Pages:
Author

Topic: Cryptocurrency exchange volume: More fake than real? (Read 745 times)

legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 1882
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Haven't seen this posted here so just wanted to share.

Recently The Tie released their findings of a study on the extent of volume manipulation by cryptocurrency exchanges. To no one's surprise, they found extensive manipulation amongst many cryptocurrency exchanges.

Quote
In total we estimated that 87% of exchanges reported trading volume was potentially suspicious and that 75% of exchanges had some form of suspicious activity occurring on them.

Link to Tweet: https://twitter.com/TheTIEIO/status/1107671178423033858
Single thread for ease of viewing: https://threader.app/thread/1107671178423033858

The Blockchain Transparency Institute also publishes a list of exchanges that are suspected of inflating their trading volumes. Since different methodologies and samples were used, different results should be expected. But just for fun, how do their results compare against those of The Tie's? We used The Tie's "Low Potential Fake Volume" exchanges and compared them to Blockchain Transparency Institute's latest reports and this is what resulted.

Our lay man's conclusion: Pretty close match if you ask us.


Legend

The Tie
1. tick = a Low Potential Fake Volume exchange

BTI
1. tick = not on the exchange advisory list ie. not suspected of manipulating volume.
2. cross = on the exchange advisory list ie. suspected of manipulating volume.
3. blacked out = not covered by BTI research.

It is not that it is more false than real, what happens is that each Exchange handles its own volume, they do not have the consolidated volume, and in fact the actual volume almost by many Exchanges is not very well displayed.

To analyze the volume well, it is necessary to have the consolidated and still does not exist, there are still missing tools or pages where the contents of localbitcoins and some Exchanges that are Koreans, since these volumes do not have enough analysis of the market as such, because There is a lack of information, and each Exchange manages the volume of each one, which always guides me is Bitfinex, since that is where all the major movements take place, but nevertheless, it is necessary to review the volumes of all the most important Exchanges, for have a much more complete analysis.
jr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 1
This is not longer a new thing and I'm not surprised. You're not the first person to post this here, I have seen someone post something that is similar to this after they have conducted a research and found out that majority of the exchanges are using fake volumes to operate, I can't really remember where exactly in this forum I saw that post.

And they do all these just to deceive people and make them feel they are big exchange, but the truth is that they are not, most of them are wacks. Only bigger exchanges just like that of Binance are the ones that don't really do that, based on their research. So I'm not really surprised seeing this one too.
Yes, this is no longer a new information for traders and investors, exchanges always provide a fake trading volume to attract and advertise, there are not too many exceptions, large or small exchanges, more or less, they always create this fake information. However, people probably don't care too much about this because they know what is good for them, they know how to exchange prestige, they don't care about real or fake, they only care about the profit and what that exchange can bring to them
hero member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 527
This is not longer a new thing and I'm not surprised. You're not the first person to post this here, I have seen someone post something that is similar to this after they have conducted a research and found out that majority of the exchanges are using fake volumes to operate, I can't really remember where exactly in this forum I saw that post.

And they do all these just to deceive people and make them feel they are big exchange, but the truth is that they are not, most of them are wacks. Only bigger exchanges just like that of Binance are the ones that don't really do that, based on their research. So I'm not really surprised seeing this one too.
hero member
Activity: 2646
Merit: 582
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
It's fairly uninteresting, IMO.

Sure, you can get some useful information at a glance, but there are a couple of fields which are either not useful, or quite misleading. For example, the suspicious volume reports are based on their previous findings, which as I've already explained are based on using fairly shaky methodology. Also, having a "Formal Market Manipulation Policy" doesn't mean very much if you choose not to follow it and manipulate the market and insider trade anyway (e.g. Coinbase). I wouldn't use it to choose an exchange, as it ranks exchanges like Coinbase and Bitfinex amongst the best, and I wouldn't trust either of those to hold any of my money or details, ever.

Thanks for the reply. Agreed that both Coinbase + Bitfinex shouldn't be amongst the best.

So just wondering, which source(s) do you use to help you decide on what exchanges to use? Haven't managed to find any good sources.

Thanks.
I agree that there might be some exchanges that would not be great and would be using fake reviews and trading volumes but there is really nothing to worry about because you get to know about an exchange that is not great and is actually making use of maybe fake trading volumes to attract users. Always go for the best exchange and i think Binance despite witnessing a bad hack is still the bests out there. Bittrex used to be the best.
hero member
Activity: 2702
Merit: 510
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Yes you are right in this situation we are very confused to pick the right exchanges to exchange our investment but in most of the time when you people cannot choose the right one in sometimes for that day experience will play an important role about picking the right one for their exchanges.
It is not tough to detect the fake volume on the small exchange. The giant exchanges like Bitfinex, Bitstamp can use the automated bots for increasing the trading activity and this will help them to push up on coin marketcap listing sites. Fake volumes can attract more investors to the exchanges but it will explode sooner and slower.
I have seen bots already used in binance exchange but i rarely seen that used in bitfinex or bitstamp. Basically, the trading will create noise and increase the volume and sometimes there was someone that used two accounts to create fake sell and buy order in the market. How can you accurately determine the fake volume will destroy the exchange site itself? Just curious about that. Even the institutional looks so difficult to create audit about that
member
Activity: 572
Merit: 10
That's true. There were many situations when some shit coins had large volumes, which came out of nowhere. Therefore, we must be more careful and pay attention to other factors when buying a coin.
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1028
Duelbits.com
Yes you are right in this situation we are very confused to pick the right exchanges to exchange our investment but in most of the time when you people cannot choose the right one in sometimes for that day experience will play an important role about picking the right one for their exchanges.
It is not tough to detect the fake volume on the small exchange. The giant exchanges like Bitfinex, Bitstamp can use the automated bots for increasing the trading activity and this will help them to push up on coin marketcap listing sites. Fake volumes can attract more investors to the exchanges but it will explode sooner and slower.
hero member
Activity: 2870
Merit: 574
Vave.com - Crypto Casino
It is a known fact most of the information we found on site like coinmarket are not accurate and even the prices too so it is always better to check the trading volume by entering into their trading chart.
Yeah, that is what we should do if we want to know more about the coin moves so we can decide to trade or not.
Maybe the cryptocurrency exchange gives a fake volume but maybe after we check their trading volume in the order position, we could know more details.
But even if that is fake, if we don't use the data to analyze, then we will not get a fake analysis because we only use the data on the trading chart only to see the movements of the coin.
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1179
For who already know maybe can see it is fake volume or not. Because from some traders that i know which is my friends, they always know when a market have fake volume to attract traders or which one is not.
It's not that hard to be honest. It just requires you to know what to look for. I always check the exchange's web ranking and the traffic it generates, then put that against the volumes they report.

Additionally you can look at the volume bars and put these against the volume bars of exchanges such as Coinbase and Bitstamp. If they follow a similar path, then it's most likely an exchange that doesn't inflate its volumes.

Coinbene for example, a notorious volume cheater, they consistently generate the same volume bars, even when exchanges such as Coinbase see their own volumes decrease without anything going on in the market.
legendary
Activity: 2716
Merit: 1092
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Yes you are right in this situation we are very confused to pick the right exchanges to exchange our investment but in most of the time when you people cannot choose the right one in sometimes for that day experience will play an important role about picking the right one for their exchanges.
For who already know maybe can see it is fake volume or not. Because from some traders that i know which is my friends, they always know when a market have fake volume to attract traders or which one is not.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 502
Yes you are right in this situation we are very confused to pick the right exchanges to exchange our investment but in most of the time when you people cannot choose the right one in sometimes for that day experience will play an important role about picking the right one for their exchanges.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18711
So just wondering, which source(s) do you use to help you decide on what exchanges to use? Haven't managed to find any good sources.
I'm not the right person to be asking, I'm afraid. I am extremely careful with my personal data, and so I refuse to perform KYC procedures pretty much anywhere. I have an unverified account on one exchange, but I couldn't tell you the last time I actually used it. Outside of that, I do the majority of my buying and selling peer-to-peer using platforms like localbitcoins or people I know personally.

If I was going to be picking an exchange, I'd primarily be looking on here and reddit to see how responsive they are to their customers' concerns, and what other real users (not paid for ads or articles) thought about them.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 214
WhoTookMyCrypto.com
It's fairly uninteresting, IMO.

Sure, you can get some useful information at a glance, but there are a couple of fields which are either not useful, or quite misleading. For example, the suspicious volume reports are based on their previous findings, which as I've already explained are based on using fairly shaky methodology. Also, having a "Formal Market Manipulation Policy" doesn't mean very much if you choose not to follow it and manipulate the market and insider trade anyway (e.g. Coinbase). I wouldn't use it to choose an exchange, as it ranks exchanges like Coinbase and Bitfinex amongst the best, and I wouldn't trust either of those to hold any of my money or details, ever.

Thanks for the reply. Agreed that both Coinbase + Bitfinex shouldn't be amongst the best.

So just wondering, which source(s) do you use to help you decide on what exchanges to use? Haven't managed to find any good sources.

Thanks.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18711
It's fairly uninteresting, IMO.

Sure, you can get some useful information at a glance, but there are a couple of fields which are either not useful, or quite misleading. For example, the suspicious volume reports are based on their previous findings, which as I've already explained are based on using fairly shaky methodology. Also, having a "Formal Market Manipulation Policy" doesn't mean very much if you choose not to follow it and manipulate the market and insider trade anyway (e.g. Coinbase). I wouldn't use it to choose an exchange, as it ranks exchanges like Coinbase and Bitfinex amongst the best, and I wouldn't trust either of those to hold any of my money or details, ever.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 214
WhoTookMyCrypto.com
I addressed this report in another thread about it, which you can read here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50243331

Essentially, their methodology is deeply flawed. They took an average trade volume and multiplied that against the average number of site visits, and claimed that that is each exchanges' true volume. This is a completely made up and meaningless equation, which is evidenced by their hilariously enormous spread of results - anything from 0.15% to 1300%.

Yes, a lot of exchanges report fake volume to make themselves seem bigger and more significant than they are, but we can't draw any conclusions from a report with such poor logic.

Hey @o_e_l_e_o, the same guys came up with a rating system for exchanges.

https://thetie.io/data-transparency/exchanges
Compilation of their tweet: https://threader.app/thread/1126849741848027136

Given how their methodology was deeply flawed for measuring trading volume, wondering what your thoughts are on their rating system?

Thank you.
legendary
Activity: 3122
Merit: 1140
I do not think it is fake for all the God's sake.

Do you know that couple of decades ago, the digital market was not even known to anyone but few out there. Today, its value is more than 3 trillion US dollar and the contribution of cryptocurrency is more than $140 billion which gives a very nice message that the market cap is not a joke because you could easily see the coins around being demanded and traded. So, better invest rather than doubt on this recovery phase. Because time is running out to catch the train from the beginning point itself.

Moreover, I just see these types of discussions are just the FUDs to collapse the confident among new investors in crypto space as these kind of things are not having any proof to catch those exchanges while manipulating their volumes and price levels.
If you are talking on the entire cap then its real yet those numbers do indicates that there is really a heavy demand towards cryptocurrency.

The thing we are talking here is about Exchange volumes which are fake or real ones.My answer is, that its both yet manipulation and faking volumes is
part of their plans where higher volume do attracts new traders and those things are facts.
hero member
Activity: 1148
Merit: 528
I do not think it is fake for all the God's sake.

Do you know that couple of decades ago, the digital market was not even known to anyone but few out there. Today, its value is more than 3 trillion US dollar and the contribution of cryptocurrency is more than $140 billion which gives a very nice message that the market cap is not a joke because you could easily see the coins around being demanded and traded. So, better invest rather than doubt on this recovery phase. Because time is running out to catch the train from the beginning point itself.

Moreover, I just see these types of discussions are just the FUDs to collapse the confident among new investors in crypto space as these kind of things are not having any proof to catch those exchanges while manipulating their volumes and price levels.
hero member
Activity: 840
Merit: 516
It is a known fact most of the information we found on site like coinmarket are not accurate and even the prices too so it is always better to check the trading volume by entering into their trading chart.
In my opinion, all the crypto enthusiasts are here in the market for making money and regardless of what many people in the market and many websites in the virtual market may tell you to do, you should always have your own strategy.

This is very important and I think that every men who became millionaire in the crypto has had the same fake news going on around him but they have made it so I think it should not bother you. This is basically a trustless system as per Satoshi's view hence we do not need to believe into what exchanges are showing or stating. We just need to be careful by not making decisions by what exchanges are showing, as that is the basics of being secured in this decentralized environment.
member
Activity: 1204
Merit: 38
Probably the fake are more higher number in this situation more than the good exchanges but we don't have any other option to to face them properly we need to ignore some of the bad exchanges like we cannot know what will going on here at the time waiting will always helpful you to make the right decision properly.
full member
Activity: 882
Merit: 126
★777Coin.com★ Fun BTC Casino!
It is a known fact most of the information we found on site like coinmarket are not accurate and even the prices too so it is always better to check the trading volume by entering into their trading chart.
Pages:
Jump to: