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January 15, 2024, 09:55:38 AM
#97
Gambling was restricted by many previous religious, in my case grownup in a Muslim family my parents and relatives doesn’t know that I gamble because for them it’s a very big sin and will hurt myself if I gamble, as in Christianisme for them it’s a big sin. All holy books wrote things about Gambling such as :
(Matt. 6:24) : You cannot serve both God and money
Gambling for them it ruins your spirit and makes you a bad person, lead to social and economic harms. To me simply, religions are avoiding anything that has a risk of bad things, an example in Islam with Alcohol since it’s something that can make you addicted, so it’s totally haram and forbidden to even smell it.
For me, I don’t see any harm for me if I gamble time to time and enjoy. Everyone is free after all
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January 15, 2024, 09:54:05 AM
#96
I have no idea on what particulars are in the laws of religious in Muslim about gambling but with the Christians or Catholics, there are still have that faith that gambles and even pray for their luck. Maybe just like any other faith, there are some real ones that follow 100% and there are the ones that don't follow it. It is a sensitive topic at all times when the discussions is all about religions and faiths.

But if it's going to be with gambling, it's easy to get on it and talk about it because everyone's interest is on it. There could be the same in both faiths and other faiths that some of the believers does things that are against to their beliefs but still find themselves faithful and just trying to weigh what they do and they don't even let other believers know what they does. So, we're all humans and we have differences and sometimes we do get the same belief regardless of the faith that we're having. If you're faithful to your religion, you're going to follow but you can't stop those that are thinking to themselves that they're faithful but at the same time, does things that go against to their laws with their faith.
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January 15, 2024, 09:49:12 AM
#95
Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

That is a well known fact.I assume it is happening everywhere but from my experience I have seen in Stake casino a lot of Muslim nicknames there gambling the hell out of it and also being high in VIP ranks,meaning they have wagered a lot.This I think happens commonly in many other casinos as crypto truly bypass the Muslim countries restrictions,with a bank account they are still limited by identity while in crypto no one can stop anyone,a major beauty point of crypto.
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January 15, 2024, 09:49:06 AM
#94
Well, religious people have many restrictions, the deeper they are in religion, the more rules they have to follow. Every religion has some rules, so if someone wishes to dedicate their life to God and all that stuff it's their thing and I don't have anything against it. But they should mind their own business and leave others to live their lives as they want...
This is where I am not comfortable with moat religious people. They tend to see other people's behavior as immoral just because their own religion doesn't permit it. If you want to obey religious rules, go ahead and do it but don't criticise the the actions of others because everybody has his or her life to live. I one part of my country that are mainly inhabited by Muslims, other religions are restricted from gambling even when it is not against the constitution of our country.

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I think I am pretty soft with these words because mixing any religion and gambling is a bit foolish. People should be free to have some fun in life with the money they have... If it doesn't hurt others why should be banned and restricted? Some rules are pretty stupid...
Responsible gambling should be the major teaching of both religious and political leaders because gambling is as old as man. It has existed harmlessly even before most religion was founded and it has been a major source of entertainment and a means of getting some extra income. I also don't like discussing gambling with religious fanatics because they have been blinded by indoctrination.
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January 15, 2024, 09:39:58 AM
#93
Well, religious people have many restrictions, the deeper they are in religion, the more rules they have to follow. Every religion has some rules, so if someone wishes to dedicate their life to God and all that stuff it's their thing and I don't have anything against it. But they should mind their own business and leave others to live their lives as they want...

I think I am pretty soft with these words because mixing any religion and gambling is a bit foolish. People should be free to have some fun in life with the money they have... If it doesn't hurt others why should be banned and restricted? Some rules are pretty stupid...

I agree. What if it's a single guy who wants to have some fun with his life with his own hard-earned money? Will it still be a sin if he can please himself through gambling?

Other religions are hardcore so this is still a sin because they are not spending the money in the wisest way. Well, there are a lot of wise people who gamble and yet they know or feel that satisfaction can be found there.
I also dislike talking about gambling and religion, it's hard to explain especially if they have different Bible's that they follow. I am a Christian who gets deep when I am in church. I don't think about anything but just Him and yet I don't feel that gambling is a sin when I know to myself that I am not hardcore in gambling and I don't forget my responsibilities with my wife and my kids. I would never risk our budget just to please myself.
I think this can only apply to those who are already destroying themselves with gambling addiction. Somehow, they are on the wrong path and are not responsible gamblers anymore.
We can still enjoy it even with low bets but others find it as a long way to profit while gambling should be a faster way to make money. I don't agree with that. We will just lose if that is our perspective against the house. Some do it to rush their VIP rank, wager more, and rank faster. I think that's foolish because the bonuses would not suffice with our losses.
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January 15, 2024, 09:27:44 AM
#92
whether you use crypto or not, gambling is still gambling, and both christianity and islam forbid gambling, but even so, there are still many people who continue to gamble because they think that gambling is not a serious sin which makes their god very angry with them, so they keep doing that. moreover, whether to gamble or not is a matter for an individual and his or her religion, there is no need to worry too much about it, if you feel guilty because you have gambled you can stop, or you can continue if you think that it is not too big of a sin.
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January 15, 2024, 08:56:33 AM
#91
If gambling is a sin for them then no matter what they use to gamble or currency then it is a sin.
They are just lying to their self or making excuse, they might hide it to others by hiding their activities through crypto, but they are aware of what they are doing.
It is just a question of conscience which if not guilty would not mean any harm but if they feel its guilty they will keep getting pestered by their guilty conscience that they committed a sin and they are not a good person anymore.

Basically for any religion gambling is a sin. But the final decision is from our side what we decide to do with our money. A restriction is only a fancy word nowadays, with the different methods to circumvent systems, nobody is actually restricted from anything. So gamble if you feel it is ok to do so but dont if you are guilty about it.

Even today if you ask logically, the long term result of gambling is a loss, so it is wrong to play for long.
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January 02, 2024, 03:55:30 PM
#90
Does saying gambling is a sin for Christians and Haram for Muslims make individuals of these religions quit gambling? I do not think so. There is a moral stand in everything, and every gambling person should allow this to guide them. If you are gambling and wasting time, life, career, relationships, mental health, finances, then you should have a conversation with yourself. Outside of the religious restrictions, there should be a personal restriction.
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January 02, 2024, 03:52:43 PM
#89
I try as much as I can not to delve into religious affairs considering that religion is a sensitive subject. My conviction stem from the fact that religion, which is supposed to be a personal and private affair, has been made so complex that it now divide humanity instead of uniting humanity.

Since we don't have religious scholars here, everyone should just chose what is convenient and align with their beliefs and do it privately.

so long they are not in trouble with anyone and they feel comfortable about doing it, there's no reason for them to be guilty or whatever they think is wrong with them. religion is just created by humans, for something to believe on. it is not an absolute truth that we need to stick even if it is hindering a simple enjoyment in life.

Well, religious people have many restrictions, the deeper they are in religion, the more rules they have to follow. Every religion has some rules, so if someone wishes to dedicate their life to God and all that stuff it's their thing and I don't have anything against it. But they should mind their own business and leave others to live their lives as they want...

I think I am pretty soft with these words because mixing any religion and gambling is a bit foolish. People should be free to have some fun in life with the money they have... If it doesn't hurt others why should be banned and restricted? Some rules are pretty stupid...

should just take care of their beliefs and not bother others. as you said, mind your own business. you don't need to nag someone about your beliefs. you can keep your beliefs within yourself and not think that you are above them because you are sticking to your religion.
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January 02, 2024, 03:48:34 PM
#88
I try as much as I can not to delve into religious affairs considering that religion is a sensitive subject. My conviction stem from the fact that religion, which is supposed to be a personal and private affair, has been made so complex that it now divide humanity instead of uniting humanity.

Since we don't have religious scholars here, everyone should just chose what is convenient and align with their beliefs and do it privately. I really do not see the intersection of Bitcoin, a technology created to make life better, will be considered as bad from a religious perspective.  It is like a religious sect in my country that once said television was bad and that members should destroy their TVs and stop watching it. But when reality dawn on them after a while, the same religious sect is using television in their religious activities today.
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January 02, 2024, 03:33:10 PM
#87
Well, religious people have many restrictions, the deeper they are in religion, the more rules they have to follow. Every religion has some rules, so if someone wishes to dedicate their life to God and all that stuff it's their thing and I don't have anything against it. But they should mind their own business and leave others to live their lives as they want...

I think I am pretty soft with these words because mixing any religion and gambling is a bit foolish. People should be free to have some fun in life with the money they have... If it doesn't hurt others why should be banned and restricted? Some rules are pretty stupid...
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January 02, 2024, 03:04:47 PM
#86
These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.
What religion inside Christianity are you talking about? Protestant religions dictate gambling is a very serious sin based on the interpretation of The Bible by their pastors, although there is nothing in The Bible which literally address gambling as a serious sin, rather it talks more about sins based on the love for money, that is, to put money above everything else, including God. However, not every gamblers are greedy people. There are gamblers who enjoy to have some fun betting, but they don't sacrifice their principles and morals in counterpart.

So it's totally possible to gamble without harming the teachings contained on The Bible. When we say to play responsively, to only bet money you can afford to lose, to not chase losses, to not become obsessive for gambling, we are indirectly making the same recommendations The Bible does, because our purpose is the same: to keep a healthy, thriving and peaceful life for body, mind and spirit.

The Bible isn't aimed to punish you or to forbid you from having pleasures in life. It's just supposed to guide you in the best way as possible, so you can enjoy the best the world can offer, without prejudicing yourself. It's much more about equilibrium in our actions than restrictions and castrations.
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January 02, 2024, 02:10:18 PM
#85
If gambling is a sin for them then no matter what they use to gamble or currency then it is a sin.
They are just lying to their self or making excuse, they might hide it to others by hiding their activities through crypto, but they are aware of what they are doing.
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January 02, 2024, 01:27:10 PM
#84
Talking with someone that is Muslim yesterday, it was suggested to me that many Muslims around the world might be using crypto to circumvent the strict treatment of gambling in predominantly Muslim countries.

It was an interesting concept to consider that since crypto can be used to conceal your spending, it is probably also used by people who want to gamble to avoid the consequences based on religious practices.

But the more interesting side of this is that some probably interpret gambling with crypto as permissible under religious rules. Not exactly 100% approved let's say but not explicitly forbidden either.

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.
Really up depending into someones choice whether they would really be commiting those mistakes on what they do believe or something about in speaking about religious rules or whatsoever.There are ones who are really that too strict when it comes on following into those aspects on which committing something against those things isnt something that they could really be able to do so. Some doesnt care on which on the time that they would really be seeing some opportunity for them to deal with then they would actually be doing it without any hesitance as long there's no one around that could bust up on the things that he is doing with the same religion then they would really be definitely doing such thing in silent. Yes, you might be able to skip out peoples eyes but with God eyes then there's no such thing about escape.

We do have different religion into this world on which some might be allowed doing gambling and some who do really have that strict prohibition on which it would really be just that
that will really be depending on you whether you would really be doing it or not. Its up to someones own decision which we do know that each of us
does have that kind of decision in life.
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January 02, 2024, 12:37:24 PM
#83
I don't like gambling and religion discussions, it's not worth the argument, all I can say is that the few Muslims I know don't see gambling as haram, they place bets on sports matches especially football games.
Yes, this will always be a long debate when discussing crypto, gambling and religion, everyone has their own views in assessing that, we must be able to respect anyone and not force anyone to follow what we understand and believe in our views, the point is is don't gamble if it is true that gambling is haram and please gamble if in our view it is not haram.

There are laws and it may all be found in the hadith of Islamic people, which I know is not easy to say that it is haram without looking at the details, just like smoking, many people view the law as haram but on the one hand there are also Islamic figures who smoke, the point is it can't We say it's haram if we don't know the knowledge. The point is don't gamble if it's haram, but if it's not haram, just gamble, because every behavior will be held accountable in the end.  Wink
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January 02, 2024, 12:02:00 PM
#82
I don't like gambling and religion discussions, it's not worth the argument, all I can say is that the few Muslims I know don't see gambling as haram, they place bets on sports matches especially football games.

It's a matter of choice, and there is no need for Muslims to have their own separate block chain just because other users are using Bitcoin to gamble, I will still advice them to invest in Bitcoin if they want, no new coin will be best over Bitcoin.

It's actually simple, if you don't like gambling you should abstain from it, I don't want to know what your Quran or other only book said, if you believe in the words then proceed by respecting the rules.

I can see few Muslim coins on the internet, something with sharia law implemented, I've never seen it working, though I may be wrong, but honestly it's not needed, Muslims and Christaind are welcome to invest in Bitcoin if they want, separation is what makes religions a never ending war.
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January 02, 2024, 06:06:44 AM
#81
I don't really like this kind of discussion linking religion with gambling because it might get to a point where we are urging others who are not into gambling yet. They might think it's right to go against their tradition, beliefs, and rules.
Well, in my opinion, it's up to each individual on how strong his/her belief is. It is true that most Catholics and Christians are not that serious about the order of the Bible about gambling, no disrespect to those who still follow them but that is a fact. Muslims on the other hand are strict about this so they are not easily swayed even if there's a chance that they can go away with it using cryptocurrencies. Those who have faith that whatever they do is being seen by their God will still hold themselves and not follow these urges.
Sure, it is an inviting feat because they can take away the traces of gambling but like I said, faith is something that cannot be seen but the truth will still be there if they will gamble. What will be left to them is their conscience that will be more difficult to carry.
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January 02, 2024, 05:45:52 AM
#80

So what do you think about this? Does gambling with crypto mean that laws about gambling being Haram don't apply all the time?
I was thinking that of crypto is earned outside of one's regular job, for example as a reward for activities such as bounties or sweepstakes, then maybe gambling with these earnings insta Haram?

These concepts are interesting to me because most Christian people like me, while having our religion dictate that gambling is a very serious sin, most do it anyway. Basically most christians aren't very pious at all and don't follow religion rules at least in my experience. So using loopholes to circumvent religious rules when your country even endorsed certain casinos isn't needed that much. So it's interesting to observe these differences.

I don't know about the Muslim way of betting since I am a Christian, gambling is inherent in a human being it is hard to stop the urge to gamble and not every Christian is a saint to restrict himself from gambling, so the best Christian can do is to not indulge too much on gambling, too much indulgent will make the hobby into a vice and this is something the Church forbid from his followers.
We have so many Christian sects here in our country so every sect has its interpretations of defining gambling based on their interpretation of what's on the Bible.
but usually goes down to moderation and not spending too much.
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January 02, 2024, 05:42:40 AM
#79
As said by another user earlier, there is a difference between laws set by a country and rules set by a religion, and one shouldn't compare these two or reach a conclusion about a religious rule based on a law within their country. So, a country that doesn't allow gambling might have laws about it that the citizens need to abide by, however, a religion and its rules might be completely different and may match or on some occasions contradict the rules of a country.

What I can say is that one cannot say that it's permissible to gamble with cryptocurrency even if their religion says it's a sin and isn't permissible. Crypto is just like money, the religion will never say that you are not allowed to gamble with a specific currency, but it says that it's not permissible to make a bet and win money from that bet and then use that money for food or whatever.
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January 02, 2024, 02:54:23 AM
#78
It is difficult to link gambling with religion, because the two are contradictory, especially in Islam, the law is absolute, namely haram. So there is no reason whatsoever if gambling, both offline and online, remains haram, whether gambling with crypto or fiat remains haram. Gambling is individual only if it is associated with any religion. I think all religions are against gambling.

Because for a religion, gambling is seen as very destructive and dangerous entertainment. Indeed, gambling has existed in society for centuries and cannot be eliminated because there are still many people who need gambling to try their luck or just have fun. But religion definitely teaches goodness. In my country, where the majority of the population is Muslim, gambling is haram and the government does not legalize gambling, even though many people in my country gamble secretly.
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