Croatian local - new child board request - moderator request - page 2.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 16, 2018, 06:53:36 AM

I'm sure people would love to talk about Sports but we don't need a sports section in there as well. Whether there's another section or not you'll still have to just scroll through the dozens of threads that are just getting posted by the op and nobody else purely for the bounty translation.

Please read through this.
Especially the first screenshot.

Summary of a post I made earlier.

http://prntscr.com/j5pxb9

Yellow- Altcoin related
Blue - Bitcoin&Altcoin related
Brown - Bitcoin related
No color- forum related

And these aren't shitposts.
These are decent threads, check for example 2 of the outlined ^
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kad-dobije-prve-tokene-kako-dalje-3196935
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crypto-gui-miner-slubena-tema-i-podrka-za-hrvatski-jezik-3052292

If we visit the Altcoin section, we'll see that there's only one thread that's not an ANN
http://prntscr.com/j5pzlw

There's altcoin threads in the main subforum everywhere, there's hundreds of ANN threads in the altcoin section and reporting posts is basically useless since other moderators don't speak Croatian.

Our desires have been manifested here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/croatian-local-new-child-board-request-moderator-request-3212995

Aparat from an ANN thread, a thing we would really use is - a moderator.

In another thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kandidature-za-moderatora-3221724) we've discussed who'd be willing to perform this function and 2 users applied + korni74 who states he'd only be willing to be a 2nd moderator. After that I announced I'd be willing to perform the function too if it was bestowed upon me.

We performed a poll to see who the community supports, as the French community did previously.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34323126

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 13, 2018, 08:23:03 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2018, 12:09:05 PM

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

What makes you think people won't post altcoin threads because there isn't an altcoin board?

They will. But they get warned and banned if they persist as it's against the rules to post alt coin threads in boards that don't have an alt coin section.

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 13, 2018, 08:23:03 AM

And there certainly is interest in altcoins and in BTC, however, some are only interested in 1 of those and the threads we'd be willing to read get lost among all other threads.

Organization is the only thing we're asking.
We don't preferr scrolling through a hundred ANN threads to find the 1 altcoin thread we were looking for.
Nor we preferr having the main subforum area filled with altcoin threads.

It's not a hard thing to do, to add an ANN section but it'd make a lot of people lives a lot easier.

I'm sure people would love to talk about Sports but we don't need a sports section in there as well. Whether there's another section or not you'll still have to just scroll through the dozens of threads that are just getting posted by the op and nobody else purely for the bounty translation.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2018, 12:09:05 PM

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

What makes you think people won't post altcoin threads because there isn't an altcoin board?

The subforum would just get drowned in unrelated threads without any organization.
We'd report the topics to the moderators which mostly wouldn't understand what's been said in the threads since they don't understand the language.
And the owners would get their threads deleted for posts that ARE crypto related, just not BTC related.

If you look at the Croatian section right now, you'll see this

http://prntscr.com/j4qxu0

All the topics I've outlined are not related to Bitcoin.
And if they're moved in the Altcoin section, they'd just get drowned among all the ANN threads.

The Croatian section is relatively active, perhaps not as much as some of the others but we're active and growing.
And there certainly is interest in altcoins and in BTC, however, some are only interested in 1 of those and the threads we'd be willing to read get lost among all other threads.

Organization is the only thing we're asking.
We don't preferr scrolling through a hundred ANN threads to find the 1 altcoin thread we were looking for.
Nor we preferr having the main subforum area filled with altcoin threads.

It's not a hard thing to do, to add an ANN section but it'd make a lot of people lives a lot easier.

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Quote from: marlboroza on March 28, 2018, 03:16:30 PM

Croatian altcoin child board is full of ICO announcement threads, it is hard to read or follow anything there and because of that conversations about altcoins moved to local board, which IMHO should be about bitcoin and everything related to bitcoin.

As we don't have moderator, can we at least get new child board for ICO/bounty threads separated from altcoin child board?

Can someone clean board?

Can we get moderator?

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Finally!!! I hope bitcointalk officials will hear this call because is more than needed. Thank you marlboroza

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2018, 12:09:05 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 08, 2018, 06:04:51 PM

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

Rickbig41 has moved few altcoin topics from main board to altcoin board, which means they shouldn't be in main board, if you remove altcoin board then someone will have to move these topics to trash, and who will do it if not moderator?

I am curious why "croatian crypto", "POS and masternode coins" and "what are airdrops" have been moved to altcoin board, while "lilecoin", "how to buy and sell ERC-20 tokens using bankor network", "switch to Monero for better profit" and other altcoin topics which are springing up like mushrooms after the rain are not moved to altcoin board?

I wouldn't call this "altcoin section is not needed because you are small" nor I would say moderator is not needed because both are needed.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2018, 01:13:03 PM

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct?

No.

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?

Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

I am one of those who take part in the bounties you are right but there are quite a few people there besides me who have been part of many in the past and have much more experience and many more active threads then I have. But even If I wasnt I would still not support the idea of deleting them just because I dont like them.
Imagine that you are a content creator making youtube videos for a living or as a hobby and you have plenty of these videos on a forum. One day someone says "I am sick and tired seeing all these videos and promotions, I suggest we delete all of them".

The local groups I mentioned are bigger I agree. Our community is not that big but it is still growing. Certainly there are people who are only watching, reading even if they are not actively participating in the topics because some of them have a lot of views. One day they might register and participate. People are slowly getting used to the technology, they are mining, exchanging ideas on local forums outside of BTT so there is interest and its constantly growing.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2018, 01:13:03 PM

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct?

No.

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?

Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

I would just add that in Croatia there is a lot of people in Croatia who don't speak english very well so there is definately need for ANN board on Croatian language.

It is true that some of ANN threads don't have a lot of replies, but they have a lot of views.
The main goal of these threads is to inform people and they serve this purpose well.
The only thing that we want is special ANN board.

The trouble is that ANN and altcoin threads are mixed and that hinders readability.

We just want them separated to make our local forum more pleasant and easier to use.

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Quote from: marlboroza on March 28, 2018, 03:16:30 PM

Croatian altcoin child board is full of ICO announcement threads, it is hard to read or follow anything there and because of that conversations about altcoins moved to local board, which IMHO should be about bitcoin and everything related to bitcoin.

As we don't have moderator, can we at least get new child board for ICO/bounty threads separated from altcoin child board?

Can someone clean board?

Can we get moderator?

edited.

You need to check Serbian topic. there is general confusion. We also trying to get local board, but It's very hard approval.
ANN ICO translation brings most of the mess

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Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct?

No.

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?

Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.

Quote from: denis-z12 on April 09, 2018, 12:52:44 PM

Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 09, 2018, 12:09:05 PM

Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 08, 2018, 06:04:51 PM

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

Quote from: Trofo on April 08, 2018, 11:49:31 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 08, 2018, 08:48:22 AM

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them.

They're only allowed if there's a dedicated board for them. Get rid of that board and then they're not allowed. When the only people posting them are bounty hunters it's even more pointless and shows there's little to no demand for them.

Let me just begin by saying I am not trying to pick a fight with you but I just want to talk about this and try to change your mind.
Taking part in bounties is a normal thing and a legit way of earning crypto currency. You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct? So am I. I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?
Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

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Quote from: iluvbitcoins on April 08, 2018, 06:04:51 PM

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.

Quote from: Trofo on April 08, 2018, 11:49:31 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 08, 2018, 08:48:22 AM

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them.

They're only allowed if there's a dedicated board for them. Get rid of that board and then they're not allowed. When the only people posting them are bounty hunters it's even more pointless and shows there's little to no demand for them.

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Quote from: Trofo on April 08, 2018, 11:49:31 AM

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 08, 2018, 08:48:22 AM

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them. People are getting paid for that. I am not advocating for myself here. I have also done some translations but wouldn't have a problem to stop doing if that would help the comunity.

Child board for Announcements would make Croatian part of the forum much more readable. The problem is that ANN threads make altcoins section unreadable and then people post altcoins content in the main Bitcoin section.

If we get a new ANN child board I believe we can clean most of the stuff by ourselves. We can make a topic asking people to move their threads to appropriate sections and after let's say two weeks we can make a community effort to warn via PM the topic creators which haven't complied. After about 1 month time I believe we would have mostly taken care of everything and we could simply report few remaining topics to be removed. That way we could significantly reduce time for moderator actions. Even without that last part I believe that all remaining wrongly posted topics would be on later pages which is something I can live with

I totally agree with you. Deleting the topics is unfair to the OPs who put hours of work into the translations. Just like you I do translations as well and the translations on the Croatian local board are of good quality and NOT bad google translations.
If they are in the wrong section just tell us where to move them and consider it done. We will move them ourselves together with our Moderator.

Thanks

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@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 08, 2018, 08:48:22 AM

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them. People are getting paid for that. I am not advocating for myself here. I have also done some translations but wouldn't have a problem to stop doing if that would help the comunity.

Child board for Announcements would make Croatian part of the forum much more readable. The problem is that ANN threads make altcoins section unreadable and then people post altcoins content in the main Bitcoin section.

If we get a new ANN child board I believe we can clean most of the stuff by ourselves. We can make a topic asking people to move their threads to appropriate sections and after let's say two weeks we can make a community effort to warn via PM the topic creators which haven't complied. After about 1 month time I believe we would have mostly taken care of everything and we could simply report few remaining topics to be removed. That way we could significantly reduce time for moderator actions. Even without that last part I believe that all remaining wrongly posted topics would be on later pages which is something I can live with

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Quote from: hilariousetc on April 08, 2018, 08:48:22 AM

Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability.

Why no one wants to trash ICO announcement topics?
Isn't it because it is allowed to translate topics in local sections, no matter no one reads them?

Quote from: hilariousetc on April 08, 2018, 08:48:22 AM

There's little to no demand for alt coins there [...] It's not needed.

Quote from: InvoKing on April 08, 2018, 07:04:20 AM

And tons of hours to clean it from useless spammy topics/posts...

That is not true.

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Quote from: slackovic on April 08, 2018, 04:23:18 AM

I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

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Quote from: slackovic on April 08, 2018, 04:23:18 AM

I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

And tons of hours to clean it from useless spammy topics/posts...
I understand how hilarious think but on the other side I am with giving local board their proper subs. I gave a solution, not that perfect, but at least it could nullify potential spam reasons.

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I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

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I also support this initiative.
We need moderator or at least new child board for announcements (Altcoins) threads separated from Altcoin child board in Croatian subforum.

I think it is important to point out that a large number of people from the area of ex Yugoslawia gravitates to the Croatian subforum, because practically the same language. For those who do not know the difference Between Croatian and Serbian languages is like comparing the differences between American and British English.
It is important that the moderator understands what is written in a post, does not have to be a native speaker of the Croatian language.

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