue to burst the scammers. If the scammers come today with one method, you should not allow them to use same method to scam for the second day. We should always be proactive, that is the only way to mitigate scam as they cannot totally be eradicated in the cryptocurrency industry
As some genuine team members are brainstorming how to make good projects for the betterment of the community. The scammers are also brainstorming how to rip people of their had earned money, that is just the reality and we must accept it.

Honestly I felt so bad with the recent campaign that ended to be a scam, However we learn everyday from our past and present mistakes and experiences and adjust with the way handle things in the future, But in a situation like this and as time goes on I guess proper measures might be in place to scrutinize this companies coming to advise here in the forum in order to get rid of a possible scam projects coming here to advertise in the future that may paint the forum's name so bad.

That's not possible because the forum is a platform for bitcoin discussion and any member that is found with such bad behavioral conduct is tagged red and that's why you discover some campaigns or members account tagged if they partake in any form of scam, also you can see that all the forum staff were asked not to join any form of mixing campaign on the forum in other not to make them a promoter of something that government will term as scam against the forum and since the forum as well stated it clear not to be responsible for any scam associated offenses coming from any member, the best it can do was to tag such individual as well red.


Who are the management board of we are to say, we have Theymos the admin, forum staffs and moderators and i don't think anything of such can come out through their corner because they have been trusted by most of the reputable members of the community as well and we can also attest to their fare just in handling things, to me they are reliable and upto task.


There was first the creation of bitcoin then the idea came about engaging people to discuss about bitcoin across the world on a single platform and bitcointalk.org comes in place, since the website of this forum and everything about the ownership is within the control of the admin and cobra that monitors the site, we are not to be afraid of the hosting challenge to the web address because it's bee controlled by the two aforementioned persons, which means no government can regulate, attack or lockdown the forum and bitcoin remains and same is the forum.

Not true.

If they could summon Facebook, Twitter CEOs to the Congress, they can do the same with theymos. In the past, theymos received a subpoena after the Silk Road event. I believe that we can not exclude anything and what theymos did weeks ago, after the Chipmixer seizure is his serious preventive solution to avoid something he does not want for him and this forum.

However, I believe it is not a most serious thing he can do as his preventive management.

DPR Subpoena (you might be surprised). 

The government can decided to do whatever they like and indirectly they can even commit crime without any jurisdiction supporting it. Bitcointalk had been a safe place for people from different regions to come and seek whatever information they are interested in. If anything happens to this forum which had been a backbone on learning and making enquiry about what Bitcoin really entails then it could affects the Crypto market and the price of Bitcoin. We just hope that something like that do not happen because it is going to be disappointing with effect that can cause fud making people to sell there coins.

I observed that it affects the member, reading people's responses. Meaning that every internet advertiser should be held responsible, if any project they promote commits any crime. It'll reduce scam projects on the internet, but how can people predict the future. A business that started up fine and legit can turn a scam business later. Members here frown at promoting any crime business, any found guilty will come to a hurt. Or, reported, if they don't stop promoting the project and exposed to everyone's notice that such a project is scam. Since we are not direct employees of the projects promoted here, no relationship exist between us, the company won't be affected if you commit a crime too.

Well, the platform itself is not promoting anything. This is a public forum for everyone to discuss various things. People come from all over the world to talk about their interests. Moreover, Companies want to show their existence in the forum and get some traffic. There was a time when companies could buy Ad space on this forum. Forum ad space always had a warning when it was rented to companies.


This warning still exists even though the forum no longer sells its ad space. This is a global website. A Global website cannot maintain the rules of every country. I don't think the government has anything to do with the forum. Signature Campaigns promote their business here. People are just selling their signature space. That's it. A lot of media advertising illegal things. The forum is doing nothing compared to them. Even I believe the forum has nothing to do with the Signature campaigns or a 3rd party company.

I would like to say that BitcoinTalk forum is just a discussion place where all kinds of discussions about Bitcoin happen. Bitcoin is just a powerful network and is ruling the entire world. The unique platform has black shading on it. If you come to the discussion of signature then it is only a responsibility because there are many rules to follow when you participate in a campaign. The Forum cannot be held responsible for actions taken by members of the campaign. Forum members are prohibited from illegal activity.

Government authorities can investigate the forum if the owner or a member is directly linked to a crime and there is evidence of that crime on bitcointalk, a post from an online forum can be used as evidence in court as seen in the Silk Road case , however I don’t think the negative actions of companies that have an ANN thread or signature campaign on the forum will cause seizure. It cannot even dent the name of the forum because Bitcointalk members are quick to address any suspicious activity from companies promoting their services here.

The merit system was not created to reduce scammers, it was designed to reduce spam. I’m surprised you do not know scam is not moderated on the forum.

In bitcointalk illegal advertising and promotion is prohibited so there is no way that government or any organization can investigate here. Also, most of the members maintain privacy because bitcoin is not legalized in so many countries and if bitcoin is not banned in some countries but also there are restrictions for using or holding bitcoin. So it is better to not disclose your privacy on this forum.


It was only for a time, I was also trying to log into my account that time. Maybe it was for the server and there is nothing to worry about when you face this, just try again after an hour or so.

You don't have to be worry, 1xbit accusations and crimes can't bring any negative impacts to the forum, already they're not welcomed here as their campaign are always been blacklisted and promoters tagged whenever they launched their campaign on the forum. Those tags are a sign that the community doesn't welcome their advertisment here but since this is a public forum and signature or bounties aren't been regulated here, there's nothing the forum can do to stop them from advertising unless they break the forum rules.

If 1xbit is found guilty of encouraging their participants to be spamming the forum through their high weekly quota then they can be blocked from advertising on the forum as similar event has happened in the past with an exchange called yobit was found guilty of their signature participants spamming and they got their ads blocked from showing on the forum. There are far more worse projects that have advertised on the forum and turn out to be a scam yet it didn't affect the forum and that's because the forum has no direct involvement with those project.

They will have to deal with section 260 first and Bitcointalk has already been made aware of their compliant to authorities being under U.S. jurisdiction, they will have to send a letter of notification first and Bitcointalk will respond appropriately, you don't block right away unless there is a pending case, there should be democracy in how they implement rules.

We already have that in place but there are still scammers roaming around because scams are not moderated here


Chipmixer and FTX are big fishes but they caught it, there should be court orders before they take action.

There are lot of Defense statement here - What if Bitcointalk will be blocked by the FBI Because of those Crimes from Signature Campaign, or What if no one is Reporting Directly to the FBI because they Don't want to get Traced or something so they just Left the Issue goes on.?

I think the Merit System is the best Idea that the Owner of Bitcointalk Created to Lessen the Scammers who joins the campaign.

when it Comes to a syndicate something or any Related Crime Issue. FBI don't just go for Big Fish Directly they hunt small Fish First. If you get what I mean. 

Op your concerns and fears should not be a thing of worry to you. You see, this platform is an open space for all to and every one is entitled to his or her own opinion. Do not forget that this platform is an anonymous platform but up right and strict with good reputation and if there be any case of investigation, the company or organizations are the known entities to be held responsible as a result of their act because they already have an identity well known with government. We  wearing their signature has nothing to bother us because it is assume they must have fulfilled all the necessary requirements by the government and the forum to advertise their their products so if anything happens, hey would be held responsible because they re the once known by the government and not the  campaign promoters.

Just as it is with the chipmixer, the government went after the organization and not the promoters because the entity which is the organization are the ones responsible for that act as the promoters are not known.

Your analysis are comforting, in the sense that government will likely not invest their resources to go after campaign participants. Bitcointalk being an unanimous forum where different ideologists and personalities meet and interact about bitcoin and other related financial discussions, makes it more difficult for any government to interfere.

Maybe what you say that sometimes the host server of bitcointalk is like maintenance, is that what you mean? Actually that seems normal to me, one day Bitcointalk was like that because I thought it was under maintenance and there was nothing to worry about.

        It took a while before that happened again, but only for one day. Then it is unlikely that the government will interfere with this forum, the government of each country will not waste it. After all, this forum is really only for those who are devoted and want to delve deeper into bitcoin and cryptocurrency. It seems to people that the bible is the best book in the whole world, then here for us this bitcointalk is like the bible of bitcoin and crypto fanatics.