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LoyceV

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Quote from: Dunamisx on September 06, 2022, 11:56:35 PM

there should be a supporting rules that can limit the engagement of newbies directly

I like how you put it, it's very close to what theymos called "very harmful":

Quote from: theymos on June 24, 2018, 10:16:59 PM

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

Dunamisx

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 05, 2022, 10:18:58 AM

In my opinion, if the forum adjusted the rules about only full rank members being able to join the bounty then I'm sure less cheaters would be caught. This will obviously force every newbie to post something quality to rank up to full members and each and every one of them will no longer be able to go straight to the forum just to spam their social media with a new altcoin project.

You're very right here and i also supported that, there should be a supporting rules that can limit the engagement of newbies directly on the hunt for bounty since such is applicable in most signature campaign that you must be a member or full member as the case may be by the signature campaign rules before you can get enrolled for a campaign, when such is place on bounty sections as well, i think it will definitely go dome miles in reducing the ever increasing pumps on alts and the existing ones will not want to misbehave because they know what it takes to get 100 merits before joining a campaign.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 09:44:37 AM

Do you believe my argument is invalid, and I am accusing them without any reason?

I can't really tell, your "evidence" isn't convincing.

Quote from: LoyceV on January 28, 2018, 04:13:56 AM

As you can see, I just wanted to know if he had some business deal or what connection he has with the two of them.

It's none of your business. He may choose to disclose his deals, but if he doesn't, it proves nothing. Ask me about my business deals: if I wanted them to be public, I would have created a thread when I made the deal.

Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 10:45:11 AM

All you need is, accept your mistakes; remove the tag; remember all the suggestions made to you. Move on.

Or, you just move on Tongue

You're putting way too much weight on a non-DT neutral tag. Anyone can leave any feedback they want. Check The Pharmacist's Untrusted feedback and scroll down real quick. It means nothing

Quote from: AnotherAlt on September 06, 2022, 11:18:43 AM

But yes. Theymos can figure out alts.

From the history of Bitcointalk:

Quote from: theymos on January 15, 2018, 03:24:05 PM

A year or two ago I was researching fingerprinting techniques that'd work against pretty much anyone with JavaScript enabled, and I found several promising leads on that front. But then it occurred to me that I don't really want bitcointalk.org to be known as the #1 forum on the leading edge of de-anonymization technology, so I stopped pursuing it seriously...

Z-tight

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Quote from: Apocollapse on September 06, 2022, 10:53:17 AM

I still remember @theymos post about his detective work to compile the whole alts by IP address, but I'm unable to find the post. This mean it's possible for @theymos ban the account by IP address matched with the ban evaders.

Theymos can, but won't use that approach, it can cause many mistakes and members that aren't the ban evaders themselves may get banned, that is why the forum uses the proxyban method to ban members who share evil or banned ip's, but this takes place when they register, and getting whitelisted or paying a small fee solves the problem.

Are you sure Theymos ever said he will compile 'the whole' alts by IP addresses? Theymos answers just once out of a thousand times his attention is needed, surely he would not involve himself in any detective work that will be more time consuming.

AnotherAlt

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Quote from: Apocollapse on September 06, 2022, 10:53:17 AM

I still remember @theymos post about his detective work to compile the whole alts by IP address, but I'm unable to find the post. This mean it's possible for @theymos ban the account by IP address matched with the ban evaders.

I am not sure if you are talking bout this one;

Quote from: theymos on April 06, 2019, 05:56:58 PM

I see no particular evidence of Bazinga442 being an alt, but the other ~~six~~ five (edit: zin-zang may not be part of this circle) are all the same person. They will be blacklisted from the DT selection system in the future. Haven't decided whether this abuse warrants a forum ban.

After some investigation, this is a circle of 58 accounts, most of which have 10+ merit. IDs:
2061631
1658865
1609508
1586656
1586585
1586551
1586457
1586404
1575750
1575704
1325707
1325699
1325681
1325665
1325651
1325633
1325624
1325612
1312864
1312835
1312750
1312730
1312682
1312669
1312215
1311924
1311852
1311798
1311776
1311740
1311716
1311700
1311664
1311649
1311624
1311608
1290714
1290532
1289915
1260476
1260451
1247231
1247213
1247203
1247193
1240919
1240872
1240853
1240832
1240198
1237158
1237123
1236944
1236879
1236860
1231268
1231252
1586551

But yes. Theymos can figure out alts.

DireWolfM14

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 06, 2022, 04:08:46 AM

Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 03:40:59 AM

Don't you feel awkward on asking me where and why I spend my bitcoins? You are not my government legal/tax entity to ask such questions.

Please tell me how much you earn per month, where you live, provide a copy of your drivers license, and explain in details how you spent your money between February 14 and March 14 last year Cheesy

You forgot to ask about any identifying tattoos or birthmarks, and the name of his first-born male child. Tongue

Really, who the fuck do these people think they are? After behaving this way for the last two or three years, one would think that the more rational DT members purge them from their inclusions. It's like they've all gotten so drunk on power they have to intimidate and harass less prominent members to give their lives meaning.

Apocollapse

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on September 06, 2022, 10:16:36 AM

And until there is clear evidence, it is difficult to directly accuse people of fraud.
This is quite a difficult job. If one person owns these accounts, one could applaud.

Yep, since it's too difficult it make it's difficult to choose whether the investigation by @Crypt0S0ul is correct or not, which is we can't draw the line.

Quote from: Z-tight on September 06, 2022, 10:22:45 AM

Even if they have all the record, the forum administrator does not ban members through connected or similar IP.

I still remember @theymos post about his detective work to compile the whole alts by IP address, but I'm unable to find the post. This mean it's possible for @theymos ban the account by IP address matched with the ban evaders.

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 10:27:38 AM

Can you please quote where I accused them as ban evaders? Don't mix up the cases, please.

Sorry I'm wrong, it's a different case I read on your thread. But seeing the thread that you accuse they're have intention to participate a same campaign is deserve a red flag too, getting red flag is similar like banned since your journey in this forum already destroyed.

darewaller

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Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 10:27:38 AM

I was supposed not to respond here again.

Why?

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 10:27:38 AM

You started spamming via PM and asking the same question here over and over.

You were the first one to send me a PM. So, you cannot escape by saying "no more response here".

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 10:27:38 AM

I was supposed not to respond here again. I had removed the feedback but seems you are not happy with that. You started spamming via PM and asking the same question here over and over. So I had to re-write the feedback and answer again here.

When I asked you to respond, no tag was removed.

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 10:27:38 AM

Non-alt accounts enrolling in the same campaign isn't unethical. But, Connected alts that trying to be a different person enrolling in the same campaign is unethical.

You are coining new terms to back your ego (firstly "connected accounts" and now "connected alts"). You were proved wrong on tracking blockchain and you agreed that still what you expect to clear tags? Do I need to contact on telegram to beg?

All you need is, accept your mistakes; remove the tag; remember all the suggestions made to you. Move on.

Crypt0S0ul

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Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 09:51:16 AM

Quote from: darewaller on September 04, 2022, 09:40:28 AM

how non-alt accounts enrolling a same campaign can be unethical.

You must explain how it is unethical.

I was supposed not to respond here again. I had removed the feedback but seems you are not happy with that. You started spamming via PM and asking the same question here over and over. So I had to re-write the feedback and answer again here.

Non-alt accounts enrolling in the same campaign isn't unethical. But, Connected alts that trying to be a different person enrolling in the same campaign is unethical.

Quote from: Apocollapse on September 06, 2022, 10:00:13 AM

The reason why they're angry is you're drag them to get banned (evade ban) not spam case. I have no intention to give you counter question, but what if someone accuse you're ban evader? I believe you're also angry.

Can you please quote where I accused them as ban evaders? Don't mix up the cases, please.

Quote from: Apocollapse on September 06, 2022, 10:00:13 AM

This forum record the whole IP address, if they're come from a same person, they will got banned by the administrator.

Forum administrators don't have time to check everyone's IPs and ban them. People Use VPNs. If you use VPN, You might be using someone else IP right now. To not make mistakes, Forum deployed an IP ban (Evil fees ) system.

I remember a guy asked theymos, Does it mean I can create another account even after I get banned? theymos answered, Yes. Each time you get banned, The evil fees will be higher (I am unable to find the thread now) So, to get ban evader banned, you have to find the connection and report manually.

Z-tight

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Quote from: Apocollapse on September 06, 2022, 10:00:13 AM

This forum record the whole IP address, if they're come from a same person, they will got banned by the administrator.

They don't get banned, they are only unable to post upon registration, that is the IP and Evil fee ban, but if they pay a small fee or are whitelisted, then they can post normally like other members. Even if they have all the record, the forum administrator does not ban members through connected or similar IP.

lovesmayfamilis

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Quote from: Apocollapse on September 06, 2022, 10:00:13 AM

This forum record the whole IP address, if they're come from a same person, they will got banned by the administrator.

If they are adept at separating their profiles from matches, assuming all accounts belong to the same person, one might also think that their IPs might be different.
The style of the language can also be deliberately forged by the way it is written, with commas, paragraphs, capital letters, and so on.
They can offer us the version that they are all friends, relatives, and so on.
And until there is clear evidence, it is difficult to directly accuse people of fraud.
This is quite a difficult job. If one person owns these accounts, one could applaud.

Apocollapse

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Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 09:44:37 AM

Waiting for others to reply, none of them want to answer. Instead, they are here with counter-question and twisting my words. As you can see, I just wanted to know if he had some business deal or what connection he has with the two of them. But, He gets it negatively. They must be angry because I created the thread and left neutral feedback, which they consider spam.

Blockchain transaction could be a prove if they're a part of farm accounts, but not all transaction send to one address are farms, that's why it's not a solid proof. Since it's not a solid proof, they're not obliged to explain it here, but there's nothing wrong if they want.

The reason why they're angry is you're drag them to get banned (evade ban) not spam case. I have no intention to give you counter question, but what if someone accuse you're ban evader? I believe you're also angry.

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Now, I can see almost everyone saying those blockchain transaction doesn't prove anything. I believe in the future; You will see a lot of ban evaders here on the platform.

This forum record the whole IP address, if they're come from a same person, they will got banned by the administrator.

darewaller

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Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on September 06, 2022, 09:44:37 AM

This is my last response about this case.

Case is not yet solved. You bypassed my question:

Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 02:16:19 AM

You have not explained your stand on this yet:

Quote from: darewaller on September 04, 2022, 09:40:28 AM

how non-alt accounts enrolling a same campaign can be unethical.

You must explain how it is unethical.

Crypt0S0ul

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Quote from: LoyceV on September 06, 2022, 04:08:46 AM

I suspect a lot of things, that doesn't mean anything without proof.
Did you know several instant exchangers and payment processors recycle Bitcoin addresses? I've made payments to addresses that were used before, which doesn't mean I'm connected to any of the other users.

That's interesting. I didn't know that.
Do you believe my argument is invalid, and I am accusing them without any reason? Yeah, I don't have any right to ask someone for personal information. But, I saw they did some transactions with the three accounts, and one of them said he was doing marketing. I removed the feedback from one of their profile. Waiting for others to reply, none of them want to answer. Instead, they are here with counter-question and twisting my words. As you can see, I just wanted to know if he had some business deal or what connection he has with the two of them. But, He gets it negatively. They must be angry because I created the thread and left neutral feedback, which they consider spam.

Now, I can see almost everyone saying those blockchain transaction doesn't prove anything. I believe in the future; You will see a lot of ban evaders here on the platform. You will understand. But, you will end up watching them. If scammers and cheaters also do the same. You will have no choice other than to watch them. This is my last response about this case.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 05, 2022, 12:26:51 PM

If you aren't confident enough to post an accusation from your main account, why post it from an alt?

It's reputational protection--the same reason whistleblowers in the real world prefer to be anonymous. If you think about it and try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who might not have a very strong personality, one that can withstand criticism from lord knows how many members on a discussion forum, it's not that hard to understand why.

Personally I don't have a problem with people using alt accounts that way, and if I ever said otherwise I'm retracting those statements here and now (lol). What happens when you've got a real problem with a member with whom a mutual friendship/trust/respect has developed? There are some members who'd rather deal with it via an alt account rather than confronting that person directly. Yeah it sounds weak, but there's nothing shady about it as long as the argument being made is sound.

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Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 06:05:51 AM

No wonders that third persons view this that way. But, for me, why should I bear something which is not true?

You can leave the same neutral feedback if you don't agree. This will clear up the fact that the neutral tag was wrong and provide a link to that thread.
To anyone who will be interested in your situation, you allow understanding of whether there was a mistake or not.
Only those who leave them can remove tags, if this cannot be done, you will simply have to ignore it.

darewaller

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Quote from: FatFork on September 06, 2022, 05:31:38 AM

Again, he didn't ask you where and why you spend your bitcoins, and you don't have to refer me to his question, as it was already quoted in my previous reply.

If you cannot interpret that post on that way, here you go:

Quote from: Crypt0S0ul on August 29, 2022, 08:05:23 PM

They must be able to explain if they are doing business or other things. Let's hear from them.

Quote from: FatFork on September 06, 2022, 05:31:38 AM

I think you are over-dramatizing the situation. A simple neutral tag on your account can't ruin your reputation here in any way.

No wonders that third persons view this that way. But, for me, why should I bear something which is not true?

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Quote from: Scam Exposey on September 06, 2022, 05:17:06 AM

So you just bother people for nonsense accusation?

Do you think its right to bother people? While for sure everybody cares about there privacy?

Somehow I managed to get your attention after a long day sleeping on the couch, is that worth discussing or do you want to say something interesting to hear?

If you don't bother reading or finding something I said in the previous case, then continue your sleep. That's much wiser than you producing a lot of dopamine in your body. Wink

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Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 04:38:10 AM

Quote from: FatFork on September 06, 2022, 04:25:41 AM

But he didn't ask you where and why you spend your bitcoins.

No, he asked.

Again, he didn't ask you where and why you spend your bitcoins, and you don't have to refer me to his question, as it was already quoted in my previous reply.

Quote from: darewaller on September 06, 2022, 04:38:10 AM

Quote from: FatFork on September 06, 2022, 04:25:41 AM

don't complain when someone else validates their suspicion by the blockchain evidence linking your accounts together and leaves a neutral tag on your account based on that.

This is not making sense. If this community enforces KYC or similar like we need to furnish where we are spending bitcoins then I will bind to all the practices of this community and based on that you may suspect me on my blockchain footprints. But, nothing is breached as per current official/unofficial rules and practices of this community, what you have to suspect? So, simply this is an attempt to ruin someone's reputation (and wasting time and resources) then why should not I complain?

Don't push it. No one is enforcing any KYC here. All blockchain data is public information anyway, so that cat is already out of the bag. If you are really concerned about your privacy I suggest you stop posting your bitcoin addresses publicly. Besides, I think you are over-dramatizing the situation. A simple neutral tag on your account can't ruin your reputation here in any way.

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Quote from: _BlackStar on September 06, 2022, 05:08:16 AM

I've had a similar case where 16 accounts were involved in send all their assets in one wallet ^{[off-forum transaction],} but after they proved my suspicions wrong, I happily removed the negative tag.

So you just bother people for nonsense accusation?

Do you think its right to bother people? While for sure everybody cares about there privacy?

For this forum exist for so long for sure many forum members do transaction for ones or even more, so this txid proof is totally nonsense at all.

And no one owes explanation to anyone since as I said privacy is more important, im sure that many people will do the same if they think the accusation is no basis.

Hopefully there's a penalty for people rising wrong accusation. Since they just do that for a show and for farming merits.

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