I made so much good money investing in the ideas from this thread back in 2015/16/17. Thought I would start a new one for 3rd wave of crypto assets coming out now:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crypto30-digital-asset-sto-dapp-investment-opportunities-5062677
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QUANTUM
Quantum tokens will be issued on the Ethereum network and will be freely traded on an open market.
The amount of tokens issued will be final and based on the amount of funds collected during the presale period. All funds collected from the sale of Quantum tokens will be injected into the liquidity pool and used to provide liquidity on all crypto related markets.
Any income generated from the liquidity pool will be used to buy back tokens at the best possible price available on the market. All tokens that will be bought back by the Quantum project will be sent to a black hole address and will get destroyed forever. The black hole address will be published on this website and will be auditable in real time. This process will decrease the amount of tokens in existence and increase the value of all other tokens still held by token holders.
Quantum tokens will be issued on the Ethereum network and will be freely traded on an open market.
The amount of tokens issued will be final and based on the amount of funds collected during the presale period. All funds collected from the sale of Quantum tokens will be injected into the liquidity pool and used to provide liquidity on all crypto related markets.
Any income generated from the liquidity pool will be used to buy back tokens at the best possible price available on the market. All tokens that will be bought back by the Quantum project will be sent to a black hole address and will get destroyed forever. The black hole address will be published on this website and will be auditable in real time. This process will decrease the amount of tokens in existence and increase the value of all other tokens still held by token holders.
http://cryptofresh.com/a/CADASTRAL
Issued by t-tigi419
http://cryptofresh.com/u/t-tigi419
openledger blacklisted t-tigi419 Jan 15
http://cryptofresh.com/tx/7196c57ee3f7d3e7d979097c3bffb400cf793ff5
http://cryptofresh.com/u/poloniexwallet
http://cryptofresh.com/u/openledger
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http://cryptofresh.com/u/icoo
http://cryptofresh.com/u/ccedk.escrow
http://cryptofresh.com/u/obits
http://cryptofresh.com/u/bts-bitteaser
Issued by t-tigi419
http://cryptofresh.com/u/t-tigi419
openledger blacklisted t-tigi419 Jan 15
http://cryptofresh.com/tx/7196c57ee3f7d3e7d979097c3bffb400cf793ff5
http://cryptofresh.com/u/poloniexwallet
http://cryptofresh.com/u/openledger
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http://cryptofresh.com/u/icoo
http://cryptofresh.com/u/ccedk.escrow
http://cryptofresh.com/u/obits
http://cryptofresh.com/u/bts-bitteaser
Elastic is a Decentralized Supercomputer
http://www.elastic-project.com/
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annxel-elastic-project-the-decentralized-supercomputer-1396233
First brave experimental testers can test the new testnet now. But don't blame me for errors, I have tested the new testnet for 3 hours only so far. Remember to fully (!!!) delete any old versions and do a fresh checkout.
Short guide, but brave testers should already know that: You need JDK 1.8 (set as the standard version) and do a git pull; mvn clean compile package; mvn exec:java; inside the elastic-core directory!
By the way: there is a pseudo-SN active, which will verify everything! But this part is not critical, since the SN update does not require any kind of soft/hard fork.
Later today (or if I burn out, tomorrow or so), the whole package will become more usable, with a real mining software and a working docker image.
What a pain in the ***, the switch to the Supernode-Approach was
Short guide, but brave testers should already know that: You need JDK 1.8 (set as the standard version) and do a git pull; mvn clean compile package; mvn exec:java; inside the elastic-core directory!
By the way: there is a pseudo-SN active, which will verify everything! But this part is not critical, since the SN update does not require any kind of soft/hard fork.
Later today (or if I burn out, tomorrow or so), the whole package will become more usable, with a real mining software and a working docker image.
What a pain in the ***, the switch to the Supernode-Approach was
Is this accurate? Early content creators have all the leverage and they make you lock funds... hmm
even dog turds bounce once they hit rock bottom
Who is TaunSew?
I don't want to lower his self-esteem by giving the characteristics, it's already near floor level.
We're proud to announce that we have finished our airdrop! If you hold at least one of the Counterparty based assets listed below, YOUR WALLET maybe one of the lucky recepients. We divided the 4,600,000 KarmaToken (KTN) Airdrop fund among 9000 wallets and everyone of them received 511 KTN, IF YOU HOLD THESE ASSETS ON CRYPTO EXCHANGES, BE SURE TO ASK THEM TO CREDIT YOUR ACCOUNT! Those KTN are yours!
We will be requesting POLONIEX, BITTREX and BLEUTRADE to list KTN on their exchanges ASAP. You can also do the same personally. BTW If you have installed a Counterparty based APP, like Indiesquare and Book of Orbs, chances are some of them have received the KTN too.
We will be requesting POLONIEX, BITTREX and BLEUTRADE to list KTN on their exchanges ASAP. You can also do the same personally. BTW If you have installed a Counterparty based APP, like Indiesquare and Book of Orbs, chances are some of them have received the KTN too.
At this point we have sent ALL the 4,600,000+ airdrop fund shares of the following Counterparty asset holders:
KARMATOKEN - Lucky 72 wallets, the asset group received a total of 36,792 KTN
CTGTOKENS - Lucky 21 wallets, the asset group received a total of 10,731 KTN
TOKENLY - Lucky 10 wallets, the asset group received a total of 5,110 KTN
PEPECASH -Lucky 661 wallets, the asset group received a total of 337,771 KTN
PROTOXENIUM - Lucky 58 wallets, the asset group received a total of 29,638 KTN
BITCRYSTALS - Lucky 842 wallets, the asset group received a total of 430,262
FLDC - Lucky 1,905 wallets the asset group received a total of 973,455 KTN
SJCX - Lucky 3164 wallets the asset group received a total of 1,616,804 KTN
LTBC- Lucky 2264 wallets the asset group received a total of 1,158,948 KTN
As much as possible, we avoided sending 511 to the same address holding multiple assets listed above. We are happily human 
Congratulations once again. You now have the tokens of goodwill ambassadors! Welcome to the Good Karma Society.
Our Indiesquare wallet installation PROMO is still going on for another 100 KTN.
Congratulations once again. You now have the tokens of goodwill ambassadors! Welcome to the Good Karma Society.
Our Indiesquare wallet installation PROMO is still going on for another 100 KTN.
I remember buying this at 2 sats. any chance of another pump
Since 2009 when original bitcoin QT was released there's been very few coins/assets released using a new code base. We all know this, despite there being +500 coins and assets, the number of unigue ones can be counted on two hands. Qora is one of those, and by a long way it's the most obscure and undervalued one. Qora could still go to zero, but as long as the network and blockchain stay viable, it can come back, it's existence is a major hedge against discovering bugs and other fatal flaws in the other objectively unique crypto coins. Qora is THE best investment based on risk and return, coz it's original code and ridiculously cheap.
Bitcoin based
Cryptonote based (monero)
NXT based
NEM
Bitshares
Ethereum
eMunie (not launched)
Ripple (XRP)
Sia
zCash
IOTA
Qora
There might be a few more, but once you take away all the ones based on bitcoin, or built on top of bitcoin ( counterparty, omni), we're left with an incredibly small number of unique coins. Total crypto marketcap is ~15B USD, if a bug was ever found in BTC, or it failed for another reason, one of two things would happen. Either the bulk of the crypto marketcap would be destroyed, or it would move to other coins. If it moved where would all that value go? I think Qora would be high on the list of safe havens as it's completely unrelated to bitcoin, been going for over 2 years, and is 100% decentralised.
Edit, zCash and bitshares are based on bitcoin, but have unique features too. Unknown if they could survive if a bug was found in bitcoin
the proyect of Maidsafe is a bit more complicate than Burstcoin or Storjcoin.
Maidsafe born from a problem to storage datain the years to came.
quote from the whitepaper hosted on git, you can have a look at here
https://github.com/maidsafe/Whitepapers/blob/master/Project-Safe.md.
So the point of SAFE is way to store information in in a p2p network, this mind the network will need a kind of reward for the people is using and lending resources to the network.
maidsafecoin was created afterwards as a way to reward the "miners" if you can call in that way.
but is not a cryptocurrency as Bitcoin. because the rewards are given in a totally different way.
quote again from the white paper.
Burst coin have a totally different approach:
Burst uses a new algorithm for proof of hdd capacity (POC) mining. Miners pre-generate chunks of data known as 'plots' which are then saved to disk. The number of plots you store is effectively your mining speed. Every block the miner will skim through the saved plots, and come up with an amount of time until it is able to mine a block if another block hasn't yet been found. After reading through the plots is complete, your hardware can idle until the newest block.
in another words. Burst coin and MADSAFE have one big problem since the SSD pay a big toll to mine this kind of coins.
My advice earn bitcoin doing micro-tasks or wherever you gonna waste 500$ on ssd and you will mine 75$ dollars worth of it
N3rvi0zz0
Maidsafe born from a problem to storage datain the years to came.
quote from the whitepaper hosted on git, you can have a look at here
https://github.com/maidsafe/Whitepapers/blob/master/Project-Safe.md.
Quote
Existing Internet infrastructure is increasingly unable to cope with the demands placed on it by over 2.4 billion connected people, a number that is predicted to grow to 3.6 billion by 2017. Today's architecture, where central intermediaries (servers) store and provide access to data is expensive and inefficient. Datacenters use between 1.1% and 1.5% of the world's electricity (growing at 60% per annum) and represent significant expenditure for datacentre owners, providers and businesses, who all have to pay to host user data and maintain the infrastructure. Security of user data has proven to be nearly impossible in today's networks with almost weekly reports of ID and password thefts.
To overcome these challenges a fresh approach is required, a solution that removes these inordinately expensive central points of failure, data leakage and bottlenecks. By developing a fully decentralized replacement for all Internet based services, Secure Access For Everyone (SAFE) will ensure the decentralized Internet is a reality
To overcome these challenges a fresh approach is required, a solution that removes these inordinately expensive central points of failure, data leakage and bottlenecks. By developing a fully decentralized replacement for all Internet based services, Secure Access For Everyone (SAFE) will ensure the decentralized Internet is a reality
So the point of SAFE is way to store information in in a p2p network, this mind the network will need a kind of reward for the people is using and lending resources to the network.
maidsafecoin was created afterwards as a way to reward the "miners" if you can call in that way.
but is not a cryptocurrency as Bitcoin. because the rewards are given in a totally different way.
quote again from the white paper.
Quote
The SAFE network can validate nodes and their value to the network in a very accurate and cryptographically secure manner. The SAFE project will use this to create a proof of resource (see Appendix) which has some significant advantages. The resource in question is a computer's ability to store data chunks, which depends on CPU speed, bandwidth, disk space and on-line time, amongst others. This allows the proof to be a useful, measurable and an immediately verifiable entity. Proof of resource is a very efficient mechanism as its cost is very minimal.
Burst coin have a totally different approach:
Burst uses a new algorithm for proof of hdd capacity (POC) mining. Miners pre-generate chunks of data known as 'plots' which are then saved to disk. The number of plots you store is effectively your mining speed. Every block the miner will skim through the saved plots, and come up with an amount of time until it is able to mine a block if another block hasn't yet been found. After reading through the plots is complete, your hardware can idle until the newest block.
in another words. Burst coin and MADSAFE have one big problem since the SSD pay a big toll to mine this kind of coins.
My advice earn bitcoin doing micro-tasks or wherever you gonna waste 500$ on ssd and you will mine 75$ dollars worth of it
N3rvi0zz0
I dont know what this is but i think Jean-Luc is not JL777
Not me but a guy named "Marty jones" @reddit posted this,
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I'm open to a change of opinion, but have yet to find convincing evidence that Factom offers features that can't be accomplished solely with the Bitcoin blockchain, for only the cost of a Bitcoin transaction. This subreddit has a number of true believers who follow the company closely, so maybe one of you could show me what, if anything, I'm missing about Factom and why exactly the company demanded a +$20m valuation in it's most recent funding round.
Issues with Factom:
Stuffing a bunch of hashes of data into a merkle tree and outputting it on the Bitcoin blockchain is already possible today using OP_RETURN. Solutions such as Open Timestamps and Tierion already exist to this end; one of which is free.
32 federated servers and 32 audit servers using Proof of Authority to secure data entries will offer materially less security than the Bitcoin blockchain. Factom "chains" will be secured against tampering by no more than a few dozen servers at any time. Tamper prevention and reliably timestamped data entries are presumably the main goals of Factom's targeted customers; yet Factom adds nothing to those ends over what you get from using the Bitcoin blockchain.
The business model has no "moat" against competition. If it costs a customer 1/10th of a penny to make an entry using Factom, and the product is useful for some reason I've failed to see, a competitor will bring to the market a solution that costs 1/11th of a penny. A fierce competitor will elect not 32, but 33 servers to the federation, thereby "decentralizing" the product even further.
EDIT: I'm impressed with how quickly those in this thread stopped responding to my actual arguments in order to accuse me of trolling and market manipulation. Confirmation bias is strong in this community.
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I wont copy and paste what all people replyed, ill leave that to them.
A good project will have haters/doubters but this topic should bring more clarification about FCT.
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I'm open to a change of opinion, but have yet to find convincing evidence that Factom offers features that can't be accomplished solely with the Bitcoin blockchain, for only the cost of a Bitcoin transaction. This subreddit has a number of true believers who follow the company closely, so maybe one of you could show me what, if anything, I'm missing about Factom and why exactly the company demanded a +$20m valuation in it's most recent funding round.
Issues with Factom:
Stuffing a bunch of hashes of data into a merkle tree and outputting it on the Bitcoin blockchain is already possible today using OP_RETURN. Solutions such as Open Timestamps and Tierion already exist to this end; one of which is free.
32 federated servers and 32 audit servers using Proof of Authority to secure data entries will offer materially less security than the Bitcoin blockchain. Factom "chains" will be secured against tampering by no more than a few dozen servers at any time. Tamper prevention and reliably timestamped data entries are presumably the main goals of Factom's targeted customers; yet Factom adds nothing to those ends over what you get from using the Bitcoin blockchain.
The business model has no "moat" against competition. If it costs a customer 1/10th of a penny to make an entry using Factom, and the product is useful for some reason I've failed to see, a competitor will bring to the market a solution that costs 1/11th of a penny. A fierce competitor will elect not 32, but 33 servers to the federation, thereby "decentralizing" the product even further.
EDIT: I'm impressed with how quickly those in this thread stopped responding to my actual arguments in order to accuse me of trolling and market manipulation. Confirmation bias is strong in this community.
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I wont copy and paste what all people replyed, ill leave that to them.
A good project will have haters/doubters but this topic should bring more clarification about FCT.
The Ardor snapshot phase is over and the Ardor assets (ARDR) have been distributed. The amount of NXT in an account no longer influences the number of real ARDR forging tokens it will receive once the Ardor network goes live. Watching the price of NXT fall these last few months should give a good hint to everyone – there is no longer any reason to hold NXT. Ardor and its child chains are the future. Make way!
https://nxter.org/does-ardor-mean-the-death-of-nxt/
. Nxt will still be maintained
The core development team has promised to support Nxt for at least one year after the release of Ardor. We are talking about software that will be actively maintained until at least the end of 2018. And after that, motivated developers may still adopt the project and maintain it.
Even if new features probably won’t be added, the software is still functional and has proven itself trustworthy during these last three years. Some assets and coins will move to the Ardor platform but others will still use the Nxt 1.0 platform.
Many altcoins are not developed anymore or do not have major updates but are still trading actively.
https://nxter.org/does-ardor-mean-the-death-of-nxt/
. Nxt will still be maintained
The core development team has promised to support Nxt for at least one year after the release of Ardor. We are talking about software that will be actively maintained until at least the end of 2018. And after that, motivated developers may still adopt the project and maintain it.
Even if new features probably won’t be added, the software is still functional and has proven itself trustworthy during these last three years. Some assets and coins will move to the Ardor platform but others will still use the Nxt 1.0 platform.
Many altcoins are not developed anymore or do not have major updates but are still trading actively.
ARK ... crypti bts lsk coppy
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ark-dpos-ark-protokol-marketsquare-ipfs-staking-on-binance-1649695
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ark-dpos-ark-protokol-marketsquare-ipfs-staking-on-binance-1649695
Here is the compare sheet:
edit:
shadowcoin has no mobile wallet, this will be set to no in the next release.
edit:
shadowcoin has no mobile wallet, this will be set to no in the next release.
Has someone additional infos?
does anybody know:
- how much costs a transaction in dash trough a master node?
- Transactionfees of monero, zcash, darknote and navcoin?
- ICO or IPO missing?
- I think navcoin is some kind of mixing, but i am not shure!
HOLY
#bitcoin #dogecoin #litecoin #peercoin and #dash
#bitcoin #dogecoin #litecoin #peercoin and #dash
coinprism still around
I'm not one of the core-team, I just help with the community-communication.
But it's true, it is a very skilled team. They have experts for all important areas:
https://lykke.com/leadership.php
And it's also true that their goal may seem ambitious, but I'll give you some informations that may put things into perspective:
Richard Olsen (the CEO of Lykke) is the Co-founder and former CEO of Oanda: https://www.oanda.com
Oanda is a forex-trading platform:
"OANDA is an outgrowth of the Swiss Olsen Group and was created to serve as an internet trading platform to automate techniques based on the group's research in foreign exchange trading.[3] Much of OANDA's technology is based on algorithms published in the book High Frequency Finance,[4] which was co-authored by Dr. Richard Olsen, a principal of OANDA and co-inventor of these algorithms."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oanda_Corporation
What I want to say with that is: Lykke won't be just a Crypto-exchange like Poloniex. It can be seen more like a bridge or a door between both worlds, and when it comes to Crypto it won't most likely be that much about smaller Crypto-currencies like they are listed on Polo, Bittrex or other Multi-Currency-exchanges, but more about colored coins - digital assets (but also about forex-trading).
Richard Olsen gave a very insightful interview what Lykke will be about here:
The Future Of Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmZBtKL7ZcM
And if you count that all together, it could very well be that Lykke will be like Oanda on the one side (established financial system) and about digital assets on the blockchain.
And what I believe is really huge potential:
- more secure than usual exchanges because semi-decentralized
- very userfriendly
Those two points are key-aspects in my opinion. Because everybody, if already in Crypto or not, is on the search for "feeling safe" and "I'm able to handle it". Both is still missing for a lot of people while the combination of both is pretty invincible. And there already is proof that they are able to build that. It is an already working product and I have no doubt that they will continue with fast progress and improvements on all fronts.
http://lykke.world/
Example of a colored coin:
1 Lykke USD colored coin is a commitment to pay 1 USD within one business day.
Lykke issues colored coins for USD, EUR, JPY, GBP, CHF, Lykke shares and other assets as specified in the Appendix.
The time period for the payment begins with the remittance of the coin to Lykke and the request for delivery.
Tempus
"* 1 billion USD average daily volume (Q4 2017) "
Pretty ambitious !!! You have a great team I see that but this figure seems huge for crypto.
"* 1 billion USD average daily volume (Q4 2017) "
Pretty ambitious !!! You have a great team I see that but this figure seems huge for crypto.
I'm not one of the core-team, I just help with the community-communication.
But it's true, it is a very skilled team. They have experts for all important areas:
https://lykke.com/leadership.php
And it's also true that their goal may seem ambitious, but I'll give you some informations that may put things into perspective:
Richard Olsen (the CEO of Lykke) is the Co-founder and former CEO of Oanda: https://www.oanda.com
Oanda is a forex-trading platform:
"OANDA is an outgrowth of the Swiss Olsen Group and was created to serve as an internet trading platform to automate techniques based on the group's research in foreign exchange trading.[3] Much of OANDA's technology is based on algorithms published in the book High Frequency Finance,[4] which was co-authored by Dr. Richard Olsen, a principal of OANDA and co-inventor of these algorithms."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oanda_Corporation
What I want to say with that is: Lykke won't be just a Crypto-exchange like Poloniex. It can be seen more like a bridge or a door between both worlds, and when it comes to Crypto it won't most likely be that much about smaller Crypto-currencies like they are listed on Polo, Bittrex or other Multi-Currency-exchanges, but more about colored coins - digital assets (but also about forex-trading).
Richard Olsen gave a very insightful interview what Lykke will be about here:
The Future Of Currency
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmZBtKL7ZcM
And if you count that all together, it could very well be that Lykke will be like Oanda on the one side (established financial system) and about digital assets on the blockchain.
And what I believe is really huge potential:
- more secure than usual exchanges because semi-decentralized
- very userfriendly
Those two points are key-aspects in my opinion. Because everybody, if already in Crypto or not, is on the search for "feeling safe" and "I'm able to handle it". Both is still missing for a lot of people while the combination of both is pretty invincible. And there already is proof that they are able to build that. It is an already working product and I have no doubt that they will continue with fast progress and improvements on all fronts.
http://lykke.world/
Example of a colored coin:
1 Lykke USD colored coin is a commitment to pay 1 USD within one business day.
Lykke issues colored coins for USD, EUR, JPY, GBP, CHF, Lykke shares and other assets as specified in the Appendix.
The time period for the payment begins with the remittance of the coin to Lykke and the request for delivery.
Steemit launched a few months ago. Steemit is something like "blockchain Medium/Reddit" where you can make money for posting and voting. Before it launched, I read the paper and felt like it was way too top-heavy. It's already seen a hype cycle come and go [its market cap went from months of $10-20m to $400m and is now back to $90m], but it actually has decent traction within the crypto community. That's a small community, but it's also the low hanging fruit. Other platforms won't necessarily find it as easy to pick up their first users. The product is good about abstracting away the fact that it's built on a blockchain.
Akasha will be on Ethereum (the others have their own blockchains), but will require both an Ethereum and an IPFS node for users. That puts a very low ceiling on Akasha's possible user base. However, presumably it should get much of the Ethereum community. It seems like they're trying to do "blockchain Facebook" but they're still at least a few months away from launching a product.
Synereo has the biggest tech vision. They have some serious technologists on Synereo who are working on Casper. Yet, they're launching their own social network as the first app to utilize their blockchain. The upside is that it seems to build in some of Steemit's "you get paid," which can be a good hook to get users. Downside: the crowdsale is complicated. It's also not clear that a product like a social media is the logical first product for a blockchain: social media tends to be binary (success or failure).
Decent has a crowdsale about to launch (has probably launched by the time you read this). I've read the Decent white paper and perused their site. It took awhile for me to realize that this is decentralized iTunes. Maybe that speaks to me, maybe it speaks to poor marketing on their part. They also botched their first crowdsale attempt - not a good sign. In general, decentralized iTunes seems hard to me. Apple could build a two-sided marketplace because it had the users/buyers from the iPod. They also had the ability to cut deals with content providers (record labels). Decent has neither.
Overall: thinking about these projects has made me feel like their commercial viability is not close. That fits my investing thesis. However, Steemit's relative success despite being so top-heavy might point to the fact that a good "hook" to get users onto the site can get the network effects necessary to make one of these projects take off.
http://us14.campaign-archive2.com/?u=4c6ec57a148e890524b6ac91f&id=4e2e1d9a87&e=41430cdddb
[email protected]
Akasha will be on Ethereum (the others have their own blockchains), but will require both an Ethereum and an IPFS node for users. That puts a very low ceiling on Akasha's possible user base. However, presumably it should get much of the Ethereum community. It seems like they're trying to do "blockchain Facebook" but they're still at least a few months away from launching a product.
Synereo has the biggest tech vision. They have some serious technologists on Synereo who are working on Casper. Yet, they're launching their own social network as the first app to utilize their blockchain. The upside is that it seems to build in some of Steemit's "you get paid," which can be a good hook to get users. Downside: the crowdsale is complicated. It's also not clear that a product like a social media is the logical first product for a blockchain: social media tends to be binary (success or failure).
Decent has a crowdsale about to launch (has probably launched by the time you read this). I've read the Decent white paper and perused their site. It took awhile for me to realize that this is decentralized iTunes. Maybe that speaks to me, maybe it speaks to poor marketing on their part. They also botched their first crowdsale attempt - not a good sign. In general, decentralized iTunes seems hard to me. Apple could build a two-sided marketplace because it had the users/buyers from the iPod. They also had the ability to cut deals with content providers (record labels). Decent has neither.
Overall: thinking about these projects has made me feel like their commercial viability is not close. That fits my investing thesis. However, Steemit's relative success despite being so top-heavy might point to the fact that a good "hook" to get users onto the site can get the network effects necessary to make one of these projects take off.
http://us14.campaign-archive2.com/?u=4c6ec57a148e890524b6ac91f&id=4e2e1d9a87&e=41430cdddb
[email protected]
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